Lilly recovering from arthroscopic surgery

[CUBZ99]

http://muskat.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/11/114_ted_lilly_has_arthroscopic.html?partnerId=rss_chc

 

Didn't see this anywhere. Looks like Lilly will be out for at least the first part of the year. Maybe this means Hendry will try to hang onto Harden.

[C.C.]

Why wasn't it done right after the season?

 

Maybe they have to wait for the swelling to do down. Or something like that.

[NCCubFan]

According to the article he'll likely be back in the rotation by sometime in April, so it may not be much of a big deal. Maybe they'll just skip the 5th spot the first time or two through the rotation.

[UMFan83]

According to the article he'll likely be back in the rotation by sometime in April, so it may not be much of a big deal. Maybe they'll just skip the 5th spot the first time or two through the rotation.

 

Yeah but who really knows...with all the misinformation that comes from the Cubs, who knows if he'll have a setback or it will take longer than expected. Not trying to go all glass half empty, but I think the Cubs have to prepare for the possibility. Alas, they'll probably just throw Smarshall in the rotation.

[Pushfrog98]

do they mean April 2010 or 2011? Every time a Cubs pitcher has shoulder surgery, it seems to take 2-3x longer to recover than what they initially say.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I really feel like this is something that should've been done at the end of the year. If we knew surgery was an option, he should've been shut down early. Now he's going to miss at least the first few weeks of the regular season while missing all of spring training? Great.

[Guest]

I really feel like this is something that should've been done at the end of the year. If we knew surgery was an option, he should've been shut down early. Now he's going to miss at least the first few weeks of the regular season while missing all of spring training? Great.

 

They went with rest for a few weeks to see if that's all he needed and then opted for surgery.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Knowing this, Id feel much more comfortable aquiring an established starter, and if the Braves woukd take Bradley, Id love to find a way to work out a deal for Lowe or Vazquez. Otherwise, a rotation of Z, Demp. Wells, and 2 or Gorz/Shark/Marshall does not sit well with me, even for a short time.

[17 Seconds]

wow. i'm so glad they used him for those meaningless starts at the end of the season

[Mark Priors Calves]

meh.

[Cubswin11]

I am really looking forward to not offering Harden arbitration and getting 20+ starts from 2 of Marshall/Gorz/Shark...

[Old Style]

It's beginning early. It's not even 2010 and the team is already starting to fall apart.

[Old Style]

It's beginning early. It's not even 2010 and the team is already starting to fall apart.

[jersey cubs fan]

Samardzija is going to get a job by default.

[Sammy Sofa]

I am really looking forward to not offering Harden arbitration and getting 20+ starts from 2 of Marshall/Gorz/Shark...

 

Shark definitely needs work but Marshall and Gorzelanny getting starts aren't necessarily bad things.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I am really looking forward to not offering Harden arbitration and getting 20+ starts from 2 of Marshall/Gorz/Shark...

 

Shark definitely needs work but Marshall and Gorzelanny getting starts aren't necessarily bad things.

 

Id be fine with either Marshall or Gorz as a 5th starter, but Wells/Marshall/Gorz as 3/4/5 doesnt exactly make for a steller pitching staff.

[Sammy Sofa]

I am really looking forward to not offering Harden arbitration and getting 20+ starts from 2 of Marshall/Gorz/Shark...

 

Shark definitely needs work but Marshall and Gorzelanny getting starts aren't necessarily bad things.

 

Id be fine with either Marshall or Gorz as a 5th starter, but Wells/Marshall/Gorz as 3/4/5 doesnt exactly make for a steller pitching staff.

 

Uh, of course not. When does using backups ever make for a stellar pitching staff? The Cubs are hopefully in the situation where using the backups is tolerable as opposed to "well, now we're fucked."

[Little Slide Rooter]

I am really looking forward to not offering Harden arbitration and getting 20+ starts from 2 of Marshall/Gorz/Shark...

 

Shark definitely needs work but Marshall and Gorzelanny getting starts aren't necessarily bad things.

 

Id be fine with either Marshall or Gorz as a 5th starter, but Wells/Marshall/Gorz as 3/4/5 doesnt exactly make for a steller pitching staff.

 

Uh, of course not. When does using backups ever make for a stellar pitching staff? The Cubs are hopefully in the situation where using the backups is tolerable as opposed to "well, now we're [expletive]."

 

Im just saying, Id be a lot more comfortable if we found a way to aquire another starter one way or another.

[jersey cubs fan]

I am really looking forward to not offering Harden arbitration and getting 20+ starts from 2 of Marshall/Gorz/Shark...

 

Shark definitely needs work but Marshall and Gorzelanny getting starts aren't necessarily bad things.

 

Id be fine with either Marshall or Gorz as a 5th starter, but Wells/Marshall/Gorz as 3/4/5 doesnt exactly make for a steller pitching staff.

 

Uh, of course not. When does using backups ever make for a stellar pitching staff? The Cubs are hopefully in the situation where using the backups is tolerable as opposed to "well, now we're [expletive]."

 

Right, but as a team that seemingly can't wait to let Harden go, and who has to hope for everything to go right with an injury to a 30-something pitcher for him to pitch in April, it's not like they are just going to be using these guys as backups. Guys are going to get lots of starts who should otherwise probably be 6th starters.

[Sammy Sofa]

I am really looking forward to not offering Harden arbitration and getting 20+ starts from 2 of Marshall/Gorz/Shark...

 

Shark definitely needs work but Marshall and Gorzelanny getting starts aren't necessarily bad things.

 

Id be fine with either Marshall or Gorz as a 5th starter, but Wells/Marshall/Gorz as 3/4/5 doesnt exactly make for a steller pitching staff.

 

Uh, of course not. When does using backups ever make for a stellar pitching staff? The Cubs are hopefully in the situation where using the backups is tolerable as opposed to "well, now we're [expletive]."

 

Right, but as a team that seemingly can't wait to let Harden go, and who has to hope for everything to go right with an injury to a 30-something pitcher for him to pitch in April, it's not like they are just going to be using these guys as backups. Guys are going to get lots of starts who should otherwise probably be 6th starters.

 

Not even trying to keep Harden was already stupid before Lilly got sliced. It's not like I'm saying it's some great thing these guys are getting more starts: it's, relatively speaking, seemingly better than the options they've often had in similar situations in the past.

[jersey cubs fan]

Not even trying to keep Harden was already stupid before Lilly got sliced. It's not like I'm saying it's some great thing these guys are getting more starts: it's, relatively speaking, seemingly better than the options they've often had in similar situations in the past.

 

Last year's option was Samardzija, Marshall and Wells. I'm not sure how these options are better.

 

And they are going into it with a lesser staff (injured Lilly and likely no Harden).

[Sammy Sofa]

Not even trying to keep Harden was already stupid before Lilly got sliced. It's not like I'm saying it's some great thing these guys are getting more starts: it's, relatively speaking, seemingly better than the options they've often had in similar situations in the past.

 

Last year's option was Samardzija, Marshall and Wells. I'm not sure how these options are better.

 

And they are going into it with a lesser staff (injured Lilly and likely no Harden).

 

"The past" extends beyond last year, Literal Lamont.

 

I do not understand why you're responding to me like I'm saying this is a good thing. I never said this wouldn't be a lesser staff: that's obvious to anyone with an iota of common sense. I'm not. All I pointed out is that with the backup options the Cubs have there's a huge middle ground between "OK, this can work" and "holy crap, this team is going down in flames." I simply don't agree with the idea that they're automatically fucked if Lilly starts late.

[Tim M]

Meh, if he's back in April this isn't really a big deal at all. Even before free agency has started the Cubs have options to fill that role for a month. Nothing to worry about at the moment.

[jersey cubs fan]

Not even trying to keep Harden was already stupid before Lilly got sliced. It's not like I'm saying it's some great thing these guys are getting more starts: it's, relatively speaking, seemingly better than the options they've often had in similar situations in the past.

 

Last year's option was Samardzija, Marshall and Wells. I'm not sure how these options are better.

 

And they are going into it with a lesser staff (injured Lilly and likely no Harden).

 

"The past" extends beyond last year, Literal Lamont.

 

I do not understand why you're responding to me like I'm saying this is a good thing. I never said this wouldn't be a lesser staff: that's obvious to anyone with an iota of common sense. I'm not. All I pointed out is that with the backup options the Cubs have there's a huge middle ground between "OK, this can work" and "holy crap, this team is going down in flames." I simply don't agree with the idea that they're automatically [expletive] if Lilly starts late.

 

Okay but you weren't responding to somebody who said everything automatically goes to [expletive] if Lilly starts late. hyperbolic harry

 

Samardzija, Marshall, Gorzo, while they are already counting on Wells and apparantly letting Harden walk is really disappointing. It would not be a happy way to go into a season.

 

 

And I would never assume a 30-something pitcher coming off shoulder surgery is great bet to come back strong at the earliest timetable. I would expect delays at this point.

[jersey cubs fan]

Meh, if he's back in April this isn't really a big deal at all. Even before free agency has started the Cubs have options to fill that role for a month. Nothing to worry about at the moment.

 

The Cubs best pitcher had shoulder surgery. It is a big deal.