College Football - Week of Oct. 24th

[SpongeWorthy]

No, you're right. Iowa would not be able to compete with teams like South Carolina. In fact, they would probably get blown out.

 

easy there captain hyperbole, all he said was that it would be a coin flip and laid out his reasons why. If SEC don't have good QB's this year, they DEFINITELY have good defenses.

 

It's amazing how nutty SEC fans are about keeping up appearances.

 

If you can actually sit down and watch LSU, UGA, UT, Ole Miss, S. Carolina, etc. and tell me that isn't garbage quarterback play you're completely delusional. Those guys are awful.

[TruffleShuffle]

ok

 

Do you really think Iowa can beat Arkansas more than half the time? One thing Iowa can't do is score. One thing Iowa hasn't faced is a pass happy SEC offense like Arkansas. It's a good matchup for the Razorbacks. South Carolina's outstanding defense would keep the game close and be a coin flip game. Ditto for Ole Miss. Auburn's probably not a coin flip. Ironically enough Auburn's probably #7, 8 or 9 in the SEC. Hell, Tennessee would be a coin flip game too. Iowa can't score against an average defense, much less good ones that most of the SEC possess. So we can say that Iowa will probably score, on average between 14 and 17 points in those games. I like Arkansas's chances of putting up at least three touchdowns on Iowa. I like South Carolina's chances to put up 14-17 consistently. I like Tennessee's chances of being able to put up 14-17 consistently. It's pretty damn close.

 

wait so iowa's "can't score" offense won't do much against arkansas' terrible defense, but arkansas' offense will put up points pretty easily against a very good iowa defense? and tennessee's offense would be able to do anything against iowa's defense?

[Grit amp Heart]

The quarterback play in the SEC is unbelievably god awful. No way that they're blowing most conferences out of the water when the QBs suck that much.

 

SEC QB Rating vs Conference: 112.5

SEC QB Rating vs Non-Conference: 150.6

SEC QB Rating Defense vs Non-Conference: 96.8

 

Big XII QB Rating vs Conference: 124.8

Big XII QB Rating vs Non-Conference: 143.0

Big XII QB Rating Defense vs Non-Conference: 110.5

 

Big Ten QB Rating vs Conference: 120.9

Big Ten QB Rating vs Non-Conference: 138.9

Big Ten QB Rating Defense vs Non-Conference: 120.1

 

The Big XII is known for it's stellar QB play. Notice that the SEC QB Rating versus non conferences is higher than the others. Also notice that the SEC's defense QB Rating allowed in non conference games is lower than the others. Also know that the SEC's non-conference SOS is no worse than the Big Ten's or Big XIIs (its better).

 

From this point it looks as if the QB play is no worse in the SEC than it is in the other three conferences, only the perceived production differences is significantly lower thanks to playing against significantly better pass defenses than teams in the Big Ten and Big XII, which is also evident in the differences in qb rating defense in non-conference games.

[SpongeWorthy]

How did you glean that the SEC has a tougher non-conference OOC than those two conferences? I'd like to see those numbers. Does that include FCS opponents as well?

 

Also, the SEC honks are usually the ones proclaiming that they're far and away the best conference so I think it would be incumbent on them to prove that their quarterbacks aren't total crap (which they are).

[RedFlash]

How did you glean that the SEC has a tougher non-conference OOC than those two conferences? I'd like to see those numbers. Does that include FCS opponents as well?

 

Also, the SEC honks are usually the ones proclaiming that they're far and away the best conference so I think it would be incumbent on them to prove that their quarterbacks aren't total crap (which they are).

 

Well three straight national titles, and four titles this decade does kind of put the SEC in the "best conference" award, don't it?

[Grit amp Heart]

How did you glean that the SEC has a tougher non-conference OOC than those two conferences? I'd like to see those numbers. Does that include FCS opponents as well?

 

Also, the SEC honks are usually the ones proclaiming that they're far and away the best conference so I think it would be incumbent on them to prove that their quarterbacks aren't total crap (which they are).

 

 

Go ahead of average each conferences games played thus far. You'll get that they're all within one or two points of each other. To be fair, the ACC and Pac 10 are significantly higher than the three I listed. There's a tiered system here too. The Pac 10s is in a class of its own. Then the ACC and Big East are about halfway between the Pac 10s and the last three of the SEC, Big Ten and Big XII. The SEC does have some tough non-conference games (mainly rivalry ones with the ACC) and the Big Ten and Big XII don't. The SEC's at the end of the season should be significantly higher than the Big Ten and Big XIIs. Somewhere close to the Big Easts. The ACC's should move up closer to the Pac 10s.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The SEC has two Top-5 teams and a bunch of meh. I'm not going to say that any particular conference is better, but there is very little depth at all. The problem is that LSU and Ole Miss were in the Top 10 so now when they lose to Georgia/Arkansas/Auburn/Tennessee it "shows how deep the conference is" when neither team is any better than, say, Oklahoma State or Wisconsin.

[Grit amp Heart]

How did you glean that the SEC has a tougher non-conference OOC than those two conferences? I'd like to see those numbers. Does that include FCS opponents as well?

 

Also, the SEC honks are usually the ones proclaiming that they're far and away the best conference so I think it would be incumbent on them to prove that their quarterbacks aren't total crap (which they are).

 

Well three straight national titles, and four titles this decade does kind of put the SEC in the "best conference" award, don't it?

 

The SEC isn't, hasn't and won't always be the top conference. It's the best conference the last three or four years. In the first half of the decade it was only beat by the Big East in consistent BCS futility while the ACC, Pac 10 and Big Ten were King of the Hill. It's cyclical every five or so years between the non-Big East BCS conferences. You'll see the ACC and Big Ten rise to the top shortly.

[Grit amp Heart]

The SEC has two Top-5 teams and a bunch of meh. I'm not going to say that any particular conference is better, but there is very little depth at all. The problem is that LSU and Ole Miss were in the Top 10 so now when they lose to Georgia/Arkansas/Auburn/Tennessee it "shows how deep the conference is" when neither team is any better than, say, Oklahoma State or Wisconsin.

 

The problem is that the SEC has about seven Wisconsin/Oklahoma States, not two or three.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The SEC has two Top-5 teams and a bunch of meh. I'm not going to say that any particular conference is better, but there is very little depth at all. The problem is that LSU and Ole Miss were in the Top 10 so now when they lose to Georgia/Arkansas/Auburn/Tennessee it "shows how deep the conference is" when neither team is any better than, say, Oklahoma State or Wisconsin.

 

The problem is that the SEC has about seven Wisconsin/Oklahoma States, not two or three.

 

No, they don't. Oklahoma State beat Georgia. UCLA beat Tennessee. Those teams are not any better than Michigan State or Kansas or Oregon State or a middle of the pack ACC team(read: all of them). The crowning achievement of those seven teams is Auburn beating West Virginia, and even that's like the 5th best team in the awful Big East.

[Grit amp Heart]

You know better than to look at one or two games.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

You know better than to look at one or two games.

 

What's the compelling evidence that the middle of the SEC is head and shoulders above that of other conferences? Beating up on FCS and C-USA teams?

[SouthSideRyan]

No, you're right. Iowa would not be able to compete with teams like South Carolina. In fact, they would probably get blown out.

 

easy there captain hyperbole, all he said was that it would be a coin flip and laid out his reasons why. If SEC don't have good QB's this year, they DEFINITELY have good defenses.

 

It's amazing how nutty SEC fans are about keeping up appearances.

 

If you can actually sit down and watch LSU, UGA, UT, Ole Miss, S. Carolina, etc. and tell me that isn't garbage quarterback play you're completely delusional. Those guys are awful.

 

Yeah, well OMC met Patrick Willis.

[SouthSideRyan]

How did you glean that the SEC has a tougher non-conference OOC than those two conferences? I'd like to see those numbers. Does that include FCS opponents as well?

 

Also, the SEC honks are usually the ones proclaiming that they're far and away the best conference so I think it would be incumbent on them to prove that their quarterbacks aren't total crap (which they are).

 

Well three straight national titles, and four titles this decade does kind of put the SEC in the "best conference" award, don't it?

 

How many for Bama?

[Grit amp Heart]

I am not even saying that the middle of the pack sec teams are better than kansas or whoever, im saying that the middle of the pack is bigger. it is. the big xii has its baylor, iowa state, colorado, texas a&ms and kansas states. the big ten has its indiana, northwestern, purdue and illinois'. The SEC has its Vanderbilt.

 

Let's count the number of teams in each conference below 70 on the Sagarin

 

1 SEC (Vanderbilt)

1 Pac 10 (Wazzu)

4 ACC (Wake, Duke, NC State, Maryland)

3 Big East (Rutgers, Louisville, Syracuse)

4 Big Ten (Purdue, Indiana, Northwestern, Illinois)

4 Big XII (Iowa State, Colorado, Baylor, Texas A&M)

[Grit amp Heart]

You know better than to look at one or two games.

 

What's the compelling evidence that the middle of the SEC is head and shoulders above that of other conferences? Beating up on FCS and C-USA teams?

 

See Above.

[Grit amp Heart]

if 70 is too low a cutoff, use 75

 

6 ACC (50%)

4 Big East (50%)

5 Big Ten (45%)

6 Big XII (50%)

1 Pac 10 (10%)

2 SEC (17%)

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I am not even saying that the middle of the pack sec teams are better than kansas or whoever, im saying that the middle of the pack is bigger. it is. the big xii has its baylor, iowa state, colorado, texas a&ms and kansas states. the big ten has its indiana, northwestern, purdue and illinois'. The SEC has its Vanderbilt.

 

And Mississippi State. And Kentucky. And Arkansas.

[SouthSideRyan]

Slow down, Meph. You can't just explode in one thread like this.

[Grit amp Heart]

I am not even saying that the middle of the pack sec teams are better than kansas or whoever, im saying that the middle of the pack is bigger. it is. the big xii has its baylor, iowa state, colorado, texas a&ms and kansas states. the big ten has its indiana, northwestern, purdue and illinois'. The SEC has its Vanderbilt.

 

And Mississippi State. And Kentucky.

 

 

Except for the part where Miss State is on par with Minnesota and closer to Missouri than it is Iowa State or Baylor, for example. Oh Kentucky's ahead of the likes of Michigan, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and is on par with Wisconsin.

[bcl412]

Iowa's biggst strength is probably their pass defense so I think they'd do fine against a pass happy SEC team.

[TruffleShuffle]

I am not even saying that the middle of the pack sec teams are better than kansas or whoever, im saying that the middle of the pack is bigger. it is. the big xii has its baylor, iowa state, colorado, texas a&ms and kansas states. the big ten has its indiana, northwestern, purdue and illinois'. The SEC has its Vanderbilt.

 

And Mississippi State. And Kentucky.

 

 

Except for the part where Miss State is on par with Minnesota and closer to Missouri than it is Iowa State or Baylor, for example. Oh Kentucky's ahead of the likes of Michigan, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and is on par with Wisconsin.

 

i'd [expletive] a brick of kentucky beat oklahoma.

[Grit amp Heart]

Iowa's biggst strength is probably their pass defense so I think they'd do fine against a pass happy SEC team.

 

They've faced like one top third passing team this year. I'm not going to say they have a bad pass defense because they do not. I'm going to say that part of their numbers of a great passing defense is due to not facing quality passing teams.

[NewUserName]

All I know is for all the SEC being as good as the AFC crap that I have heard the last 10 years, they are just about even in head to head games against teh Big Ten over the last 15 yrs or so.

 

sorry, I mean in Bowl Games...not sure about regular season head to head games

Edited October 22, 2009 by NewUserName

[Grit amp Heart]

I am not even saying that the middle of the pack sec teams are better than kansas or whoever, im saying that the middle of the pack is bigger. it is. the big xii has its baylor, iowa state, colorado, texas a&ms and kansas states. the big ten has its indiana, northwestern, purdue and illinois'. The SEC has its Vanderbilt.

 

And Mississippi State. And Kentucky.

 

 

Except for the part where Miss State is on par with Minnesota and closer to Missouri than it is Iowa State or Baylor, for example. Oh Kentucky's ahead of the likes of Michigan, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and is on par with Wisconsin.

 

i'd [expletive] a brick of kentucky beat oklahoma.

who said anything about kentucky beating oklahoma?