8/23 Other Games

[Andy]

I just have an extremely difficult time believing that the Cardinals of all organizations are capable of seeing things in pitchers that literally no one else is. This happens over and over again, 'finding a hole in someone's swing' or 'realizing a guy is tipping his pitches'. It just doesn't seem like this happens with other team's coaches. Maybe it does, but like I said of all organizations, it seems odd that they're the only ones we seem to hear it about. You never hear about a White Sox guy turning his career around because someone noticed him tipping his pitches.

[chuckywang]

I just have an extremely difficult time believing that the Cardinals of all organizations are capable of seeing things in pitchers that literally no one else is. This happens over and over again, 'finding a hole in someone's swing' or 'realizing a guy is tipping his pitches'. It just doesn't seem like this happens with other team's coaches. Maybe it does, but like I said of all organizations, it seems odd that they're the only ones we seem to hear it about. You never hear about a White Sox guy turning his career around because someone noticed him tipping his pitches.

 

It's become almost comical actually.

[TruffleShuffle]

This is a really good baseball message board, but it's going to be too easy to upset some posters (both Cub and Card) in the next 5-6 weeks.

 

not really, most of us have thrown in the towel and now are just rooting for the cardinals to lose in the playoffs.

[RedFlash]

I just have an extremely difficult time believing that the Cardinals of all organizations are capable of seeing things in pitchers that literally no one else is. This happens over and over again, 'finding a hole in someone's swing' or 'realizing a guy is tipping his pitches'. It just doesn't seem like this happens with other team's coaches. Maybe it does, but like I said of all organizations, it seems odd that they're the only ones we seem to hear it about. You never hear about a White Sox guy turning his career around because someone noticed him tipping his pitches.

 

What do you expect from a team who's manager believes that every team in baseball "cheats" when they play against his team.

[TruffleShuffle]

yeah it's awfully ironic that he has managed some of the most notorious steroid users in the game.

[Flames24Rulz]

Besides Franklin (and Lugo I guess), the pixie dust thing really hasn't been that bad with the Cardinals this year. They're just a better team than us, and I actually respect that.

 

Wake me up when Smoltz has a couple of those starts against legitimate teams. Again, he was going against the Padres who, last I checked, were one of the worst offenses in the entire league.

[TruffleShuffle]

Besides Franklin (and Lugo I guess), the pixie dust thing really hasn't been that bad with the Cardinals this year.

 

holliday, brendan ryan, ryan ludwick with runners in scoring position, joel pineiro, chris carpenter's health/performance, trever miller.

 

but yeah they're better than people were giving them credit for.

[Flames24Rulz]

Besides Franklin (and Lugo I guess), the pixie dust thing really hasn't been that bad with the Cardinals this year.

 

holliday, brendan ryan, ryan ludwick with runners in scoring position, joel pineiro, chris carpenter's health/performance, trever miller.

 

but yeah they're better than people were giving them credit for.

 

Ah, completely forgot about Pineiro. Not sure how I did that.

 

Miller's a reliever and we all know how inconsistent they are. Carpenter was sort of due to be healthy for the majority of a season sooner or later. Holliday was obviously going to be a better player than he was in Oakland (maybe not 1.300 OPS good, but good nonetheless) and I've sort of given up on judging Ludwick.

 

I guess what I'm trying to say is they're winning with legitimate players this year compared to the last couple of seasons.

[E.J.]

Wow. We're starting to sound like we have little-brother syndrome with all the Cardinals obsession. It's fine. They were better than us this season. They had some players playing over their head, but I don't think it's crazy to think the pitchers are helped immensely by Duncan. It's been proven over and over again that a mediocre pitcher can have good seasons under Duncan.

[Andy]

Wow. We're starting to sound like we have little-brother syndrome with all the Cardinals obsession. It's fine. They were better than us this season. They had some players playing over their head, but I don't think it's crazy to think the pitchers are helped immensely by Duncan. It's been proven over and over again that a mediocre pitcher can have good seasons under Duncan.

I just wish a big-budget team would throw some money at him a la Mazzone. But for some reason nobody does (or maybe I missed it?).

[TruffleShuffle]

I just wish a big-budget team would throw some money at him a la Mazzone. But for some reason nobody does (or maybe I missed it?).

 

he's too loyal to larussa.

 

that being said, the cubs should offer him $10M a year in the offseason and see what happens.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

There's a good chance Duncan leaves after this season. He's not happy with the way the Cardinals organization treated his son.

[SouthSideRyan]

There's a good chance Duncan leaves after this season. He's not happy with the way the Cardinals organization treated his son.

 

The next move in the series.

[illiniguy]

Besides Franklin (and Lugo I guess), the pixie dust thing really hasn't been that bad with the Cardinals this year.

 

holliday, brendan ryan, ryan ludwick with runners in scoring position, joel pineiro, chris carpenter's health/performance, trever miller.

 

but yeah they're better than people were giving them credit for.

 

Ah, completely forgot about Pineiro. Not sure how I did that.

 

Miller's a reliever and we all know how inconsistent they are. Carpenter was sort of due to be healthy for the majority of a season sooner or later. Holliday was obviously going to be a better player than he was in Oakland (maybe not 1.300 OPS good, but good nonetheless) and I've sort of given up on judging Ludwick.

 

I guess what I'm trying to say is they're winning with legitimate players this year compared to the last couple of seasons.

Molina and Pujols are also having huge jumps from anything they have ever had in reguards to OPS+, look at what Lugo has done for them, and come on with the Carp thing. I guess we should sign Prior, he's due to have a healthy season.

[Sammys Boombox]

Greinke has 14 K through 7 IP.

[Sammys Boombox]

Greinke has 14 K through 7 IP.

 

Make that 15 K through 7.1 IP.

[Sammys Boombox]

15 K after 8.0 IP. No 20 K game here.