What's with all the Sandberg hate around here?

[Old Style]

It seems like every time I see Ryne Sandberg's name mentioned, several people take pot shots at him. It's been that way since I started lurking, but I've never understood it. Can someone fill me in please?

[17 Seconds]

It's only as Sandberg the manager though

[Sammy Sofa]

The only thing I can assume you're talking about would be are the references to a poster who had an insane hate for Ryne Sandberg. Some of her choice lines are quoted when he's brought up.

 

There's that and that most of us seem to think he would not be a very good manager.

[inari]

It's nice to be important but it's more important to be nice!!!

[E.J.]

He's the type of manager who likes to hit and run, and has his players sac bunting in the 1st inning of games. Pretty much loves to waste outs. I don't think it's hate more than fear that he'll somehow become the big league manager. Do not want.

[cheapseats]

He's the type of manager who likes to hit and run, and has his players sac bunting in the 1st inning of games. Pretty much loves to waste outs. I don't think it's hate more than fear that he'll somehow become the big league manager. Do not want.

 

HE WANTS HISPLAYERS TO PLAY THE GAME THE RIGHT WAY!

[Rob]

You know, I understand the urge to have all your players know how to bunt, hit and run, etc... they can be useful tools to have. But they need to be used sparingly... and Ryno's strategy seems to be to "manufacture" runs... and that's bad.

[DiamondMind]

Could you guys be any more black and white? There's millions of contextual situations in baseball. You can't just say "bunting is stupid."

[SouthSideRyan]

Could you guys be any more black and white? There's millions of contextual situations in baseball. You can't just say "bunting is stupid."

 

Ignoring the fact that nobody said that, bunting excessively is stupid.

[Atta Boy]

You know, I understand the urge to have all your players know how to bunt, hit and run, etc... they can be useful tools to have. But they need to be used sparingly... and Ryno's strategy seems to be to "manufacture" runs... and that's bad.

 

He isn't managing a major league team that the outcome of the games really matter all that much. I don't see why teaching small ball in the developmental stages is anything but productive. Maybe if someone had taught some of our players the importance of getting people over in the proper situations this team would have won more games than they have.

 

I would much rather manufacture 3 runs a game with this pitching staff than the current 1 every other day then 6 the others.

[17 Seconds]

Sandberg isn't managing like that because he's trying to develop them like that. He's managing like that because that's his offensive philosophy. If he becomes a major league manager, he'll be doing the same thing, and that's counter productive to scoring runs.

 

Ryne Sandberg's offensive philosophy is highly similar to Dusty Baker's.

[17 Seconds]

 

I would much rather manufacture 3 runs a game with this pitching staff than the current 1 every other day then 6 the others.

 

They are averaging 4.48 runs a game. You'd rather get 3 runs a game than average 4.48 a game, just because it might be more consistent?

Edited August 16, 2009 by 17 Seconds

[Derwood]

Could you guys be any more black and white? There's millions of contextual situations in baseball. You can't just say "bunting is stupid."

 

if the pitcher is up with less than 2 outs and a runner or 2 on, fine, bunt.

 

But the Dusty's/Sandberg's of the world like to bunt with their #2 hitter after the leadoff man singles. That's [expletive].

[NCCubFan]

The minor leagues are supposed to be about the young kids. Helping the kids become major leaguers. He's only out for himself, just like he always was. All he ever cared about was winning - winning - winning.

 

A real LOSER off-the-field too. No wonder he's headed for a second DIVORCE. LOUSY family man.

 

The Hall of Fame does not make you a good person. He let it go to his head. I hope to GOD he never ever manages the CUBS. I'll become a Whie Sox fan.

 

IT'S NICE TO BE IMPORTANT BUT IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO BE NICE!!!!

[Soul]

Ah, yes. *That* poster.

[Atta Boy]

 

I would much rather manufacture 3 runs a game with this pitching staff than the current 1 every other day then 6 the others.

 

They are averaging 4.48 runs a game. You'd rather get 3 runs a game than average 4.48 a game, just because it might be more consistent?

 

I'm by no means a stat head whatsoever, but how skewed is that statistic. Just because you average 4.8 runs a game does not mean that you usually get 4.8 per game. We have had a few really big games this year that bump that up considerably. Obviously this doesn't happen often but that 17 run game a few days ago plus three one run games avgs near that figure.

 

I could be wrong here, but it seems like we have had an unusual amount of games that we just can't score a run to save a life. Instead of adjusting to that a few innings in and try to scrape for some runs, Lou seems to just cross his finger for that one big inning and we end up losing by one run.

[bhogg]

Not that I want Ryno as the team manager, but just exactly how do we know what his managerial philosophy is?

[Derwood]

 

I would much rather manufacture 3 runs a game with this pitching staff than the current 1 every other day then 6 the others.

 

They are averaging 4.48 runs a game. You'd rather get 3 runs a game than average 4.48 a game, just because it might be more consistent?

 

I'm by no means a stat head whatsoever, but how skewed is that statistic. Just because you average 4.8 runs a game does not mean that you usually get 4.8 per game. We have had a few really big games this year that bump that up considerably. Obviously this doesn't happen often but that 17 run game a few days ago plus three one run games avgs near that figure.

 

I could be wrong here, but it seems like we have had an unusual amount of games that we just can't score a run to save a life. Instead of adjusting to that a few innings in and try to scrape for some runs, Lou seems to just cross his finger for that one big inning and we end up losing by one run.

 

Over the course of a full season, run differential tends to play out fairly accurately.

[Magnetic Curses]

he's history's greatest monster.

[manbearcub]

Not that I want Ryno as the team manager, but just exactly how do we know what his managerial philosophy is?

from how he manages.

[17 Seconds]

 

I would much rather manufacture 3 runs a game with this pitching staff than the current 1 every other day then 6 the others.

 

They are averaging 4.48 runs a game. You'd rather get 3 runs a game than average 4.48 a game, just because it might be more consistent?

 

I'm by no means a stat head whatsoever, but how skewed is that statistic. Just because you average 4.8 runs a game does not mean that you usually get 4.8 per game. We have had a few really big games this year that bump that up considerably. Obviously this doesn't happen often but that 17 run game a few days ago plus three one run games avgs near that figure.

 

I could be wrong here, but it seems like we have had an unusual amount of games that we just can't score a run to save a life. Instead of adjusting to that a few innings in and try to scrape for some runs, Lou seems to just cross his finger for that one big inning and we end up losing by one run.

 

Cubs projected win-loss this season (based on run differential): 60-55

 

Cubs actual win-loss record this season: 60-55

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Not that I want Ryno as the team manager, but just exactly how do we know what his managerial philosophy is?

 

He's managing in AA.

[rocket]

 

I would much rather manufacture 3 runs a game with this pitching staff than the current 1 every other day then 6 the others.

 

They are averaging 4.48 runs a game. You'd rather get 3 runs a game than average 4.48 a game, just because it might be more consistent?

 

I'm by no means a stat head whatsoever, but how skewed is that statistic. Just because you average 4.8 runs a game does not mean that you usually get 4.8 per game. We have had a few really big games this year that bump that up considerably. Obviously this doesn't happen often but that 17 run game a few days ago plus three one run games avgs near that figure.

 

I could be wrong here, but it seems like we have had an unusual amount of games that we just can't score a run to save a life. Instead of adjusting to that a few innings in and try to scrape for some runs, Lou seems to just cross his finger for that one big inning and we end up losing by one run.

 

What teams consistently manufacture 3 runs every game?

[bhogg]

Not that I want Ryno as the team manager, but just exactly how do we know what his managerial philosophy is?

 

He's managing in AA.

 

 

 

I know that. What I'm getting at is that (assuming) the majority of us don't see him manage everyday. Maybe you manage minor league guys different that you would major leaguers. I really don't know.

 

Granted, if he's come right out and said he's a sac bunt, hit and run type guy that's probably not what the club needs.

[rocket]

Granted, if he's come right out and said he's a sac bunt, hit and run type guy that's probably not what the club needs.

 

he pretty much said that in his hall of fame speech.

 

The reason I am here, they tell me, is that I played the game a certain way, that I played the game the way it was supposed to be played. I don’t know about that, but I do know this: I had too much respect for the game to play it any other way

 

If you played the game the right way, played the game for the team, good things would happen. That’s what I loved most about the game, how a ground out to second with a man on second and nobody out was a great thing.

 

But Harry, who was a huge supporter of mine, used to say how nice it is that a guy who can hit 40 homers or steal 50 bases or drive in a hundred runs is the best bunter on the team. Nice? That was my job. When did it -- When did it become okay for someone to hit home runs and forget how to play the rest of the game?

 

When we went home every winter, they warned us not to lift heavy weights because they didn’t want us to lose flexibility. They wanted us to be baseball players, not only home run hitters.

 

In my day, if a guy came to spring training 20 pounds heavier than what he left, he was considered out of shape and was probably in trouble. He’d be under a microscope and the first time he couldn’t beat out a base hit or missed a fly ball, he was probably shipped out. These guys sitting up here did not pave the way for the rest of us so that players could swing for the fences every time up and forget how to move a runner over to third. It’s disrespectful to them, to you, and to the game of baseball that we all played growing up.

 

If this validates anything, it’s that learning how to bunt and hit and run and turning two is more important than knowing where to find the little red light at the dug out camera.

 

[expletive] gag me