The Cubs organization=IDIOTS!

[Keener98]

Just read this after the game, and apparently Z didnt get ANY treatment on his back all week. Now wtf? If somebody is having back spasms/problems, why in the hell wouldnt you give the guy treatment to be on the safe side? Why ignore it all week? This organization really doesnt make sense.

 

He left his last start with back stiffness, Saturday in Florida, after three innings but hadn't complained of discomfort.

 

"He hasn't gotten any treatment [all week]," Piniella said.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-08-cubs-rockies-chicago-aug08,0,1002895.story

[UMFan83]

Just read this after the game, and apparently Z didnt get ANY treatment on his back all week. Now wtf? If somebody is having back spasms/problems, why in the hell wouldnt you give the guy treatment to be on the safe side? Why ignore it all week? This organization really doesnt make sense.

 

He left his last start with back stiffness, Saturday in Florida, after three innings but hadn't complained of discomfort.

 

"He hasn't gotten any treatment [all week]," Piniella said.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-08-cubs-rockies-chicago-aug08,0,1002895.story

 

It is a bit odd how they handled this. Lou was ready to pitch him out of the damn bullpen this week despite the injury. Z surely threw side sessions and had trainers looking at him all week and apparently didn't experience any pain at all because I'm sure if there was any doubt about his availability tonight, there would have been some sort of contingency plan, as its obvious the Cubs didn't have any in place.

 

So the way logic would suggest, Z feels major pain in his back on Saturday, doesn't feel any pain the day after, allowing the coaching staff to believe he just had minor back pains from sleeping wrong or something, he throws side sessions and doesn't feel any sort of pain all week, and then tonight while warming up he feels his first pain since last Saturday.

 

Either that or Z wasn't telling everyone the whole story, which really ended up screwing the team over, if true because not only did we likely lose a game because of it, we completely burned our bullpen in the first game of a critical 7 game stretch against contenders.

[Old Style]

Yeah, I was a little shocked to read that. If Z goes to the DL, it can be retroactive to last Saturday, right?

[Irrelevant Dude]

I think Zambrano absolutely has to go on the DL. This team can't afford him to get scratched again or pulled early. Since they can make his DL stint retroactive to his last start, he would only miss 1-2 starts.

[Fred Hornkohl]

I think Zambrano absolutely has to go on the DL. This team can't afford him to get scratched again or pulled early. Since they can make his DL stint retroactive to his last start, he would only miss 1-2 starts.

Is that your expert medical opinion, Dr. Davis ?

[Irrelevant Dude]

I think Zambrano absolutely has to go on the DL. This team can't afford him to get scratched again or pulled early. Since they can make his DL stint retroactive to his last start, he would only miss 1-2 starts.

Is that your expert medical opinion, Dr. Davis ?

It has nothing to do with my medical opinion actually.

[NCCubFan]

Yeah, I was a little shocked to read that. If Z goes to the DL, it can be retroactive to last Saturday, right?

Actually it would be Sunday (the day after he last pitched). That would still mean he'd only have to miss one more start.

[RegulusBlue]

Just read this after the game, and apparently Z didnt get ANY treatment on his back all week. Now wtf? If somebody is having back spasms/problems, why in the hell wouldnt you give the guy treatment to be on the safe side? Why ignore it all week? This organization really doesnt make sense.

 

He left his last start with back stiffness, Saturday in Florida, after three innings but hadn't complained of discomfort.

 

"He hasn't gotten any treatment [all week]," Piniella said.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-08-cubs-rockies-chicago-aug08,0,1002895.story

 

I read that as a Zambrano refuses to pitch today tantrum reference by Lou.

 

Am I the only one who took it that way?

[NCCubFan]

I didn't take it as Zambrano refusing to pitch. I think he legitimately aggravated the back injury (perhaps on a batting practice swing, as mentioned in the article). I've always thought of Zambrano as somebody who WANTS to play.

[Tarver]

I didn't take it as Zambrano refusing to pitch. I think he legitimately aggravated the back injury (perhaps on a batting practice swing, as mentioned in the article). I've always thought of Zambrano as somebody who WANTS to play.

 

Except that time in '06.

[davearm2]

It is a bit odd how they handled this. Lou was ready to pitch him out of the damn bullpen this week despite the injury. Z surely threw side sessions and had trainers looking at him all week and apparently didn't experience any pain at all because I'm sure if there was any doubt about his availability tonight, there would have been some sort of contingency plan, as its obvious the Cubs didn't have any in place.

 

So the way logic would suggest, Z feels major pain in his back on Saturday, doesn't feel any pain the day after, allowing the coaching staff to believe he just had minor back pains from sleeping wrong or something, he throws side sessions and doesn't feel any sort of pain all week, and then tonight while warming up he feels his first pain since last Saturday.

 

Either that or Z wasn't telling everyone the whole story, which really ended up screwing the team over, if true because not only did we likely lose a game because of it, we completely burned our bullpen in the first game of a critical 7 game stretch against contenders.

LOL seriously?

 

They "burned" Samardzija... probably knowing that he'd be off until his start on Wednesday anyway.

 

Two other guys had pretty standard one-inning appearances (Heilman, Grabow), and the entire backend got the night off (Guzman, Marmol, Gregg).

[17 Seconds]

It is a bit odd how they handled this. Lou was ready to pitch him out of the damn bullpen this week despite the injury. Z surely threw side sessions and had trainers looking at him all week and apparently didn't experience any pain at all because I'm sure if there was any doubt about his availability tonight, there would have been some sort of contingency plan, as its obvious the Cubs didn't have any in place.

 

So the way logic would suggest, Z feels major pain in his back on Saturday, doesn't feel any pain the day after, allowing the coaching staff to believe he just had minor back pains from sleeping wrong or something, he throws side sessions and doesn't feel any sort of pain all week, and then tonight while warming up he feels his first pain since last Saturday.

 

Either that or Z wasn't telling everyone the whole story, which really ended up screwing the team over, if true because not only did we likely lose a game because of it, we completely burned our bullpen in the first game of a critical 7 game stretch against contenders.

LOL seriously?

 

They "burned" Samardzija... probably knowing that he'd be off until his start on Wednesday anyway.

 

Two other guys had pretty standard one-inning appearances (Heilman, Grabow), and the entire backend got the night off (Guzman, Marmol, Gregg).

 

i like how you leave out marshall

[davearm2]

It is a bit odd how they handled this. Lou was ready to pitch him out of the damn bullpen this week despite the injury. Z surely threw side sessions and had trainers looking at him all week and apparently didn't experience any pain at all because I'm sure if there was any doubt about his availability tonight, there would have been some sort of contingency plan, as its obvious the Cubs didn't have any in place.

 

So the way logic would suggest, Z feels major pain in his back on Saturday, doesn't feel any pain the day after, allowing the coaching staff to believe he just had minor back pains from sleeping wrong or something, he throws side sessions and doesn't feel any sort of pain all week, and then tonight while warming up he feels his first pain since last Saturday.

 

Either that or Z wasn't telling everyone the whole story, which really ended up screwing the team over, if true because not only did we likely lose a game because of it, we completely burned our bullpen in the first game of a critical 7 game stretch against contenders.

LOL seriously?

 

They "burned" Samardzija... probably knowing that he'd be off until his start on Wednesday anyway.

 

Two other guys had pretty standard one-inning appearances (Heilman, Grabow), and the entire backend got the night off (Guzman, Marmol, Gregg).

 

i like how you leave out marshall

So you believe having Marshall (a guy that most folks want to have starting anyway) throw 2 IP "completely burn(s) our bullpen"?

 

Good luck with that argument.

[17 Seconds]

i didn't make an argument. i was just pointing out how you conveniently left the most relevant reliever of the night out of your argument.

[davearm2]

i didn't make an argument. i was just pointing out how you conveniently left the most relevant reliever of the night out of your argument.

Your tedious nitpicking is duly noted. The main point still stands. 5/7 of the bullpen should have been perfectly fine to pitch the following day, with a sixth arm (Stevens) arriving.

[17 Seconds]

it's not really tedious. he's one of our best relievers and he racked up a lot of pitches.

 

plus, you can't just shrug off the crappy relievers being used. even though they suck, they might suck a little more if they aren't fresh. we may have needed to count on one of those guys to pitch a scoreless inning and maybe they aren't as fresh.

 

every extra inning ANY of your relievers have to throw in the late parts of the season are relevant. this is when guys start wearing down and need all the rest they can get.

[davearm2]

it's not really tedious. he's one of our best relievers and he racked up a lot of pitches.

 

plus, you can't just shrug off the crappy relievers being used. even though they suck, they might suck a little more if they aren't fresh. we may have needed to count on one of those guys to pitch a scoreless inning and maybe they aren't as fresh.

 

every extra inning ANY of your relievers have to throw in the late parts of the season are relevant. this is when guys start wearing down and need all the rest they can get.

Believe me, it's tedious.

 

The fact is, folks should be praising Samardzija for saving the bullpen on Friday. Only because he ate 4 innings were the other 5 guys spared overuse.

 

But he's one of the board's favorite whipping boys, so of course that credit isn't coming.

[17 Seconds]

it's not really tedious. he's one of our best relievers and he racked up a lot of pitches.

 

plus, you can't just shrug off the crappy relievers being used. even though they suck, they might suck a little more if they aren't fresh. we may have needed to count on one of those guys to pitch a scoreless inning and maybe they aren't as fresh.

 

every extra inning ANY of your relievers have to throw in the late parts of the season are relevant. this is when guys start wearing down and need all the rest they can get.

Believe me, it's tedious.

 

The fact is, folks should be praising Samardzija for saving the bullpen on Friday. Only because he ate 4 innings were the other 5 guys spared overuse.

 

But he's one of the board's favorite whipping boys, so of course that credit isn't coming.

 

signing bonus, ntc, gets shelled every time out... and you want me to praise him for pitching 4 innings in relief?

 

it doesn't surprise me that you seemingly share the same man crushes as jim though, considering you're the biggest jim hendry apologist on the site.

[davearm2]

it's not really tedious. he's one of our best relievers and he racked up a lot of pitches.

 

plus, you can't just shrug off the crappy relievers being used. even though they suck, they might suck a little more if they aren't fresh. we may have needed to count on one of those guys to pitch a scoreless inning and maybe they aren't as fresh.

 

every extra inning ANY of your relievers have to throw in the late parts of the season are relevant. this is when guys start wearing down and need all the rest they can get.

Believe me, it's tedious.

 

The fact is, folks should be praising Samardzija for saving the bullpen on Friday. Only because he ate 4 innings were the other 5 guys spared overuse.

 

But he's one of the board's favorite whipping boys, so of course that credit isn't coming.

 

signing bonus, ntc, gets shelled every time out... and you want me to praise him for pitching 4 innings in relief?

 

it doesn't surprise me that you seemingly share the same man crushes as jim though, considering you're the biggest jim hendry apologist on the site.

If you're going to rip a guy when he does poorly, then yes I do expect you to praise him when he does well. It's called being objective. Just because I have that capacity, doesn't mean I've got some "man crush". It just means I'm apparently more rational than you.

 

As to the "completely burned our bullpen" comment: either you agree with that assessment, or you agree with me that it's complete nonsense.

 

If it's the former, then you're going to have to do a helluva lot more to prove it than point out that our swing guy threw 63 pitches. If Marshall throwing 63 pitches truly does "completely burn our bullpen", then this team is in way more trouble than any of us thought. The whole premise is just laughable, frankly.

 

If it's the latter, then your comment about Marshall is exactly what I called it: tedious nitpicking.

[17 Seconds]

If you're going to rip a guy when he does poorly, then yes I do expect you to praise him when he does well. It's called being objective. Just because I have that capacity, doesn't mean I've got some "man crush". It just means I'm apparently more rational than you.

 

Wait, 6 baserunners, 2 runs, and only one strikeout in 4 innings is "doing well"? Really? A WHIP of 1.50 is "doing well"?

 

All he did was get 12 outs in a loss. That's it. Any major league pitcher could have done that. I'm not going to congratulate him for going out to pitch when his manager told him to. That's his job. If he actually does it well, THEN I'll give him credit.

 

And I wasn't even the one who made the "completely burned the bullpen comment". I was just pointing out that your whole argument was breaking down the pitchers used in the game and how they all sucked, but you conveniently left out Marshall, who is a good pitcher who was used.

 

I don't see how pointing out the biggest factor in that game is "being tedious".

 

Actually, what's "tedious" is the fact that you're so hung up on the word "completely" in his post. His point was that it burned the bullpen, which it did. Whether you want to admit it or not, extra innings pitched by ANY of your relievers at this point of the season are unwanted. Just because Heilman sucks doesn't mean his future performance is irrelevant.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Gentlemen, keep it civil.

[davearm2]

Actually, what's "tedious" is the fact that you're so hung up on the word "completely" in his post. His point was that it burned the bullpen, which it did. Whether you want to admit it or not, extra innings pitched by ANY of your relievers at this point of the season are unwanted. Just because Heilman sucks doesn't mean his future performance is irrelevant.

No, it did not "burn" the bullpen, completely or in any other way.

 

Six guys were available to pitch the next day (Guzman Marmol Gregg Stevens Heilman Grabow).

 

By your logic, any bullpen that does not have a full complement of all seven arms available every single day is "burned". Complete and utter nonsense.

[UMFan83]

Would this argument die if I edit my post to add the words "could have" in front of "completely burned the bullpen..."?

[17 Seconds]

Actually, what's "tedious" is the fact that you're so hung up on the word "completely" in his post. His point was that it burned the bullpen, which it did. Whether you want to admit it or not, extra innings pitched by ANY of your relievers at this point of the season are unwanted. Just because Heilman sucks doesn't mean his future performance is irrelevant.

No, it did not "burn" the bullpen, completely or in any other way.

 

Six guys were available to pitch the next day (Guzman Marmol Gregg Stevens Heilman Grabow).

 

By your logic, any bullpen that does not have a full complement of all seven arms available every single day is "burned". Complete and utter nonsense.

 

You keep ignoring the main point over and over again. Thisis what you constantly do. You pick and choose which facts and points you want to9 include in your posts. You railor the facts to your argument.

 

JUST BECAUSE A RELIEVER WAS AVAILABLE THE NEXT DAY DOESN'T MEAN THAT HIS INNINGS WERE IRRELEVANT.

 

I'll say this for the THIRD time. Every inning on your bullpen this late in the season is relevant. Even to your crappy relievers. This is when bullpens wear down.

 

Now let's see if you ignore it again.

[Vanilla Ice]

That game did not tax our bullpen