Exactly how do waiver deals work anyway?

[Little Slide Rooter]

So a team puts the player through waivers. At that point, either a team claims them, and the first team can either pull him off waivers or make a deal with that team. If he makes it through waivers, he can be traded to any team. This much I think I have down.

 

My question is, once that waiver claim is made, or the player makes it through waivers, can another team trade any player for him, or does it have to be someone not on the 40 man roster, or what?

[dew1679666265]

So a team puts the player through waivers. At that point, either a team claims them, and the first team can either pull him off waivers or make a deal with that team. If he makes it through waivers, he can be traded to any team. This much I think I have down.

 

My question is, once that waiver claim is made, or the player makes it through waivers, can another team trade any player for him, or does it have to be someone not on the 40 man roster, or what?

 

Once a waiver claim is made, the claiming team can trade anyone they want (and the other team will accept) for the player. However, whoever the claiming team trades must also have passed through waivers as well, or another team can claim that player.

 

For instance, let's say the Cubs claim Juan Cruz. Once the claim is made, the Royals have the option of pulling him back, letting the Cubs have him and his salary or working out a deal with the Cubs. Assume they go with the third option and a deal is worked out for the Cubs to send Miles to KC for Cruz. Before that deal can go down, though, Miles must pass through waivers. If he does, the deal happens. If he's claimed by someone, then the Cubs have the same three options with Miles the Royals had with Cruz. The Cubs also much then either figure out a three-way deal, or work something else out with the Royals for Cruz.

 

I'm pretty sure that's the way it works.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The say the Cardinals put a claim on Miles, and we give it to them, do they then have to take him and his salary or can they pull out of it?

[CubColtPacer]

The say the Cardinals put a claim on Miles, and we give it to them, do they then have to take him and his salary or can they pull out of it?

 

If they made a claim and the Cubs let them have it then they would have to take that player. That's the risk in making a waiver claim which is why so many players pass through.

 

Other 40 man players have to also pass through waivers before they can be traded. If that player is in the minors though, teams can trade a PTBNL and complete the deal in the offseason when the waiver restriction isn't there.

[Clem Fandango]

Please take Aaron Miles

[Little Slide Rooter]

How about a guy whose not on the 40 man? Say The Royals waive Juan Cruz and he makes it through. If we were to trade, say So Taguchi and John Ford Griffin(I know it wouldnt happen, just the 1st 2 names that popped into my head), since neither are on the 40 man, could we just go ahead and make the deal?

[CubColtPacer]

I'm almost completely sure that if they aren't on the 40 man, they don't have to go through the waiver process.

[Cubfanintheknow]

Geez, you guys sound like you want to get rid of Aaron Miles or something!

[Little Slide Rooter]

Geez, you guys sound like you want to get rid of Aaron Miles or something!

 

that would be just plain silly. not only does he play multiple positions, but hes a switch hitter. who in their right mind would give up such a player*

 

 

is green text really necessary here?

[third eye]

I'm almost completely sure that if they aren't on the 40 man, they don't have to go through the waiver process.

 

 

So in a prospects-for-veteran post-deadline deal, you'd tend to see lower level prospects traded, right? You'd never see the top blue-chip prospects that are already on somebody's 40 man roster, because they would be claimed immediately? Or is there some other loophole that would allow this to happen?

[CubColtPacer]

I'm almost completely sure that if they aren't on the 40 man, they don't have to go through the waiver process.

 

 

So in a prospects-for-veteran post-deadline deal, you'd tend to see lower level prospects traded, right? You'd never see the top blue-chip prospects that are already on somebody's 40 man roster, because they would be claimed immediately? Or is there some other loophole that would allow this to happen?

 

If I'm remembering right, it's possible to use a PTBNL as the loophole for this to happen as long as the player is not in the majors. The club would trade for a PTBNL who would be announced after the season was over when he wouldn't have to go through waivers.

 

This doesn't happen often with 40 man guys because there usually are so few majors trades that happen where a big prospect that wouldn't clear waivers would be involved.

[Rob]

I'm almost completely sure that if they aren't on the 40 man, they don't have to go through the waiver process.

 

 

So in a prospects-for-veteran post-deadline deal, you'd tend to see lower level prospects traded, right? You'd never see the top blue-chip prospects that are already on somebody's 40 man roster, because they would be claimed immediately? Or is there some other loophole that would allow this to happen?

 

If I'm remembering right, it's possible to use a PTBNL as the loophole for this to happen as long as the player is not in the majors. The club would trade for a PTBNL who would be announced after the season was over when he wouldn't have to go through waivers.

 

This doesn't happen often with 40 man guys because there usually are so few majors trades that happen where a big prospect that wouldn't clear waivers would be involved.

 

Actually, they can be in the majors... but if they are a PTBNL, they have to be traded to the opposite league. It's a silly, silly rule.

[moorecg]

Ok...so Tampa Bay just claimed Gregg Zaunn off Waivers from the O's...would he have had to get all the way through the AL and then down to us, or did we essentially have to pass on him for him to fall to the Rays?

 

If we had the chance, why Wouldn't we have claimed him to replace Hill?

[A-Cal]

Ok...so Tampa Bay just claimed Gregg Zaunn off Waivers from the O's...would he have had to get all the way through the AL and then down to us, or did we essentially have to pass on him for him to fall to the Rays?

 

If we had the chance, why Wouldn't we have claimed him to replace Hill?

 

i thought he had to go through the AL first and then the NL

[moorecg]

Ok...so Tampa Bay just claimed Gregg Zaunn off Waivers from the O's...would he have had to get all the way through the AL and then down to us, or did we essentially have to pass on him for him to fall to the Rays?

 

If we had the chance, why Wouldn't we have claimed him to replace Hill?

 

i thought he had to go through the AL first and then the NL

 

 

That could be...I'm just not sure how that part works between leagues.

[dew1679666265]

Ok...so Tampa Bay just claimed Gregg Zaunn off Waivers from the O's...would he have had to get all the way through the AL and then down to us, or did we essentially have to pass on him for him to fall to the Rays?

 

If we had the chance, why Wouldn't we have claimed him to replace Hill?

 

i thought he had to go through the AL first and then the NL

 

 

That could be...I'm just not sure how that part works between leagues.

 

I'm almost certain he goes all the way through his own league before going through the other league. So the Rays got the first crack, I think.

[PackLandVA]

Would rather just DFA Miles than try to sneak him through waivers!!

[9YRPLAN]

just a point of clarification- in the miles example, there is a fourth option of hitting him the head repeatedly with a tire iron and leaving him in a ditch. it can be either an AL or NL ditch.

[dew1679666265]

Would rather just DFA Miles than try to sneak him through waivers!!

 

If we DFA him, we still have to pay his full contract. If someone claims him off waivers or we trade him, the acquiring team pays his contract (assuming we don't agree to pay him in a hypothetical trade, of course).

[radarluv1]

when is the list of players put through waivers released? is it all on one day, or do gms just get a daily list of guys put through that day?

i was wondering about a situation where if several attractive players went through at once, a team may only want to make a claim to one of them, rather than risk getting stuck with multiple new contracts.

[NCCubFan]

I'm sure the list would be released to teams (not made public) day by day, since not all players would be placed on waivers the same day.

[radarluv1]

I'm sure the list would be released to teams (not made public) day by day, since not all players would be placed on waivers the same day.

and everyone would get the same list, right? i mean they wouldnt give it to the worst team, wait for a response, then send it to the next one, and wait, and so on.

[NCCubFan]

I think so, but I'm not sure. I think all teams have the same time window to claim a player and, if more than one team claims the player, the team highest on the waiver order prevails. It would take forever if it went one team at a time (even if each team got only one day if it were one team at a time that would take nearly a month).

[Guest]

So of the three options the team that places the player on waivers has (pulling him back, trying to work out a trade or just giving him + contract to the other team), do they just have to choose one right away or can they try to trade a guy and if that doesn't work out, just give him to the other team?

 

I'd assume they just have to pick one option but I'm not sure.

[biittner77]

So of the three options the team that places the player on waivers has (pulling him back, trying to work out a trade or just giving him + contract to the other team), do they just have to choose one right away or can they try to trade a guy and if that doesn't work out, just give him to the other team?

 

I'd assume they just have to pick one option but I'm not sure.

 

I believe they have until the end of the month to work out a deal but if they can't make a trade they have to either give him to the team that claimed him or pull him back. They can't try to trade him to someone else.