DeRosa a Cardinal (p. 5) + DL'd (p. 13)

[dew1679666265]

Guys on WGN SportsCentral are claiming the Indians called the Cubs before they made the trade to see if the Cubs counter.

 

Which likely means the Cubs had an interest, but couldn't go through with the trade for whatever reason.

 

Whether it's that Hendry didn't want to top the trade, couldn't get the clearance to make it or wanted a little more time, I'm not sure. But the likelihood is that Hendry was interested in bringing back DeRo.

[Tyrant]

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I just downed an entire bottle of Codeine!

[XZero771679666304]

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The only solace I take is knowing he hates wearing that.

[Larry Horse]

Its suprising DeRosa didn't cost the Indians and Cardinals much. But,that should not be used as an indicator of his value to the team. 3 mid level prospects, Chris Perez, or Mark DeRosa,what would you rather have?

 

Its baffling that a team that has a supposed goal of winning the world series had to let go of their closer,second baseman, and a starter to sign a right fielder that averages 100 games a year and to retain a starter coming off a career year.

 

I've heard that the deal is Perez and a choice of three of the Cards top prospects, which Cleveland will choose one.

 

Hendry made a few head-scratching moves last offseason. And now we will truly see what kind of GM he is, because he will no longer be able to throw money at a position to try and solve it. Our entire outfield sucks right now and they are not going anywhere for the foreseeable future.

[Larry Horse]

Personally, I think when Hendry traded DeRosa, he all intentions of getting Peavy. I think the ownership debacle along with Trib declaring bankruptcy put the kibosh on all that. Yes, I know there have been a lot of public comments to the contrary, but I think Hendry was restricted in what future financial commitments could be taken on.

 

Which makes it even more confusing, seeing that starting pitching was not a real big problem.

[ELCABALLO45]

Brewers also made a run at DeRosa, just didn't have the pitching Indians were looking for.

 

I know DeRosa is a good player, but he is quickly becoming the most overrated-underrated player in baseball.

[17 Seconds]

For all the complaints that Hendry never sold high on anyone, he certainly did with DeRosa.

 

Ugh. No, he didn't. "Sold high" implies that you got max value for the guy. Hendry oculdn't even get a major league reliever for DeRosa. He did not sell high. The Indians just got a better package for him than the Cubs got.

 

There are many good things to happen during Hendry's time and I still believe that the good outweighs the bad.

 

I don't even know what to say to that. What good has he done? The only reason we won the division in 07 was because of the terrible division. The 08 team was the only one that was anything special, and he quickly erased that by having an awful, awful offseason after it. Hendry has been given a massive payroll every year, and we're congratulating him because he led us to the playoffs a couple times? Forget the fact that he has killed the organization with bad contracts. Look at the outfield. Soriano has 5 years left after this season in left. Bradley has 2+. Fukudome has 2+. And guess what? All 3 of them have horrible, unmovable contracts. But hey, Soriano helped up win the division a couple times, right! That makes it okay that he has a ridiculously awful contract that is going to hurt the team for another half decade still. We can't upgrade anywhere because most of the poisition are locked in with bad contracts that can't be moved, and we don't have money to spend anyways because he wasted it all on mediocre talent.

 

I can't even begin to fathom the idea of saying that Hendry's good moves have outweighed his negative ones. Before this offseason you may have been able to make that argument. Now it's just ridiculous.

[17 Seconds]

Now the Indians trade DeRosa to the Cardinals what appears to be even less than what Hendry got.

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Not really. At least they got a major league reliever, and Perez is a pretty good prospect. We got 3 mediocre prospects who can't throw strikes. I'd take Perez..... plus they said the PTBNL is a significant factor in the deal.

[17 Seconds]

Many posters favored Dunn or Ibanez over Bradley at the time, but NOBODY doubted he could hit.

 

Umm, many people questioned how well he would hit. Nobody thought he would be this bad, but there was def concern over how good he was, considering he's been like an .830 guy most of his career.

[kjfoster 1553]

:old_givebeer: :fright: :sick: :cry:

 

I just want to cry.

[Sammys Boombox]

I'm still fuming about this. I don't even want to watch baseball for the rest of the year. I know it's June and everything that could go wrong has gone wrong outside of a plane crash killing the whole team, but I just can't see this team actually turning it around. I think they really are a .500 team.

[XZero771679666304]

I'm still fuming about this. I don't even want to watch baseball for the rest of the year. I know it's June and everything that could go wrong has gone wrong outside of a plane crash killing the whole team, but I just can't see this team actually turning it around. I think they really are a .500 team.

 

 

It sucks, but as bad as the Cubs are right now, I still think they have as good a shot as any to win this pitiful division.

[Schwarber Fan]

I'm still fuming about this. I don't even want to watch baseball for the rest of the year. I know it's June and everything that could go wrong has gone wrong outside of a plane crash killing the whole team, but I just can't see this team actually turning it around. I think they really are a .500 team.

 

 

It sucks, but as bad as the Cubs are right now, I still think they have as good a shot as any to win this pitiful division.

 

Easily. We have the best pitching rotation in the division and probably the best lineup too when everyone's hitting at their potential...

 

Soriano: Has finally been hitting the ball better the last 2 games and he owns the Pirates so I expect him to go on a tear

 

Theriot: I wish he'd go back to trying to slap everything to RF while at the same time try to drive it to left field every now and then; he'd be much more effective

 

Bradley: Seems like an automatic K for him whenever he gets to 2 strikes - his timing seems off; I'm holding out that he's gonna pick it up

 

Fox: Still young but when he makes contact, I like his chances

 

Soto: Definitely improving

 

Fontenot: He's definitely better served in a platoon role, so keep him in it with Fox - I really wish we had DeRosa back (shameless thread plug)

 

Fukudome: Against RHP he's fine and at least he draws his walks

 

Blanco: He'll be out of the lineup when Aram comes back and at least he's better than Miles

[DiamondMind]

I'm still fuming about this. I don't even want to watch baseball for the rest of the year. I know it's June and everything that could go wrong has gone wrong outside of a plane crash killing the whole team, but I just can't see this team actually turning it around. I think they really are a .500 team.

 

 

It sucks, but as bad as the Cubs are right now, I still think they have as good a shot as any to win this pitiful division.

 

Yea, I think they can win the division too.

 

As a .500 team.

[CyHawk_Cub]

DeRo....I liked him, but he's no savior, so I don't really care if he's with the Card's. The fact that he was replaced with Aaron Miles, however, now that pisses me off

[manbearcub]

DeRo....I liked him, but he's no savior, so I don't really care if he's with the Card's. The fact that he was replaced with Aaron Miles, however, now that pisses me off

thank you

[Guest]

For all the complaints that Hendry never sold high on anyone, he certainly did with DeRosa.

 

Ugh. No, he didn't. "Sold high" implies that you got max value for the guy. Hendry oculdn't even get a major league reliever for DeRosa. He did not sell high. The Indians just got a better package for him than the Cubs got.

 

You're wrong. Sold high means that you got rid of the player when his value was at its highest or close to it. It doesn't speak to what the team got back in return for a player.

 

The Cubs certainly sold high on DeRosa, but whether he got enough in return is a completely different issue.

[dew1679666265]

For all the complaints that Hendry never sold high on anyone, he certainly did with DeRosa.

 

Ugh. No, he didn't. "Sold high" implies that you got max value for the guy. Hendry oculdn't even get a major league reliever for DeRosa. He did not sell high. The Indians just got a better package for him than the Cubs got.

 

You're wrong. Sold high means that you got rid of the player when his value was at its highest or close to it. It doesn't speak to what the team got back in return for a player.

 

The Cubs certainly sold high on DeRosa, but whether he got enough in return is a completely different issue.

 

Exactly right. If Sam Fuld is called up, hits four home runs in his first four ABs and then is shipped off for a B+ level prospect, that's selling high at its best. The return isn't in the majors yet, but you're never going to get a better deal than that - thus the term "selling high."

[dew1679666265]

Now the Indians trade DeRosa to the Cardinals what appears to be even less than what Hendry got.

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Not really. At least they got a major league reliever, and Perez is a pretty good prospect. We got 3 mediocre prospects who can't throw strikes. I'd take Perez..... plus they said the PTBNL is a significant factor in the deal.

 

I like Perez, but he alone isn't better than the potential of the three guys the Cubs got. If the PTBNL is really good that may change it, but right now what the Cubs got is still better than what the Indians got.

[chuckywang]

HENDRY YOU MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

So what exactly could he have done? The Cubs team doesn't have somebody comparable to Chris Perez. They have pitchers that are worse or better. He can't offer something worse obviously, and something better would have been too high of a price to pay.

[Arnold Layne]

Our lineup is garbage. Even worse is the fact we can't get rid of it.

 

 

Soriano: Has finally been hitting the ball better the last 2 games and he owns the Pirates so I expect him to go on a tear

 

Yeah he's real good against fierce competition.

 

 

Theriot: I wish he'd go back to trying to slap everything to RF while at the same time try to drive it to left field every now and then; he'd be much more effective

 

Like the game winning singles to the other way lately?

 

 

Bradley: Seems like an automatic K for him whenever he gets to 2 strikes - his timing seems off; I'm holding out that he's gonna pick it up

 

Honestly I think his legs are messed up. Wasn't a problem last year since he was a DH.

 

Fox: Still young but when he makes contact, I like his chances

Soto: Definitely improving

 

Good upside for Fox, Soto is looking better.

 

Fontenot: He's definitely better served in a platoon role, so keep him in it with Fox - I really wish we had DeRosa back (shameless thread plug)

 

Font has been a big disappointment.

 

Fukudome: Against RHP he's fine and at least he draws his walks

 

It's getting to the point where the Cubs are going to have to think about grabbing another CF and moving Fuku to a bench role.

 

Blanco: He'll be out of the lineup when Aram comes back and at least he's better than Miles

 

I'll take a one-legged Blanco over Miles.

[Arnold Layne]

HENDRY YOU MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

So what exactly could he have done? The Cubs team doesn't have somebody comparable to Chris Perez. .

 

 

Who's responsible for that?

[questionmarkgrace]

nobody seems to want to mention that three guys we got for Derosa are all playing very well and are quite likely to help the big league club some day in the future.

 

Derosa was as much of a crap shoot as signing Bradley if not more. The guy had a career year at 33 years old only the second time he had played a complete season and that was 06. He could easily have reverted to prior form. I cant be mad at trading him or wood even though we suck now because if Soriano, Bradley, Fontenot, Theriot, Soto, Marmol, and Gregg havent gone on extended stretches of playing like crap we would be fine. Thats 5 of our everyday players slumping or were in a slump, who could have predicted that?

[17 Seconds]

nobody seems to want to mention that three guys we got for Derosa are all playing very well

 

Not really. They have nice ERA's, but they've all been walk machines. Gaub has walked 19 in 30.1 IP. Stevens has walked 19 in 35.2 IP. Archer has walked 36 in 53.1 IP. Those are some really ugly totals. It's hard to get excited about that.

 

Derosa was as much of a crap shoot as signing Bradley if not more.

 

DeRosa didn't get 30 million dollars.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Not really. They have nice ERA's, but they've all been walk machines. Gaub has walked 19 in 30.1 IP. Stevens has walked 19 in 35.2 IP. Archer has walked 36 in 53.1 IP. Those are some really ugly totals. It's hard to get excited about that.

 

Fortunately, they all have struck out enough guys to have a K/BB of at least 2(wait, Stevens is 1 K short, so 1.97 or something), they all carry a BAA under .190, and they've given up a combined 4 HR in 119 IP.

 

Also, whether you want to term it "selling high" or whatever, the Cubs definitely got more in return for DeRosa than the Indians did; and from what we can gather as fans, DeRosa seemed to be a much hotter commodity when he was dealt from Cleveland than when Hendry traded him.