2010 NFL Draft

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If Dallas could close out the draft with something like this

59th- Morgan Burnett

119- John Jerry

125- Brandon Spikes

196- Al Woods

 

I would be ecstatic. I'd also like to get the sister [expletive] from Abeliene Christian if he falls far enough.

[CubbieBum]

If Dallas could close out the draft with something like this

59th- Morgan Burnett

119- John Jerry

125- Brandon Spikes

196- Al Woods

 

I would be ecstatic. I'd also like to get the sister[expletive] from Abeliene Christian if he falls far enough.

 

Brandon Spikes in the 4th would be ridiculous. There's always a chance for someone to fall but that is two rounds lower than almost everyone says he is valued at.

[WrigleyField 22]

If Dallas could close out the draft with something like this

59th- Morgan Burnett

119- John Jerry

125- Brandon Spikes

196- Al Woods

 

I would be ecstatic. I'd also like to get the sister [expletive] from Abeliene Christian if he falls far enough.

 

Brandon Spikes in the 4th would be ridiculous. There's always a chance for someone to fall but that is two rounds lower than almost everyone says he is valued at.

He's as slow as some OT's. He could fall.

[Magnetic Curses]

If Dallas could close out the draft with something like this

59th- Morgan Burnett

119- John Jerry

125- Brandon Spikes

196- Al Woods

 

I would be ecstatic. I'd also like to get the sister [expletive] from Abeliene Christian if he falls far enough.

 

egad, vance

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If Dallas could close out the draft with something like this

59th- Morgan Burnett

119- John Jerry

125- Brandon Spikes

196- Al Woods

 

I would be ecstatic. I'd also like to get the sister [expletive] from Abeliene Christian if he falls far enough.

 

egad, vance

 

yep thought the filter would get it. Had to do it manually.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

News around these parts is abuzz that Saints could send the 64th pick to the Redskins for Haynesworth.

[Tracer Bullet]

If Dallas could close out the draft with something like this

59th- Morgan Burnett

119- John Jerry

125- Brandon Spikes

196- Al Woods

 

I would be ecstatic. I'd also like to get the sister [expletive] from Abeliene Christian if he falls far enough.

 

egad, vance

 

yep thought the filter would get it. Had to do it manually.

 

there's a joke in there, but if you even thought of it, you're going to hell

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btw - did any coach F over a former player as much as Pete Carroll did Taylor Mays? Not only does he pass on him twice, but he takes another safety over him, thereby torpedoing any chance that another team would take Mays for a while.

[SpongeWorthy]

So he should F over his current employer by taking a player he thinks is worse just because he coached him in college?

 

That's a huge reach.

[Andy]

For the 2nd time in 4 years, Charlie Weis's supposed "NFL connections" that respected him so much ended up picking one of his quarterbacks about $20 million worth in guaranteed money worse than original projections indicated. I'd say that was a pretty big [expletive] over.

[SpongeWorthy]

You ND guys have a weird definition of screwing someone over.

 

Unless Weis was deliberately telling people not to take Clausen he didn't screw him over. And if he was telling his own team not to take him, for football reasons, then he was just doing his damn job.

 

Jimmy Clausen, Brady Quinn, and Taylor Mays aren't entitled to be high draft picks, you know.

[shnsajax]

You ND guys have a weird definition of screwing someone over.

 

Unless Weis was deliberately telling people not to take Clausen he didn't screw him over. And if he was telling his own team not to take him, for football reasons, then he was just doing his damn job.

 

Jimmy Clausen, Brady Quinn, and Taylor Mays aren't entitled to be high draft picks, you know.

 

Yeah I don't understand this either. Clausen and Mays had big question marks to begin with. There were projections showing this as a possibility and it happened.

[Andy]

I'm extremely weary of having the same ND arguments, as I've had about 30 in the last 16 hours, but it's pretty obvious that Weis's relationship with NFL people ain't what he thought it was. I didn't mean that he screwed anyone on purpose.

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So he should F over his current employer by taking a player he thinks is worse just because he coached him in college?

 

That's a huge reach.

 

First of all, there are no "you ND guys." My point had nothing to do with Andy's woe-is-me [expletive].

 

My point is by not picking Taylor Mays, Poodle shot red flags up all over the place. Were there questions about Mays and his production on the field (and lack of INTs last year or so)? Yes. Were those questions answered very negatively when his own coach passed on him as the GM of an NFL franchise twice in the first round? I'd say yes. I'm not saying Poodle should screw over Seattle if he thinks Thomas is better than Mays. But I do think it's a funny turn of events, especially when you consider the whiny face he pulled out at Sanchez's PC last year. Poodle's all about Poodle.

 

Weis is completely different. He's not the GM. He's not even the HC. I'm certain he told Pioli that he'd prefer JC as a QB. I'm also certain that Pioli made the decision (or the HC did). If they take Colt McCoy in R2 or even pass on Clausen and take a QB in a later round, you have some questions about Weis' opinion of Clausen. But so far, we know absolutely nothing about whether Weis wanted Clausen yesterday or not.

 

Which ignores the fact that Clausen still likely was better off leaving early than not. He extended his pro career by a year, avoided the rookie salary cap, and if by some chance he's really good in the next year or two, he'll likely make more than he would have under his rookie contract next year (assuming he goes through his senior season without injury and with a great performance, despite trying to learn a new system, that prefers a mobile QB, which he isn't). Clausen didn't get screwed by Weis, or anyone. I think Denver will live to regret taking Tebow yesterday, but such is the flukiness of the NFL.

[Tracer Bullet]

I'm extremely weary of having the same ND arguments, as I've had about 30 in the last 16 hours, but it's pretty obvious that Weis's relationship with NFL people ain't what he thought it was. I didn't mean that he screwed anyone on purpose.

 

How in the world do you know that? Mel fricking Kiper was saying Clausen was a top ten pick just a few days ago and had him as the #4 talent in the draft. If Kiper doesn't foresee the #4 player falling out of R1, how is Weis going to know it?

 

And, oh btw, if you thought there was any chance in hell that Clausen wasn't bolting as early as possible, you're crazy.

[SpongeWorthy]

So he should F over his current employer by taking a player he thinks is worse just because he coached him in college?

 

That's a huge reach.

 

First of all, there are no "you ND guys." My point had nothing to do with Andy's woe-is-me [expletive].

 

My point is by not picking Taylor Mays, Poodle shot red flags up all over the place. Were there questions about Mays and his production on the field (and lack of INTs last year or so)? Yes. Were those questions answered very negatively when his own coach passed on him as the GM of an NFL franchise twice in the first round? I'd say yes. I'm not saying Poodle should screw over Seattle if he thinks Thomas is better than Mays. But I do think it's a funny turn of events, especially when you consider the whiny face he pulled out at Sanchez's PC last year. Poodle's all about Poodle.

 

Weis is completely different. He's not the GM. He's not even the HC. I'm certain he told Pioli that he'd prefer JC as a QB. I'm also certain that Pioli made the decision (or the HC did). If they take Colt McCoy in R2 or even pass on Clausen and take a QB in a later round, you have some questions about Weis' opinion of Clausen. But so far, we know absolutely nothing about whether Weis wanted Clausen yesterday or not.

 

Which ignores the fact that Clausen still likely was better off leaving early than not. He extended his pro career by a year, avoided the rookie salary cap, and if by some chance he's really good in the next year or two, he'll likely make more than he would have under his rookie contract next year (assuming he goes through his senior season without injury and with a great performance, despite trying to learn a new system, that prefers a mobile QB, which he isn't). Clausen didn't get screwed by Weis, or anyone. I think Denver will live to regret taking Tebow yesterday, but such is the flukiness of the NFL.

 

So basically, anything short of Carroll drafting Taylor Mays is screwing him over.

 

How extremely convenient for your negative opinion of him.

[Tracer Bullet]

So he should F over his current employer by taking a player he thinks is worse just because he coached him in college?

 

That's a huge reach.

 

First of all, there are no "you ND guys." My point had nothing to do with Andy's woe-is-me [expletive].

 

My point is by not picking Taylor Mays, Poodle shot red flags up all over the place. Were there questions about Mays and his production on the field (and lack of INTs last year or so)? Yes. Were those questions answered very negatively when his own coach passed on him as the GM of an NFL franchise twice in the first round? I'd say yes. I'm not saying Poodle should screw over Seattle if he thinks Thomas is better than Mays. But I do think it's a funny turn of events, especially when you consider the whiny face he pulled out at Sanchez's PC last year. Poodle's all about Poodle.

 

Weis is completely different. He's not the GM. He's not even the HC. I'm certain he told Pioli that he'd prefer JC as a QB. I'm also certain that Pioli made the decision (or the HC did). If they take Colt McCoy in R2 or even pass on Clausen and take a QB in a later round, you have some questions about Weis' opinion of Clausen. But so far, we know absolutely nothing about whether Weis wanted Clausen yesterday or not.

 

Which ignores the fact that Clausen still likely was better off leaving early than not. He extended his pro career by a year, avoided the rookie salary cap, and if by some chance he's really good in the next year or two, he'll likely make more than he would have under his rookie contract next year (assuming he goes through his senior season without injury and with a great performance, despite trying to learn a new system, that prefers a mobile QB, which he isn't). Clausen didn't get screwed by Weis, or anyone. I think Denver will live to regret taking Tebow yesterday, but such is the flukiness of the NFL.

 

So basically, anything short of Carroll drafting Taylor Mays is screwing him over.

 

How extremely convenient for your negative opinion of him.

 

Well, pretty much, yes. It may have been unavoidable for Carroll, but that was certainly the result of passing on him twice (and once for a safety). Sometimes you have no choice but to screw someone over, but what would you call it?

 

It would have been hilarious if Thomas hadn't fallen and Seattle drafted Clausen over Mays, which was the rumor I heard today.

[SpongeWorthy]

So he should F over his current employer by taking a player he thinks is worse just because he coached him in college?

 

That's a huge reach.

 

First of all, there are no "you ND guys." My point had nothing to do with Andy's woe-is-me [expletive].

 

My point is by not picking Taylor Mays, Poodle shot red flags up all over the place. Were there questions about Mays and his production on the field (and lack of INTs last year or so)? Yes. Were those questions answered very negatively when his own coach passed on him as the GM of an NFL franchise twice in the first round? I'd say yes. I'm not saying Poodle should screw over Seattle if he thinks Thomas is better than Mays. But I do think it's a funny turn of events, especially when you consider the whiny face he pulled out at Sanchez's PC last year. Poodle's all about Poodle.

 

Weis is completely different. He's not the GM. He's not even the HC. I'm certain he told Pioli that he'd prefer JC as a QB. I'm also certain that Pioli made the decision (or the HC did). If they take Colt McCoy in R2 or even pass on Clausen and take a QB in a later round, you have some questions about Weis' opinion of Clausen. But so far, we know absolutely nothing about whether Weis wanted Clausen yesterday or not.

 

Which ignores the fact that Clausen still likely was better off leaving early than not. He extended his pro career by a year, avoided the rookie salary cap, and if by some chance he's really good in the next year or two, he'll likely make more than he would have under his rookie contract next year (assuming he goes through his senior season without injury and with a great performance, despite trying to learn a new system, that prefers a mobile QB, which he isn't). Clausen didn't get screwed by Weis, or anyone. I think Denver will live to regret taking Tebow yesterday, but such is the flukiness of the NFL.

 

So basically, anything short of Carroll drafting Taylor Mays is screwing him over.

 

How extremely convenient for your negative opinion of him.

 

Well, pretty much, yes. It may have been unavoidable for Carroll, but that was certainly the result of passing on him twice (and once for a safety). Sometimes you have no choice but to screw someone over, but what would you call it?

 

It would have been hilarious if Thomas hadn't fallen and Seattle drafted Clausen over Mays, which was the rumor I heard today.

 

I would say that the fact that Carroll didn't draft Taylor Mays only factors into the warped calculus of nutty USC fans who think Trojan players walk on water and people looking for dumb reasons to hate Carroll. It's seriously a non-issue for anyone who has a sane perception of how a football team should be run.

 

And you're reaching even more if you think anyone would've accused Carroll of anything for drafting Clausen over Mays. FFS, one's a quarterback and one's a safety; I'm sure people could look past the ND/USC rivalry.

[Tracer Bullet]

So he should F over his current employer by taking a player he thinks is worse just because he coached him in college?

 

That's a huge reach.

 

First of all, there are no "you ND guys." My point had nothing to do with Andy's woe-is-me [expletive].

 

My point is by not picking Taylor Mays, Poodle shot red flags up all over the place. Were there questions about Mays and his production on the field (and lack of INTs last year or so)? Yes. Were those questions answered very negatively when his own coach passed on him as the GM of an NFL franchise twice in the first round? I'd say yes. I'm not saying Poodle should screw over Seattle if he thinks Thomas is better than Mays. But I do think it's a funny turn of events, especially when you consider the whiny face he pulled out at Sanchez's PC last year. Poodle's all about Poodle.

 

Weis is completely different. He's not the GM. He's not even the HC. I'm certain he told Pioli that he'd prefer JC as a QB. I'm also certain that Pioli made the decision (or the HC did). If they take Colt McCoy in R2 or even pass on Clausen and take a QB in a later round, you have some questions about Weis' opinion of Clausen. But so far, we know absolutely nothing about whether Weis wanted Clausen yesterday or not.

 

Which ignores the fact that Clausen still likely was better off leaving early than not. He extended his pro career by a year, avoided the rookie salary cap, and if by some chance he's really good in the next year or two, he'll likely make more than he would have under his rookie contract next year (assuming he goes through his senior season without injury and with a great performance, despite trying to learn a new system, that prefers a mobile QB, which he isn't). Clausen didn't get screwed by Weis, or anyone. I think Denver will live to regret taking Tebow yesterday, but such is the flukiness of the NFL.

 

So basically, anything short of Carroll drafting Taylor Mays is screwing him over.

 

How extremely convenient for your negative opinion of him.

 

Well, pretty much, yes. It may have been unavoidable for Carroll, but that was certainly the result of passing on him twice (and once for a safety). Sometimes you have no choice but to screw someone over, but what would you call it?

 

It would have been hilarious if Thomas hadn't fallen and Seattle drafted Clausen over Mays, which was the rumor I heard today.

 

I would say that the fact that Carroll didn't draft Taylor Mays only factors into the warped calculus of nutty USC fans who think Trojan players walk on water and people looking for dumb reasons to hate Carroll. It's seriously a non-issue for anyone who has a sane perception of how a football team should be run.

 

And you're reaching even more if you think anyone would've accused Carroll of anything for drafting Clausen over Mays. FFS, one's a quarterback and one's a safety; I'm sure people could look past the ND/USC rivalry.

 

The result of the Thomas pick was very bad for Mays. Carroll runs the franchise and made the pick, so he caused the negative result for Mays. Doing something that has a very negative outcome for one of your former players, even if its in your current team's best interest, is screwing them over, in my book. Why that offends you, I don't know. It's not like I'm accusing Carroll of trading 4 draft picks to move up and take Tim Tebow.

 

And I wasn't suggesting anyone would accuse Carroll of anything for picking Clausen. I just thought it would have been funny. But it can't be you that's taking the jaded viewpoint here. Must be me, I guess.

[SpongeWorthy]

I guess you're right.

 

All these years later and all anyone can talk about is how Jimmy Johnson screwed over his college QB, Steve Walsh, by drafting Troy Aikman over him.

[dew1679666265]

1. I think the Titans will be happier with Morgan and they lucked out by not taking JPP. He just seems like a high risk/high reward guy that could very easily bust. Morgan will be good, I'm sure.

 

I would have felt pretty good about Jim Washburn coaching up JPP, but I'm still glad we got the much safer Morgan. His upside isn't as great, but it's nothing to ignore either.

[dew1679666265]

Other values: Dan Williams, Bulaga, Dez Bryant

 

I should have mentioned Bryant, he was a good value there.

 

Lions trading up to take Best when the teams between them (Colts, Saints, Rams) were clearly not going to take him and were not likely to trade down.

 

Yeah, that didn't make a lot of sense. Maybe they thought the Saints would look to take him?

[dew1679666265]

2nd and 3rd rounds tomorrow?

 

Yep. Starts at 6 p.m. CST.

 

5 p.m. central.

 

Weird. I've been thinking it started at 7 p.m. EST for a while now. Does the draft itself start at 6 (5 cst) or is that ESPN's coverage?

[CubbieBum]

If you think teams sat and said, "Well Carroll didn't take Mays at 14 and took a different safety and therefore Mays must not be very good," then you don't know how teams work. Teams are arrogant in their own opinions (just look at the Jags) and other teams opinions matter very little if at all. Every team evaluates the prospects on their own and they draft based on their opinions and not another teams coach.

 

This is made pretty obvious every year by teams reaching for some guys and passing on others that the consensus says they should draft. Teams are not looking at what other teams are doing on draft day and adjusting their rankings based on who passes on who.

[dew1679666265]

I bet the Raiders pick workout warrior Bruce Campbell today.

 

I think he'd actually be a good pick for a team in the 2nd round. Lots of potential and could be a terrific value.

 

I'd be fine if the Titans traded up for him.