2008-09 NBA Playoffs

[SouthSideRyan]

They are 3-1 the last two years against the Cavs and LeBron doesn't do well against us.

 

Anyways the Rockets 0-4 to Lakers is very misleading and incomplete. Only one of those games were played with the current Rockets team.

 

You didn't seriously put those 2 sentences back to back did you?

[wolf stansson]

I don't see how the Rockets against Lakers has anything to do with how the Rockets would do against the Cavs.

It has to do with your asinine "The Rockets do better against teams with superstars" theory.

 

Only in game three was it this current Rockets team and we lost by 6 points when Artest shot 4 of 16.

Ok well, LeBron had an uncommonly bad shooting game in one game against your boys, so that doesn't count either. You should be 0-2 against them this year by that reasoning.

 

They are 3-1 the last two years against the Cavs and LeBron doesn't do well against us.

 

Anyways the Rockets 0-4 to Lakers is very misleading and incomplete. Only one of those games were played with the current Rockets team.

 

You didn't seriously put those 2 sentences back to back did you?

Yes. Yes he did.

 

 

Seriously cbum, you're really, really reaching here. I'm not sure why you want to convince yourself you're being anything other than a homer. Please just save your energy. Also, let me know when that sig is gone so I can unblock photobucket images.

[CubbieBum]

I don't see how the Rockets against Lakers has anything to do with how the Rockets would do against the Cavs.

It has to do with your asinine "The Rockets do better against teams with superstars" theory.

 

Only in game three was it this current Rockets team and we lost by 6 points when Artest shot 4 of 16.

Ok well, LeBron had an uncommonly bad shooting game in one game against your boys, so that doesn't count either. You should be 0-2 against them this year by that reasoning.

 

They are 3-1 the last two years against the Cavs and LeBron doesn't do well against us.

 

Anyways the Rockets 0-4 to Lakers is very misleading and incomplete. Only one of those games were played with the current Rockets team.

 

You didn't seriously put those 2 sentences back to back did you?

Yes. Yes he did.

 

 

Seriously cbum, you're really, really reaching here. I'm not sure why you want to convince yourself you're being anything other than a homer. Please just save your energy. Also, let me know when that sig is gone so I can unblock photobucket images.

 

The Rockets are one of the best teams at shutting down a superstar. If you don't want to see that then so be it but the fact remains.

 

I don't see how I'm being a homer when I say the Rockets will likely lose to the Lakers. The Lakers aren't a very good matchup for the Rockets because they are one of the few teams with the height and bench depth to beat the Rockets consistently.

 

The Cavs don't have that and LeBron will have as tough of a time scoring on the Rockets than any team. I'm not saying the Rockets will dominate the Cavs. I'm saying in a 7 game series the Rockets would have a good chance of winning because the Cavs don't matchup well with the Rockets. I can keep going back on this to the year the Rockets acquired Battier. In the three years the Rockets have had Battier LeBron has averaged 26.5 points on 42.7% shooting, 7.8 rebounds, 5.7 assists and 4 turnovers. Obviously still an impressive stat line but all of those, except rebounding, are worse than his career averages and quite a bit below his averages over the last three seasons. The Rockets are 4-2 in those 6 games too. We also now have Artest which can only help in defending LeBron.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If it were so easy to force LeBron into shooting jumpers or to let other players on the team try to beat you, the Cavaliers wouldn't have won 66 games.

[TruffleShuffle]

Also, let me know when that sig is gone so I can unblock photobucket images.

 

agreed, let me know as well.

[CubbieBum]

If it were so easy to force LeBron into shooting jumpers or to let other players on the team try to beat you, the Cavaliers wouldn't have won 66 games.

 

Who said it was easy? LeBron is the most unstoppable player perhaps ever because of his speed, height and ridiculous strength. The Rockets are capable of making LeBron work for his points and not shoot a very good percentage. They won't ever stop him completely but no one else in the league has two of the best perimeter defenders in the league to have him marked at all times.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If it were so easy to force LeBron into shooting jumpers or to let other players on the team try to beat you, the Cavaliers wouldn't have won 66 games.

 

Who said it was easy?

 

You said the Rockets have a good chance of winning a series against a team that has home court advantage and won 80% of their games.

[CubbieBum]

If it were so easy to force LeBron into shooting jumpers or to let other players on the team try to beat you, the Cavaliers wouldn't have won 66 games.

 

Who said it was easy?

 

You said the Rockets have a good chance of winning a series against a team that has home court advantage and won 80% of their games.

 

Yes I did. That's far from easy. You do know that teams match up differently with one another right? The Rockets are one of the few teams that matchup well with the Cavs. Based on how the teams have done against each other in recent years its rather obvious the Cavs don't do well against the Rockets.

[Derwood]

I don't think CubbieBum has watched any Cavs games outside the two against the Rockets. To say that LeBron is the only scoring option and that they have no bench is patently false

[CubbieBum]

I don't think CubbieBum has watched any Cavs games outside the two against the Rockets. To say that LeBron is the only scoring option and that they have no bench is patently false

 

I've seen plenty of Cavs games including one in person this season. Mo Williams is a big improvement from what LeBron has had in the past and is the guy capable of consistently punishing the Rockets if they focus on LeBron too much. However, like the article I posted before the Rockets are able to consistently cover the second option even when rotating towards LeBron. I really don't understand why everyone refusing to do the research and see that the Cavs don't do well against the Rockets. Yes they won 66 games but that doesn't mean they dominated every team. Some teams are just built in a way that causes problems for even the best of teams. Utah is that for the Rockets. The Rockets are that for the Cavs and they have proved it over the years. The Rockets and Cavs have actually played each other with their current teams and rotations this year and the Rockets won by 19. Earlier in the season the Cavs beat the Rockets by 9. You all need to quit just looking at how the Cavs won 66 games and think its impossible for any team other than the Lakers to beat them. Any 50+ win team is capable of beating another.

[CubbieBum]

Even with Kobe and the rest of the Lakers shooting some ridiculous 80% or thereabouts in the first quarter the Rockets have the lead a couple minutes before halftime. Rockets bench (Landry included BTFU!) are dominating right now.

[CubbieBum]

Kobe better get a damn suspension. Two games in a row he has thrown a deliberate elbow.

[Mike Aller]

Kobe better get a damn suspension. Two games in a row he has thrown a deliberate elbow.

A suspension for that? That could be ruled as a box out or something. That wont be a suspension. No way. Especially not on Kobe. That said, this series is going to be awesome.

[CubbieBum]

Kobe better get a damn suspension. Two games in a row he has thrown a deliberate elbow.

A suspension for that? That could be ruled as a box out or something. That wont be a suspension. No way. Especially not on Kobe. That said, this series is going to be awesome.

 

Add in what he did last game and it should be. It was a box out until he cocked the elbow back and threw it at Artest. Kobe throws elbows more than anyone which why he has been suspended for it in the past. He had his elbow up at Artest chest, had him boxed out but then right as the ball was coming he cocked the elbow back so he could hit Artest.

 

Fisher is definitely gone for at least a game though.

[Guest]

I wish Kobe played in the 1980s, that piece of [expletive] wouldn't have survived.

[Mike Aller]

They really called a foul on Battier there? I understand they're trying to get "control of the game" but sweet jesus that was one of the sissiest fouls I've ever seen called.

[CubbieBum]

I wish Kobe played in the 1980s, that piece of [expletive] wouldn't have survived.

 

Just thinking about it right now this shows the one of the major flaws with Kobe. Unlike others he uses his superstar status to not get away with fouls but to get away with dirty, trying to injury a guy fouls. Jordan, LeBron ... etc. have too much class to throw elbows and the such.

[illiniguy]

I wish Kobe played in the 1980s, that piece of [expletive] wouldn't have survived.

 

Just thinking about it right now this shows the one of the major flaws with Kobe. Unlike others he uses his superstar status to not get away with fouls but to get away with dirty, trying to injury a guy fouls. Jordan, LeBron ... etc. have too much class to throw elbows and the such.

Yep Jordan was all class all the time, just ask Steve Kerr and Danny Ferry. Or for craps and giggles ask Dennis Hopson what he thinks about MJ.

[CubbieBum]

I wish Kobe played in the 1980s, that piece of [expletive] wouldn't have survived.

 

Just thinking about it right now this shows the one of the major flaws with Kobe. Unlike others he uses his superstar status to not get away with fouls but to get away with dirty, trying to injury a guy fouls. Jordan, LeBron ... etc. have too much class to throw elbows and the such.

Yep Jordan was all class all the time, just ask Steve Kerr and Danny Ferry. Or for craps and giggles ask Dennis Hopson what he thinks about MJ.

 

To my knowledge, and I was 13 when Jordan retired the 2nd time, Jordan didn't throw elbows. He grabbed jerseys and the such, which a lot of guys have done, but he didn't try to hurt guys by throwing elbows.

[Guest]

Kobe better get a damn suspension. Two games in a row he has thrown a deliberate elbow.

A suspension for that? That could be ruled as a box out or something. That wont be a suspension. No way. Especially not on Kobe. That said, this series is going to be awesome.

 

Add in what he did last game and it should be. It was a box out until he cocked the elbow back and threw it at Artest. Kobe throws elbows more than anyone which why he has been suspended for it in the past. He had his elbow up at Artest chest, had him boxed out but then right as the ball was coming he cocked the elbow back so he could hit Artest.

 

Fisher is definitely gone for at least a game though.

 

Why do you continue to ignore past precedent? You ignored what I said after the Game 1 elbow you were complaining about so I'll repeat the same name.

 

RAJON RONDO.

 

I'm not going to lie and say Kobe's elbow wasn't intentional, because it very well may have been. I'd go so far as to say it probably was. But what Rondo did to Brad Miller and Kirk Hinrich in successive games was easily worse than what Kobe's done. So if Rondo, who isn't considered a star player, doesn't get suspended, do you really think Kobe, who is a star, is going to be? I also don't think it was so blatant that he should be suspended.

 

With Fisher, though, I wouldn't be surprised if he did get suspended.

[Mike Aller]

can someone .gif the fisher play?

[CubbieBum]

Kobe better get a damn suspension. Two games in a row he has thrown a deliberate elbow.

A suspension for that? That could be ruled as a box out or something. That wont be a suspension. No way. Especially not on Kobe. That said, this series is going to be awesome.

 

Add in what he did last game and it should be. It was a box out until he cocked the elbow back and threw it at Artest. Kobe throws elbows more than anyone which why he has been suspended for it in the past. He had his elbow up at Artest chest, had him boxed out but then right as the ball was coming he cocked the elbow back so he could hit Artest.

 

Fisher is definitely gone for at least a game though.

 

Why do you continue to ignore past precedent? You ignored what I said after the Game 1 elbow you were complaining about so I'll repeat the same name.

 

RAJON RONDO.

 

I'm not going to lie and say Kobe's elbow wasn't intentional, because it very well may have been. I'd go so far as to say it probably was. But what Rondo did to Brad Miller and Kirk Hinrich in successive games was easily worse than what Kobe's done. So if Rondo, who isn't considered a star player, doesn't get suspended, do you really think Kobe, who is a star, is going to be? I also don't think it was so blatant that he should be suspended.

 

With Fisher, though, I wouldn't be surprised if he did get suspended.

 

Take some of your own advise and reread what I have posted.

 

He probably won't suspend Kobe.

 

Maybe you are taking my use of "should" wrong but I said Kobe should be suspended for throwing an intentional elbow in two straight games (just as he was a couple years ago when he did it out on the perimeter). There's a difference between saying someone should be and actually believing he will be.

[Guest]

Oh, and how are we ignoring how much of a wuss Luis Scola is?

 

I mean, I know Derek Fisher isn't exactly tiny for a point guard. But come on, how does a 6-9, 245 PF go down like that (*cough* flop *cough*) against a 6-1, 210 PG?

[CubbieBum]

Oh, and how are we ignoring how much of a wuss Luis Scola is?

 

I mean, I know Derek Fisher isn't exactly tiny for a point guard. But come on, how does a 6-9, 245 PF go down like that (*cough* flop *cough*) against a 6-1, 210 PG?

 

The same way Bob Sanders can consistently lay out RB's bigger than him. Scola for one wasn't braced for it, was caught of guard, and Fisher threw full force into him.

[Guest]

Oh, and how are we ignoring how much of a wuss Luis Scola is?

 

I mean, I know Derek Fisher isn't exactly tiny for a point guard. But come on, how does a 6-9, 245 PF go down like that (*cough* flop *cough*) against a 6-1, 210 PG?

 

The same way Bob Sanders can consistently lay out RB's bigger than him. Scola for one wasn't braced for it, was caught of guard, and Fisher threw full force into him.

 

Bob Sanders is also running hard when he hits most of those guys that he lays out. Fisher took a step or two and flattened Scola.

 

This is the equivalent of Bob Sanders laying out a Jeremy Shockey or Kellen Winslow, not a running back.