Cubs keep Patton, Guzman

[Proven Veteran]

Gaudin is only a year older than Patton, and a year and a half younger than Guzman. I would have liked to see him get a chance to turn it around for the Cubs.

 

Supposedly the Cubs kept Guzman to use in a Peavy trade. :glare:

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Gaudin stunk it up as soon as he got here.

 

No he didn't. He was awesome for about the first month. In his first 14.2 innings with the Cubs he gave up 3 ER, 9 hits, 3 walks, and had 18 k's. Then he kind of fell apart after the injury.

 

They just got rid of a proven league average swingman for a 24 year reliever who can't even get guys out in A+, just because of spring training numbers.

 

No, they got rid of him because of how god awful he was soon after arriving here throughout the end of the season and the horrific spring, and the fact that he injured himself while drunk, thus entering Piniella's doghouse.

 

A) I just explained that he wasn't bad for the first month with the Cubs. He was very good

 

B) This "he got into Lou's doghouse because he fell down when he was drunk supposedly" BS has to stop. we've already been over this. you're completely speculating ans basically making things up by trying to act like it's a fact. just like when you claimed that if a guy falls down while drunk that means he automatically has a drinking problem, even if he doesn't drink often.

 

how do you know he was in lou's "doghouse" for that supposed incident? do you have anything to back that up? maybe he was in lou's "doghouse" because, you know, he stopped being good.

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i haven't seen a whole lot of patton, but i find it hard to believe that a guy who posted whips of 1.38 and 1.58 the last two seasons as a 24/25 year old in high A has better "stuff" than gaudin.

 

Heilman is 1.33 career and 1.59 last year, and people insist that he's got great stuff. Clement's WHIP was always high despite great "stuff". I don't think a high WHIP corrrelates to lesser stuff.

 

05- 1.15

06- 1.16

07- 1.07

 

I think those are the WHIPs people are looking at when talking about Heilman

[jersey cubs fan]

A) I just explained that he wasn't bad for the first month with the Cubs. He was very good

 

B) This "he got into Lou's doghouse because he fell down when he was drunk supposedly" BS has to stop. we've already been over this. you're completely speculating ans basically making things up by trying to act like it's a fact. just like when you claimed that if a guy falls down while drunk that means he automatically has a drinking problem, even if he doesn't drink often.

 

how do you know he was in lou's "doghouse" for that supposed incident? do you have anything to back that up? maybe he was in lou's "doghouse" because, you know, he stopped being good.

 

You can explain all you want, but after being okay to start (although he gave up a run in his first outings and Lou is all about first impressions) he sucked the rest of the way. His numbers with the Cubs were awful, and they continued into this spring. There's no explaining around that.

 

Why does it have to stop? Because you don't want to hear it? Too bad. I'm not speculating about anything, I'm just repeating what was reported at the time. Chad had a mysterious back injury that people who followed the team said was the result of a drunken evening.