Post Draft discussion

[cbbryan]

I believe what we actually said before the draft started is that somebody that's never played in the major leagues before but is expected to make an opening day roster can be drafted for the major league roster, but must be dropped if he doesn't make the opening day roster. But players couldn't be drafted for the minor league roster until the prospect draft. So that would mean (if I recall the previous discussion correctly) that Tim could draft him now, put him on the major league roster, and be out of luck if he gets sent to the minors to open the season. Alternatively, if nobody drafted him for their major league roster, somebody could have taken him in the prospect draft and put him on the minor league roster.

 

I think that is correct. I would assume this means one cannot draft someone in the major league draft and put them in the minors for roster legality.

 

I think this move is perfectly fine if we're beyond both drafts and one selects a player off of waivers, but it's not allowed when there are limitations on rosters in the preseason.

[Guest]

Am I the only one that actually reads the rules? :)

 

The major league draft will be 12 rounds held over multiple days. You have 24 hours to make your pick but we need to move faster than that whenever possible. If you cannot make your pick for some reason, let me know - you can call me at 916-335-7044 if necessary. You can also queue players and let the draft robot make your pick.

 

You can only pick players who have made a major league appearance (on a roster not in a game) or who will be an opening day roster (at your risk).

 

There will be a separate 3 round minor league draft carried out on NSBB. Draft order will be the same as the major league draft (except picks will not have been traded). I will post a thread for this draft. You will also have 24 hours to respond or forfeit your pick. If you see a potential problem with this, let me know. We can suspend the draft over weekends.

 

Lemme know where it says which part of your roster you can or can't place the players on. It exactly describes the pool of players to pick from, it says nothing about how to roster them once selected.

[rawaction]

Am I the only one that actually reads the rules? :)

 

The major league draft will be 12 rounds held over multiple days. You have 24 hours to make your pick but we need to move faster than that whenever possible. If you cannot make your pick for some reason, let me know - you can call me at 916-335-7044 if necessary. You can also queue players and let the draft robot make your pick.

 

You can only pick players who have made a major league appearance (on a roster not in a game) or who will be an opening day roster (at your risk).

 

There will be a separate 3 round minor league draft carried out on NSBB. Draft order will be the same as the major league draft (except picks will not have been traded). I will post a thread for this draft. You will also have 24 hours to respond or forfeit your pick. If you see a potential problem with this, let me know. We can suspend the draft over weekends.

 

Lemme know where it says which part of your roster you can or can't place the players on. It exactly describes the pool of players to pick from, it says nothing about how to roster them once selected.

 

Nobody has suggested that it was against the rules, just that it was against the spirit of the rules.

[abuck1220]

neither is me not being allowed to deem ben sheets "injured" even though he's clearly injured.

[tadowdaddy]

neither is me not being allowed to deem ben sheets "injured" even though he's clearly injured.

 

 

Are you still crying about this?

[Guest]

Am I the only one that actually reads the rules? :)

 

The major league draft will be 12 rounds held over multiple days. You have 24 hours to make your pick but we need to move faster than that whenever possible. If you cannot make your pick for some reason, let me know - you can call me at 916-335-7044 if necessary. You can also queue players and let the draft robot make your pick.

 

You can only pick players who have made a major league appearance (on a roster not in a game) or who will be an opening day roster (at your risk).

 

There will be a separate 3 round minor league draft carried out on NSBB. Draft order will be the same as the major league draft (except picks will not have been traded). I will post a thread for this draft. You will also have 24 hours to respond or forfeit your pick. If you see a potential problem with this, let me know. We can suspend the draft over weekends.

 

Lemme know where it says which part of your roster you can or can't place the players on. It exactly describes the pool of players to pick from, it says nothing about how to roster them once selected.

 

Nobody has suggested that it was against the rules, just that it was against the spirit of the rules.

No, what NC wrote is that what I did was against the rules. He added in his flawed interpretation or memory of the rules and stated that what I did was not what was agreed to.

 

What I have subsequently pointed out is that what I did conformed exactly to the rules of the draft as they were stated. The rules (nor the discussion at the time - it is all there for pulling up and if anyone can quote discussion to the contrary I'll cede the point) clearly do not limit how to roster the players once they are selected -- that is handled by the rules of the league.

 

I am as free to determine the "spirit" of the rules as anyone else here but Juan. My interpretation was that it was very clear that what was being attempted was to ensure we were not picking the Tim Beckhams of the world so that everyone would have an equal chance to draft those players instead of the people who were able to fill up their rosters the fastest. There was no intention to prescribe how people were able to utilize the eligible players for this draft since that's already well covered by the rules of the league. Unless anyone can find evidence to the contrary, my interpretation of the spirit of the rules is just as valid as yours, nc's or others. Heck, during the draft I had discussions with several people about who I was thinking of picking and why and they saw things the same way. I'm not even the only one who did this -- UK also picked players to put on his minor league roster.

 

In the end, I'll of course abide by whatever Juan says (though he already said I could put Kawakami on my minor league roster if I so chose). But I'm not sure why anyone feels they have more right to determine the "spirit" of the rules than anyone else unless it was directly discussed. Like I say, it's a message board, nothing was deleted, show me where it was talked about and I'll abide by it even if I don't have to based on the rule or the ruling.

 

I'm not trying to be an ass here (though I may be succeeding without trying), I just feel that I'm right with what I'm saying here. Again, I'm plenty happy to be proven wrong and I'll make changes accordingly and without complaint if I am.

[Guest]

Here's the thread where I can see some people got their ideas from. Mainly NC and Chuck since they both made suggestions about roster limitations. However, it's also pretty clear from the discussion that the idea was never clearly adopted by everyone and that it didn't make its way into the rules.

 

Whatever, I guess. Let me know if I need to keep both Kawakami and Gio (unless he gets sent to the minors to start the season) on my major league roster all year long. Or drop them. Or whatever.

[rawaction]

Tim, with all due respect, the "spirit" of the rules seem to mostly have to be interpreted due to you. It was previously, trading a draft pick for a keeper. Last year you asked if you could pick up someone who had negative points in order to take down your keeper total so you could add someone else. There have been others, but now there's this.

 

Maybe you are a better GM than all the other managers in the league, but it certainly seems as if you are constantly trying to find ways to find gray areas in the rules.

 

Personally, I say more power to you. If you are smart enough to think of it first, good for you. But don't be surprised if people take exception to it and question the "fairness" of your actions.

[Guest]

Last year you asked if you could pick up someone who had negative points in order to take down your keeper total so you could add someone else.

Let's be fair...that one was in jest! :D

[NCCubFan]

No, what NC wrote is that what I did was against the rules. He added in his flawed interpretation or memory of the rules and stated that what I did was not what was agreed to.

My memory of what was explicitly stated was correct. My interpretation may well be flawed. I remembered the rule that, if you draft a player who has yet to play in the major leagues and he doesn't make an opening day roster, then you have to release him. I was reading into that (quite possibly incorrectly) that he then has to be carried on the major league roster. But you correctly pointed out that wasn't stated; I was just reading between the lines.

[cbbryan]

Here's the thread where I can see some people got their ideas from. Mainly NC and Chuck since they both made suggestions about roster limitations. However, it's also pretty clear from the discussion that the idea was never clearly adopted by everyone and that it didn't make its way into the rules.

 

Whatever, I guess. Let me know if I need to keep both Kawakami and Gio (unless he gets sent to the minors to start the season) on my major league roster all year long. Or drop them. Or whatever.

 

 

I don't care either way, honestly. I'm just throwing my opinion out there. I just think the move is a bit shady, but certainly creative as well.

[abuck1220]

neither is me not being allowed to deem ben sheets "injured" even though he's clearly injured.

 

 

Are you still crying about this?

 

well, you got to break the rule you wanted to break, so you don't have anything to cry about.

 

 

once again, i think it's pretty obvious that tim gets to keep the japanese guy on his minor league roster (unless he starts out in the minors). believe me, if i thought there was an argument that would prevent tim from having success, i'd be all over it...this one is just clear cut.

[Guest]

Am I the only one that actually reads the rules? :)

 

 

Please read Rule VII.

[Guest]

Am I the only one that actually reads the rules? :)

 

 

Please read Rule VII.

Again, if you feel I'm being unfair here, let me know and I'll happily abide by your decision.

[Guest]

Am I the only one that actually reads the rules? :)

 

 

Please read Rule VII.

Again, if you feel I'm being unfair here, let me know and I'll happily abide by your decision.

 

 

I'm mostly kidding - but you can see that many people think you are exploiting a loophole. I seriously doubt there is much impact longterm. And the rule is now changed.

[abuck1220]

liriano 4 ip, 0 h, 0 bb, 5 k's

hanson 4 ip, 4 h, 1 bb, 1 er, 7 k's

 

stay healthy and good please.