The Man Who Warned Baseball About Steroids

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm sorry, I feel so stupid for buying into it this whole time. Which one of you regulars has pulled off this Voice of Reason character for the past couple years? Cause, really just bravo.

[Derwood]

I'm sorry, I feel so stupid for buying into it this whole time. Which one of you regulars has pulled off this Voice of Reason character for the past couple years? Cause, really just bravo.

 

I like the magical 50 HR line of steroid/non steroid delineation he made up. No, Hank Aaron never hit 50 HR. He DID hit 47 homers at age 37 (and 40 at age 39), but since he didn't cross 50, he has not shattered the integrity of the game.

[Sammy Sofa]

Remarkable power surge for Mr. Aaron in his twilight years. Guess since the rock solid evidence of "his head looks bigger" and "man, he got huge" aren't present, that's not questionable at all.

[The Voice of Reason]

Remarkable power surge for Mr. Aaron in his twilight years. Guess since the rock solid evidence of "his head looks bigger" and "man, he got huge" aren't present, that's not questionable at all.

 

 

Well, if you actually look actually look at his numbers, he was pretty consistent throughout his career.

[Derwood]

Remarkable power surge for Mr. Aaron in his twilight years. Guess since the rock solid evidence of "his head looks bigger" and "man, he got huge" aren't present, that's not questionable at all.

 

 

Well, if you actually look actually look at his numbers, he was pretty consistent throughout his career.

 

which is the problem, as most power hitters don't stay "consistent" into their late 30's. He didn't really drop off power-wise until his 40's

[The Voice of Reason]

I'm sorry, I feel so stupid for buying into it this whole time. Which one of you regulars has pulled off this Voice of Reason character for the past couple years? Cause, really just bravo.

 

 

Crankier than usual today SSR. Did the Illini lose or is it just that time of the month?

[The Voice of Reason]

I'm sorry, I feel so stupid for buying into it this whole time. Which one of you regulars has pulled off this Voice of Reason character for the past couple years? Cause, really just bravo.

 

Regulars??? Regulars??? ROFL. What is this Cheers staring Southside Ryan as Norm the Accountant, Mojo as Clever Cliff Clevan the Postman and Roast as the Handsome Bartender Sam Mayday Malone?

 

Making your way in the world today

Takes everything you've got;

Taking a break from all your worries

Sure would help a lot.

Wouldn't you like to get away?

 

All those night when you've got no lights,

The check is in the mail;

And your little angel

Hung the cat up by it's tail;

And your third fiance didn't show;

 

Sometimes you want to go

Where everybody knows your name,

And they're always glad you came;

You want to be where you can see,

Our troubles are all the same;

You want to be where everybody knows your name.

 

Roll out of bed, Mr. Coffee's dead;

The morning's looking bright;

And your shrink ran off to Europe,

And didn't even write;

And your husband wants to be a girl;

 

Be glad there's one place in the world

Where everybody knows your name,

And they're always glad you came;

You want to go where people know,

People are all the same;

You want to go where everybody knows your name.

 

It's NSBB and his name is South Side Ryan.

[rocket]

please stop posting forever

[The Voice of Reason]

Remarkable power surge for Mr. Aaron in his twilight years. Guess since the rock solid evidence of "his head looks bigger" and "man, he got huge" aren't present, that's not questionable at all.

 

 

Well, if you actually look actually look at his numbers, he was pretty consistent throughout his career.

 

which is the problem, as most power hitters don't stay "consistent" into their late 30's. He didn't really drop off power-wise until his 40's

 

His numbers didn't significantly increase late in his career like Sammy, McGwire, Bonds, etc. I think hitting 40 homers late in your career when you have done it previously is a little different than hitting 60+ homers late in your career when you pretty much averaged 40 home runs most of your career.

[Mark_R]

please stop posting forever

 

Admit it, you laughed at that.

 

Its like something hardcorecubfan would post without the hilarious typos.

[CubColtPacer]

Please keep your posts about the topic and not about the posters on the board. Thanks.

[Sammy Sofa]

Remarkable power surge for Mr. Aaron in his twilight years. Guess since the rock solid evidence of "his head looks bigger" and "man, he got huge" aren't present, that's not questionable at all.

 

 

Well, if you actually look actually look at his numbers, he was pretty consistent throughout his career.

 

which is the problem, as most power hitters don't stay "consistent" into their late 30's. He didn't really drop off power-wise until his 40's

 

His numbers didn't significantly increase late in his career like Sammy, McGwire, Bonds, etc. I think hitting 40 homers late in your career when you have done it previously is a little different than hitting 60+ homers late in your career when you pretty much averaged 40 home runs most of your career.

 

Having your career year power-wise at 37 is a little odd. Having another season at 39 that potentially could have been just as "career-y" if it wasn't shorter by 19 games is also odd.

 

Hank has some weird fluctuations in the final decade of his career. Could just be one of those things.

[MSG T]

Yes, Brady Anderson hit a bunch of home runs one year, therefore baseball for the last 10-15 years was a half step above blurnsball.

 

That was just one example of many.

 

The greatest legitimate home run hitter of all time, Hank Aaron, never hit 50 home runs in a season but Brady Anderson did. I guess you're right, the steroid era didn't skew the stats at all.

 

I realize it's tough to admit that the baseball you have watched most of your life has been tainted by steroids but it is what it is.

And Hank Aaron took greenies, so was he really legit?

 

Jaywalking and armed robbery are both violations of the law. Are they both equally bad?

 

Evidently greenies don't help you hit home runs or maybe Hank Aaron would have had as many 50 home runs seasons as the great Brady Anderson.

 

 

Or maybe greenies turned a guy that might have hit 500-510 HRs in his career into a 750HR guy.

 

People try to make guesstimates about how many HR Bonds gained because of steroids, how do we know that the guys in the 50's through 80's didn't gain 5-10 per season because of greenies. Does anyone have any way to refute that possibility?

 

Greenies in the 60's were just as bad( cheating-wise) as steroids in the 90's-2000's. They just did a better job of keeping them under wraps.

[Sosa21MVP]

Remarkable power surge for Mr. Aaron in his twilight years. Guess since the rock solid evidence of "his head looks bigger" and "man, he got huge" aren't present, that's not questionable at all.

 

 

Well, if you actually look actually look at his numbers, he was pretty consistent throughout his career.

 

which is the problem, as most power hitters don't stay "consistent" into their late 30's. He didn't really drop off power-wise until his 40's

 

His numbers didn't significantly increase late in his career like Sammy, McGwire, Bonds, etc. I think hitting 40 homers late in your career when you have done it previously is a little different than hitting 60+ homers late in your career when you pretty much averaged 40 home runs most of your career.

 

Having your career year power-wise at 37 is a little odd. Having another season at 39 that potentially could have been just as "career-y" if it wasn't shorter by 19 games is also odd.

 

Hank has some weird fluctuations in the final decade of his career. Could just be one of those things.

 

Interesting. I think this bears further research into what else Hank may have been doing.

[Sosa21MVP]

I hate to offend the sensibilities of guys like Bob Costas and George Will but the big home run years of Sosa / McGuire / Bonds were pretty darn cool. Some of my best times as a Cubs fan were during that '98 home run chase waiting for Sammy to hit one and watching the score board to see if Big Mac had matched.

 

Admittedly it is just as well it is over and things are back to normal but it did make for some good entertainment before all the steroids stuff came out, and that's what MLB is supposed to be, entertainment, right?

 

You can say the stats and how they compare to other generations need to be debated, but to pretend it wasn't a fun thing to watch and that we should all just erase it from our memories like it didn't happen is pretty silly.

 

I must admit my memories from that time period aren't really tarnished that much either. It was indeed fun while it lasted and while it is a bit disconcerting to find out later that steroids may have played a role in the surge, I don't feel scarred for life or anything like that.

 

It is a freaking game, that is all. And I still love watching the Cubs today just as much as I did 10 years ago and 20 years ago.

[Soul]

I hate to offend the sensibilities of guys like Bob Costas and George Will but the big home run years of Sosa / McGuire / Bonds were pretty darn cool. Some of my best times as a Cubs fan were during that '98 home run chase waiting for Sammy to hit one and watching the score board to see if Big Mac had matched.

 

Admittedly it is just as well it is over and things are back to normal but it did make for some good entertainment before all the steroids stuff came out, and that's what MLB is supposed to be, entertainment, right?

 

You can say the stats and how they compare to other generations need to be debated, but to pretend it wasn't a fun thing to watch and that we should all just erase it from our memories like it didn't happen is pretty silly.

 

I must admit my memories from that time period aren't really tarnished that much either. It was indeed fun while it lasted and while it is a bit disconcerting to find out later that steroids may have played a role in the surge, I don't feel scarred for life or anything like that.

 

It is a freaking game, that is all. And I still love watching the Cubs today just as much as I did 10 years ago and 20 years ago.

 

It's a game, but most of us put way too much time into following this godforsaken club.

 

I still look back fondly on Sosa's season in '98. But I wish it had all been done without the help of "a little something extra." That's probably not realistic in retrospect, but still.

[NewUserName]

OK

 

In My Opinion

 

The only integrity of the game that has been damaged in my eyes is this. WE CARE MORE ABOUT RECORDS THAN WE DO INDIVIDUALS HEALTH.

 

When people quit calling it cheating, and start calling it a health issue, than we can really do something about this problem.