Selig considering re-writing the record books?

[witty alias]

Please, Sosa and McGwire saved the game of baseball. They made people start watching again

 

Baseball drew 63,168,689 fans in 97. 70,601,147 in 98. But there were two more teams in 98 Arizona drew 3,610,290. TB had 2,506,293. That's 6,116,583. If you take those two away he total in 98 was 64,484,564. Very little difference in 97 and he great homerun chase year of 98. The attendance in 99 was a little lower than 98. The attendance has been going up over the last 7-8 years. I don't think it's because of McGwire and Sosa or Cal Ripken as a lot of people liked to say back then.

[witty alias]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2009-02-11-selig-arod_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

 

i dont see how this can happen. unless you know for a fact that a person didn't cheat (which, we'll never know with aaron and all the other pre-testing guys) then how can you just say "oh i'm just gonna assume that he didn't, so he's the HR king."

 

thoughts?

 

If they're going to take away all of Bonds, Rodriguez, McGwire etc homeruns, RBIs and runs are they going to go back and remove the numbers from the pitchers stats that they hit these HRs against? If you take away every run that a pitcher allowed to a PED user, a lot of pitcher's ERAs will go down. You also have to take away RBI's from players that drove in a user and any run scored from a player that was driven in by a user.

 

Bud's going to have his hands full.

[Guest]

Yes, but this is separating a piece from the whole.

 

The fact that Sosa is a proven attempted cheater is a piece. The fact that he had a slightly late prime, and that his prime involved a huge leap in ability level, is a piece. The fact that all this happened during the exact years offense shot up throughout baseball because of improved PEDs is a piece.

 

Add up all the pieces, and you don't have a conclusive case by any means, but you have a reason to put him in a special category of suspicion.

 

i don't see the point of making special categories. there were no good reasons to suspect f.p. santangelo and he cheated. there were lots of good reasons to suspect barry bonds and he cheated. i don't really think that circumstantial evidence has been very good at identifying who's cheating and who isn't, so why bother guessing?

 

I think you know that wasn't a good argument. The fact that one guy from the "likely to have used" category and "likely not to have used" category both got caught means that the categories are now populated with equally likely candidates?

 

You keep pounding this whole "Sosa is a proven attempted cheater" argument into the ground.

 

Since when does a corked bat = a proven history of cheating. That's one instance.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

You keep pounding this whole "Sosa is a proven attempted cheater" argument into the ground.

 

Since when does a corked bat = a proven history of cheating. That's one instance.

 

Since always. It's pretty much the textbook definition.

 

If I had said "proven chronic cheater," then your "one time" defense would make sense. But I didn't and it doesn't.

[jersey cubs fan]

You keep pounding this whole "Sosa is a proven attempted cheater" argument into the ground.

 

Since when does a corked bat = a proven history of cheating. That's one instance.

 

Since always. It's pretty much the textbook definition.

 

If I had said "proven chronic cheater," then your "one time" defense would make sense. But I didn't and it doesn't.

 

Well then Joe Morgan is an admitted cheater as well.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

You keep pounding this whole "Sosa is a proven attempted cheater" argument into the ground.

 

Since when does a corked bat = a proven history of cheating. That's one instance.

 

Since always. It's pretty much the textbook definition.

 

If I had said "proven chronic cheater," then your "one time" defense would make sense. But I didn't and it doesn't.

 

Well then Joe Morgan is an admitted cheater as well.

 

Works for me. I'm pretty sure there's lots of users littering the so-called pure past of baseball. Hank Aaron's an admitted PED user too, and I'd say it's 50/50 whether he was a chronic user.