White Sox make offer to Abreu

[Little Slide Rooter]

According to Roger Rubin of the New York Daily News, the White Sox offered a one-year, $8MM deal to free agent outfielder Bobby Abreu. If the Sox are able to sign Abreu, you'd have to think Jermaine Dye or Jim Thome would be traded.

 

Abreu has also been linked recently to the Braves, Mariners, Dodgers, and Giants.

 

I guess they just didnt have enough old guys.

[weis21]

Wow, that would be really cheap for Abreu.

 

I'm really curious now as to what Dunn ends up signing for.

[ThePenguin11]

I'd so much rather have Abreu at $10MM/yr for a year or two than Bradley for $30MM over 3 years....Let alone one year for $8MM! Why do the Cubs insist on overspending for players and giving them too many years???!!?? MB never made more than $5.5 in a year and now he's on the wrong side of 30. Now you decide to double his salary? Who would have realistically even come close to the offer we made to Bradley?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Abreu is not good. Bradley is just as valuable as Abreu even if Milton only plays 80 games.

[ThePenguin11]

Abreu is not good. Bradley is just as valuable as Abreu even if Milton only plays 80 games.

 

 

I'm calling BS on this one. Not good? He's a consistent run producing outfielder. 100 RBI's, .370 OBP and 840 OPS isn't at least "good"? Bradley is getting three years to play about 200 games. Abreu is not a health risk and has been incredibly consistent since 2001. But you'd rather have a guy for 3 times as much money who offers zero consistency and is a major, major health risk???

 

Abreu certainly isn't bad and he's no worse than Milton Bradley. He's definitely a lot more attractive on a one-year deal versus the THREE years we gave to a major, major injury risk coming off a career year in the hitting capital of the USA.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Abreu gives away most of his value defensively, and Bradley is an average defender at least.

 

Abreu was worth 12.8 runs last year, offense + defense. He played 156 games, and his value has trended downard since at least 2002.

 

Bradley was worth 43.2 runs last year, although he didn't have much opportunity to create or lose value defensively(career numbers have him very good in RF). His worst season in the last 6 years was 2005, where he was worth 20 runs for the Dodgers. He played only 75 games.

[ThePenguin11]

Abreu gives away most of his value defensively, and Bradley is an average defender at least.

 

Abreu was worth 12.8 runs last year, offense + defense. He played 156 games, and his value has trended downard since at least 2002.

 

Bradley was worth 43.2 runs last year, although he didn't have much opportunity to create or lose value defensively(career numbers have him very good in RF). His worst season in the last 6 years was 2005, where he was worth 20 runs for the Dodgers. He played only 75 games.

 

Don't give me a comparison that is half-based on defense when the guy you're sticking up for was a DH. He's a year older and a year away from his last as an outfielder. You're better off giving me the comparison based on the year he played 75 games because that's a lot closer to the amount of games he will play than it is to 162. Abreu is a 150+ game /yr guy and his defense would slip a bit in your comparisons because of it. If Bradley had it in him to make it through a complete season how well do you think his legs would do out in the outfield every day in the Wrigley sun? It's impossible to answer because he'd never make it a full season in those condistions and never will. Even if you throw out defense or give MB a slight edge, I would still favor a guy who can go out there every day and be a reliable asset to your everyday lineup. (Oh and for considerably less money)

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I've told you, throughout his career Bradley has rated at least average defensively, sometimes substantially above average. And like I've said, even if Bradley only plays half a season cause his legs can't take it out there, he still provides more value than Abreu does because Abreu gives back all his value with horrendous defense.

 

If you really think that Bradley would go from good/very good defensively to Abreu-esque awful over a full season, I don't know what to tell you.

[Backtobanks]

I'd so much rather have Abreu at $10MM/yr for a year or two than Bradley for $30MM over 3 years....Let alone one year for $8MM! Why do the Cubs insist on overspending for players and giving them too many years???!!?? MB never made more than $5.5 in a year and now he's on the wrong side of 30. Now you decide to double his salary? Who would have realistically even come close to the offer we made to Bradley?

 

I just posted in another thread the fact that you're ignoring the timing of the signings. Back when the Cubs signed Bradley, Abreu would have demanded at least the same money ($30 million over 3 years). These free agents are now realizing that they're not going to get the contracts they thought they were going to get and they had better settle for something rather than nothing.

[Mephistopheles]

Abreu gives away most of his value defensively, and Bradley is an average defender at least.

 

Abreu was worth 12.8 runs last year, offense + defense. He played 156 games, and his value has trended downard since at least 2002.

 

Bradley was worth 43.2 runs last year, although he didn't have much opportunity to create or lose value defensively(career numbers have him very good in RF). His worst season in the last 6 years was 2005, where he was worth 20 runs for the Dodgers. He played only 75 games.

 

So, in reality, the only reason that BA was significantly worse than MB was because Texas DH'd MB. I'd take Abreu over MB because there's almost no risk associated with him. Ditto for Adam Dunn. I don't like a lot of risk in production positions.

[Mephistopheles]

If you really think that Bradley would go from good/very good defensively to Abreu-esque awful over a full season, I don't know what to tell you.

 

Abreu lost 20 runs last season and was fairy average the year before last.It's not that unheard of for a guy to drop or gain 20 runs or more in consecutive seasons on defense (which is why the stats suck among other things).

[TruffleShuffle]

i would be concerned about abreu because he's been losing his speed and power pretty quickly the last couple of years; he wasn't that great last year even though it was his walk year. i'm just not sure how good he'll be, even though he'll still get on base at a good rate.

[BigbadB]

If one year at 8m meant Abreu could be signed and Peavy could be traded for, I'd take Abreu in a New York minute over Milton Bradley and his potential 3 year deal.

[The Other 15]

If one year at 8m meant Abreu could be signed and Peavy could be traded for, I'd take Abreu in a New York minute over Milton Bradley and his potential 3 year deal.

Easy on the $8/1 year thing folks. Apparently there was no one year $8 mil offer, just the Sox calling to see what his asking price was. Since the conversation stalled at that point, my guess is that it was for more than one year @ $8mil.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Abreu gives away most of his value defensively, and Bradley is an average defender at least.

 

Abreu was worth 12.8 runs last year, offense + defense. He played 156 games, and his value has trended downard since at least 2002.

 

Bradley was worth 43.2 runs last year, although he didn't have much opportunity to create or lose value defensively(career numbers have him very good in RF). His worst season in the last 6 years was 2005, where he was worth 20 runs for the Dodgers. He played only 75 games.

 

So, in reality, the only reason that BA was significantly worse than MB was because Texas DH'd MB. I'd take Abreu over MB because there's almost no risk associated with him. Ditto for Adam Dunn. I don't like a lot of risk in production positions.

 

For the third time, Bradley is at least an average defender, and probably above average.

 

Abreu lost 20 runs last season and was fairy average the year before last.It's not that unheard of for a guy to drop or gain 20 runs or more in consecutive seasons on defense (which is why the stats suck among other things).

 

Even if last year was a defensive aberration(age, injury, reputation, and past performance aren't really on his side), he's still been regressing for SIX straight years on the whole. Bradley equaled 2007 Abreu with the A's in 96 games. Even with injury he's a 2-3 win player(plus whatever we get out of his injury replacement), and Abreu's a question mark to be worth even 2 wins going forward.

[SouthSideRyan]

If one year at 8m meant Abreu could be signed and Peavy could be traded for, I'd take Abreu in a New York minute over Milton Bradley and his potential 3 year deal.

 

Is Jake Peavy making 2M this year?