2009 Chicago Bears offseason

[brinoch]

We're on the same page. Orton's not going to be a superstud but I'd rather fix the supporting cast and then figure out QB afterwards.

 

You can still work on the QB position in the meantime, just don't go spending free agent money on old statues. Matt Cassel did well in New England, not because he was some superstar in hiding, but because the rest of the offense was in place. He had a line, he had weapons.

 

Absolutely correct. The Patriots have an incredible offensive line. Re-build the Offensive and Defensive lines should be our first and second priority. Actually, reverse that... building the defensive line should be first. It's more glaring (believe it or not) and more difficult.

[rchap24]

We're on the same page. Orton's not going to be a superstud but I'd rather fix the supporting cast and then figure out QB afterwards.

 

You can still work on the QB position in the meantime, just don't go spending free agent money on old statues. Matt Cassel did well in New England, not because he was some superstar in hiding, but because the rest of the offense was in place. He had a line, he had weapons.

 

Cassel won't be that good on the Bears unless he has WR's and a Line

[Guest]

Simeon Rice is a BIG fan of Marinelli: http://blog.mlive.com/highlightreel/2006/03/simeon_rices_3minute_rant_abou.html

 

I mean, this dude is straight-up one of the best minds of football that I've ever been around. I can go all day about it, but I'm trying to put it in a nutshell for you.

 

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_/ai_n15723521

 

Right end Simeon Rice, who has more sacks over the past 58 games than any player in the league, says Kiffin and Marinelli are "defensive geniuses in terms of what they do with concepts and theories and how they understand what type of athlete they need." Rice says Marinelli, a Vietnam vet who sprinkles in movie clips with game films, takes coaching to "an art form."

yeah, players heap praise on him and we thought he'd fix Kalimba Edwards, Cory Redding, Shaun Rogers, Shaun Cody

 

I'd take him over Babich at DC and, without a doubt, I would take him as the DL coach.

 

And it's sad that Shaun Cody needs "fixing."

[Guest]

Oh, and let me hop on this Jordan Gross bandwagon.

[rawaction]

 

I think the reason you keep Tait is he's better than St. Clair at right tackle. JSC stinks. I don't care if he can play multiple positions, he's not good at them. I'd be fine with cutting Tait if they had a solid replacement, but I don't see that happening. And it's not like JSC is some young pup, he's only 2 years younger than Tait and will be 31 next season. He's been cut multiple times and the only team that has held onto him for a long time is the team that doesn't know crap about offensive players.

 

I don't know that I agree with that. I don't think JSC is significantly worse than Tait, if at all. JSC is a better run blocker at this point. Tait is probably a better pass blocker, but JSC faced much better pass rushing ends on a consistent basis. Factor in Tait being a year older next year, and I think St Clair is the better OL going forward.

 

I don't want either starting at RT, but JSC is clearly the better backup, because of his versatility.

 

Oh yeah, and Jordan Gross would be a no brainer if you are going to spend some money this offseason. I'd probably play him at LT and move Williams to RT. Gross has been a pretty good LT for a few years, moving him to RT would be a waste of his ability, whereas you don't know if Williams can play LT effectively or not.

[rchap24]

 

I think the reason you keep Tait is he's better than St. Clair at right tackle. JSC stinks. I don't care if he can play multiple positions, he's not good at them. I'd be fine with cutting Tait if they had a solid replacement, but I don't see that happening. And it's not like JSC is some young pup, he's only 2 years younger than Tait and will be 31 next season. He's been cut multiple times and the only team that has held onto him for a long time is the team that doesn't know crap about offensive players.

 

I don't know that I agree with that. I don't think JSC is significantly worse than Tait, if at all. JSC is a better run blocker at this point. Tait is probably a better pass blocker, but JSC faced much better pass rushing ends on a consistent basis. Factor in Tait being a year older next year, and I think St Clair is the better OL going forward.

 

I don't want either starting at RT, but JSC is clearly the better backup, because of his versatility.

 

Oh yeah, and Jordan Gross would be a no brainer if you are going to spend some money this offseason. I'd probably play him at LT and move Williams to RT. Gross has been a pretty good LT for a few years, moving him to RT would be a waste of his ability, whereas you don't know if Williams can play LT effectively or not.

 

I Wouldn't mind us signing Gross and adding a receiver or defensive end in the first of the drarft

[Soul]

 

I think the reason you keep Tait is he's better than St. Clair at right tackle. JSC stinks. I don't care if he can play multiple positions, he's not good at them. I'd be fine with cutting Tait if they had a solid replacement, but I don't see that happening. And it's not like JSC is some young pup, he's only 2 years younger than Tait and will be 31 next season. He's been cut multiple times and the only team that has held onto him for a long time is the team that doesn't know crap about offensive players.

 

I don't know that I agree with that. I don't think JSC is significantly worse than Tait, if at all. JSC is a better run blocker at this point. Tait is probably a better pass blocker, but JSC faced much better pass rushing ends on a consistent basis. Factor in Tait being a year older next year, and I think St Clair is the better OL going forward.

 

I don't want either starting at RT, but JSC is clearly the better backup, because of his versatility.

 

Oh yeah, and Jordan Gross would be a no brainer if you are going to spend some money this offseason. I'd probably play him at LT and move Williams to RT. Gross has been a pretty good LT for a few years, moving him to RT would be a waste of his ability, whereas you don't know if Williams can play LT effectively or not.

 

Arguing who is better between JSC and Tait is like choosing between a rusty civic and a trashed out corolla. Just give me something viable. If it's Gross, then so be it.

[YearofDaCubs]

I find it a slap in the face to all bears fans that babich is still the defensive coordinator of this team. If they were going to fire him it would have happened already. What a travesty.

[Soul]

I know. It's hard to take this team seriously when the GM basically throws the QB under the bus when he hasn't provided him with an OLine worth a crap, a single viable receiver. Then the DC is retained when the most clear, glaring reason you are sitting at home right now is because of the defensive breakdowns that occurred all year long when you were playing with a lead.

[rawaction]

 

I think the reason you keep Tait is he's better than St. Clair at right tackle. JSC stinks. I don't care if he can play multiple positions, he's not good at them. I'd be fine with cutting Tait if they had a solid replacement, but I don't see that happening. And it's not like JSC is some young pup, he's only 2 years younger than Tait and will be 31 next season. He's been cut multiple times and the only team that has held onto him for a long time is the team that doesn't know crap about offensive players.

 

I don't know that I agree with that. I don't think JSC is significantly worse than Tait, if at all. JSC is a better run blocker at this point. Tait is probably a better pass blocker, but JSC faced much better pass rushing ends on a consistent basis. Factor in Tait being a year older next year, and I think St Clair is the better OL going forward.

 

I don't want either starting at RT, but JSC is clearly the better backup, because of his versatility.

 

Oh yeah, and Jordan Gross would be a no brainer if you are going to spend some money this offseason. I'd probably play him at LT and move Williams to RT. Gross has been a pretty good LT for a few years, moving him to RT would be a waste of his ability, whereas you don't know if Williams can play LT effectively or not.

 

Arguing who is better between JSC and Tait is like choosing between a rusty civic and a trashed out corolla. Just give me something viable. If it's Gross, then so be it.

 

True, but if the rusty civic or carolla can get you to work everyday, it's a lot cheaper than buying an Escalade....especially when you have other bills that need to be paid. And again, I am on record that I don't want either Tait or JSC starting, with the exception that it may take 4-6 games for a young OL to step in (or injury). If the Bears spend, I'd rather they spend on OL more than anything. But if they believe in Williams (then they should have played him this year), they probably won't go hard after a LT.

[Guest]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-090106-lloyd-lee-chicago-bears,0,6522837.story

 

Linebacker coach Lloyd Lee out too. Marinelli has been offered the DL job but he's got DC offers from elsewhere in the league.

 

Still nothing about Babich being on his way out. :evil:

[Soul]

 

I think the reason you keep Tait is he's better than St. Clair at right tackle. JSC stinks. I don't care if he can play multiple positions, he's not good at them. I'd be fine with cutting Tait if they had a solid replacement, but I don't see that happening. And it's not like JSC is some young pup, he's only 2 years younger than Tait and will be 31 next season. He's been cut multiple times and the only team that has held onto him for a long time is the team that doesn't know crap about offensive players.

 

I don't know that I agree with that. I don't think JSC is significantly worse than Tait, if at all. JSC is a better run blocker at this point. Tait is probably a better pass blocker, but JSC faced much better pass rushing ends on a consistent basis. Factor in Tait being a year older next year, and I think St Clair is the better OL going forward.

 

I don't want either starting at RT, but JSC is clearly the better backup, because of his versatility.

 

Oh yeah, and Jordan Gross would be a no brainer if you are going to spend some money this offseason. I'd probably play him at LT and move Williams to RT. Gross has been a pretty good LT for a few years, moving him to RT would be a waste of his ability, whereas you don't know if Williams can play LT effectively or not.

 

Arguing who is better between JSC and Tait is like choosing between a rusty civic and a trashed out corolla. Just give me something viable. If it's Gross, then so be it.

 

True, but if the rusty civic or carolla can get you to work everyday, it's a lot cheaper than buying an Escalade....especially when you have other bills that need to be paid. And again, I am on record that I don't want either Tait or JSC starting, with the exception that it may take 4-6 games for a young OL to step in (or injury). If the Bears spend, I'd rather they spend on OL more than anything. But if they believe in Williams (then they should have played him this year), they probably won't go hard after a LT.

 

I'd be happy if they picked up a OG to replace Garza, and then a RT. Shouldn't have to waste big time picks to do that, given that Tait's production is low enough that cheaper options would be an improvement. Williams is a #1 pick, he's slated to get his chance. I agree that going hard after a LT isn't likely going to be the plan.

[jersey cubs fan]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-090106-lloyd-lee-chicago-bears,0,6522837.story

 

Linebacker coach Lloyd Lee out too. Marinelli has been offered the DL job but he's got DC offers from elsewhere in the league.

 

Still nothing about Babich being on his way out. :evil:

 

The Cowardly Bears story continues. From the absurd punts inside opponents territory when the team desperately needed to score, to the GM laying the blame almost entirely on the QB position despite total lack of talent anywhere else on offense, to everybody's job being in danger except for the boss man and the guys making the most money. This is pretty disgusting. LB and DB coaches are taking the blame while Lovie's BFF gets to stay on and continue the leadership of a declining defense. So far I've seen no evidence that Lovie's authority has dwindled in the least, and that's incredibly disappointing.

 

The team has gotten worse since the super bowl, and the guys most responsible - Lovie, Turner, Babich and Angelo - are going to keep their jobs while their underlings take the hits.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-090106-lloyd-lee-chicago-bears,0,6522837.story

 

Linebacker coach Lloyd Lee out too. Marinelli has been offered the DL job but he's got DC offers from elsewhere in the league.

 

Still nothing about Babich being on his way out. :evil:

 

The Cowardly Bears story continues. From the absurd punts inside opponents territory when the team desperately needed to score, to the GM laying the blame almost entirely on the QB position despite total lack of talent anywhere else on offense, to everybody's job being in danger except for the boss man and the guys making the most money. This is pretty disgusting. LB and DB coaches are taking the blame while Lovie's BFF gets to stay on and continue the leadership of a declining defense. So far I've seen no evidence that Lovie's authority has dwindled in the least, and that's incredibly disappointing.

 

The team has gotten worse since the super bowl, and the guys most responsible - Lovie, Turner, Babich and Angelo - are going to keep their jobs while their underlings take the hits.

 

Lloyd Lee should not have been fired. Making Nick Roach look respectable is enough to earn a raise. Speaking of raises. Please explain how you include Ron Turner as a person to blame? Turner should get a raise a well for making something out of the garbage they put on the field at o-line and wide reciever.

 

Jordan Gross would be great, count me in.

 

BUT LET ME OFFICIALLY START THE TAYLOR MAYS IN A BEARS UNIFORM FAN CLUB!!! (pending declaring for the draft)

[jersey cubs fan]

Please explain how you include Ron Turner as a person to blame? Turner should get a raise a well for making something out of the garbage they put on the field at o-line and wide reciever.

 

Turner has been in charge of the offense for years now, and the offense continues to be mediocre. His NFL experience is coaching the Bears, and his other primary experience is coaching the illini. In that time he's never developed an NFL QB. He's done nothing good. Getting mediocre talent to put up mediocre results doesn't impress me.

[Banedon]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-090106-lloyd-lee-chicago-bears,0,6522837.story

 

Linebacker coach Lloyd Lee out too. Marinelli has been offered the DL job but he's got DC offers from elsewhere in the league.

 

Still nothing about Babich being on his way out. :evil:

 

The Cowardly Bears story continues. From the absurd punts inside opponents territory when the team desperately needed to score, to the GM laying the blame almost entirely on the QB position despite total lack of talent anywhere else on offense, to everybody's job being in danger except for the boss man and the guys making the most money. This is pretty disgusting. LB and DB coaches are taking the blame while Lovie's BFF gets to stay on and continue the leadership of a declining defense. So far I've seen no evidence that Lovie's authority has dwindled in the least, and that's incredibly disappointing.

 

The team has gotten worse since the super bowl, and the guys most responsible - Lovie, Turner, Babich and Angelo - are going to keep their jobs while their underlings take the hits.

 

Hilarious that Lovie had no problems firing the DC that was actually good, but we can't get rid of dear old Bob Babich. I'm less and less sold on Lovie as a coach by the day.

[jersey cubs fan]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-090106-lloyd-lee-chicago-bears,0,6522837.story

 

Linebacker coach Lloyd Lee out too. Marinelli has been offered the DL job but he's got DC offers from elsewhere in the league.

 

Still nothing about Babich being on his way out. :evil:

 

The Cowardly Bears story continues. From the absurd punts inside opponents territory when the team desperately needed to score, to the GM laying the blame almost entirely on the QB position despite total lack of talent anywhere else on offense, to everybody's job being in danger except for the boss man and the guys making the most money. This is pretty disgusting. LB and DB coaches are taking the blame while Lovie's BFF gets to stay on and continue the leadership of a declining defense. So far I've seen no evidence that Lovie's authority has dwindled in the least, and that's incredibly disappointing.

 

The team has gotten worse since the super bowl, and the guys most responsible - Lovie, Turner, Babich and Angelo - are going to keep their jobs while their underlings take the hits.

 

Hilarious that Lovie had no problems firing the DC that was actually good, but we can't get rid of dear old Bob Babich. I'm less and less sold on Lovie as a coach by the day.

 

Lovie shows a lot of Bush like leadership. Stick with your beliefs no matter the results, and reward loyal friends at all costs. The ones pushed out the door are those who may have different opinions.

[rchap24]

Why not move Babich back to coaching the linebackers and move Marinelli to the D-coordinator?

[jersey cubs fan]

Why not move Babich back to coaching the linebackers and move Marinelli to the D-coordinator?

 

In general, it can be perceived as difficult to demote coaches and expect players to maintain their respect for that guy. It's hard to get these guys to accept demotions. In this case, Lovie probaly wouldn't want to embarrass his BFF.

[rchap24]

Why not move Babich back to coaching the linebackers and move Marinelli to the D-coordinator?

 

In general, it can be perceived as difficult to demote coaches and expect players to maintain their respect for that guy. It's hard to get these guys to accept demotions. In this case, Lovie probaly wouldn't want to embarrass his BFF.

 

Even though it would probably make our defense better?

[Guest]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-090106-lloyd-lee-chicago-bears,0,6522837.story

 

Linebacker coach Lloyd Lee out too. Marinelli has been offered the DL job but he's got DC offers from elsewhere in the league.

 

Still nothing about Babich being on his way out. :evil:

 

The Cowardly Bears story continues. From the absurd punts inside opponents territory when the team desperately needed to score, to the GM laying the blame almost entirely on the QB position despite total lack of talent anywhere else on offense, to everybody's job being in danger except for the boss man and the guys making the most money. This is pretty disgusting. LB and DB coaches are taking the blame while Lovie's BFF gets to stay on and continue the leadership of a declining defense. So far I've seen no evidence that Lovie's authority has dwindled in the least, and that's incredibly disappointing.

 

The team has gotten worse since the super bowl, and the guys most responsible - Lovie, Turner, Babich and Angelo - are going to keep their jobs while their underlings take the hits.

 

Lloyd Lee should not have been fired. Making Nick Roach look respectable is enough to earn a raise. Speaking of raises. Please explain how you include Ron Turner as a person to blame? Turner should get a raise a well for making something out of the garbage they put on the field at o-line and wide reciever.

 

Jordan Gross would be great, count me in.

 

BUT LET ME OFFICIALLY START THE TAYLOR MAYS IN A BEARS UNIFORM FAN CLUB!!! (pending declaring for the draft)

 

If you want Taylor Mays to be a Bear, you'll need to plant some drugs on him. He's not going to fall that low.

[Soul]

What do you guys & gals think of drafcountdown's mock that has Maclin falling to us?

 

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php

 

I might jump on board with that, provided we address the OLine soon after or in FA. I really think we need more pass rush though.

[jersey cubs fan]

What do you guys & gals think of drafcountdown's mock that has Maclin falling to us?

 

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php

 

I might jump on board with that, provided we address the OLine soon after or in FA. I really think we need more pass rush though.

 

I think they need to update post December 15. That has Bears at 14, aren't they 18?

[bukie]

What do you guys & gals think of drafcountdown's mock that has Maclin falling to us?

 

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php

 

I might jump on board with that, provided we address the OLine soon after or in FA. I really think we need more pass rush though.

 

I think they need to update post December 15. That has Bears at 14, aren't they 18?

Yes, unless San Diego makes the Super Bowl. Go Chargers!

[Guest]

At 18 in that mock, I'd take Everette Brown (who they have going at 24). I'd be pissed if Oher goes at 16, that'd be Ryan Clady going picks ahead of the Bears spot all over again.