Re: College Football - Bowl Discussion

[Derwood]

Tebow does exactly what you make fun of McCoy for, which is throw the ball 3-5 yards and then profit from a ton of YAC

[imb]

Tebow does exactly what you make fun of McCoy for, which is throw the ball 3-5 yards and then profit from a ton of YAC

 

dude, he wouldnt make fun of mccoy. he told me that texas is his favorite team and if they played florida he would root for texas oh wait they lost a game forget about them go gators

[manbearcub]

holy crap they are playing on a slip n' slide

[SpongeWorthy]

usc fans are worthless. they dont watch other football games and they barely pay attention to their own. *opens sports page* "well we won, sweet" *brags on message boards* *cant name 5 players on their own team*

 

We're too busy discussing the latest vegan restaurant to open up in West Hollywood, protesting gay marriage bans, and doing other coastal elite type things to follow college football too closely.

 

It's just par for the course outside of Real America.

 

what are you talking about, im just saying that you dont know anything about football because you dont follow it outside of assuming that you've won whatever game it was you last played in

 

look at your compadre voice of reason over there, he's even more clueless than you are, and instead of trying to argue otherwise, he just pointed out that there's more to do in california (obviously). he basically agreed with me

 

I don't know anything about football because I don't agree with some of your preconceived notions of the game. That's really what you're getting at.

 

And the idea of satire, hyperbole, and sarcasm seems to be completely over your head. You see, when I responded to your accusation that I don't follow the game, I came back with a satiric characterization of myself as some effete California liberal who finds football beneath him. I would admit that a lot of those "fans" exist at USC (and California in general...) but I'm not one of them.

 

But to make the blindingly obvious even more apparent I'll just say I'm not some milquetoast fair weather fan. I've followed, played, and discussed football religiously my entire life, perhaps to a fault, and certainly do more than open the sports page (who reads newspapers in print anymore?). Apparently you think that posting on a Chicago Cubs message board about an unrelated sport doesn't seem to contradict your characterization.

 

Edit: As for Voice of Reason--well I don't know who he is. Apparently he is an alum/fan. Good for him.

[imb]

usc fans are worthless. they dont watch other football games and they barely pay attention to their own. *opens sports page* "well we won, sweet" *brags on message boards* *cant name 5 players on their own team*

 

We're too busy discussing the latest vegan restaurant to open up in West Hollywood, protesting gay marriage bans, and doing other coastal elite type things to follow college football too closely.

 

It's just par for the course outside of Real America.

 

what are you talking about, im just saying that you dont know anything about football because you dont follow it outside of assuming that you've won whatever game it was you last played in

 

look at your compadre voice of reason over there, he's even more clueless than you are, and instead of trying to argue otherwise, he just pointed out that there's more to do in california (obviously). he basically agreed with me

 

I don't know anything about football because I don't agree with some of your preconceived notions of the game. That's really what you're getting at.

 

And the idea of satire, hyperbole, and sarcasm seems to be completely over your head. You see, when I responded to your accusation that I don't follow the game, I came back with a satiric characterization of myself as some effete California liberal who finds football beneath him. I would admit that a lot of those "fans" exist at USC (and California in general...) but I'm not one of them.

 

But to make the blindingly obvious even more apparent I'll just say I'm not some milquetoast fair weather fan. I've followed, played, and discussed football religiously my entire life, perhaps to a fault, and certainly do more than open the sports page (who reads newspapers in print anymore?). Apparently you think that posting on a Chicago Cubs message board about an unrelated sport doesn't seem to contradict your characterization.

 

i invented satire, hyperbole and sarcasm

 

posting about football on a baseball board doesn't contradict my characterization when every time you talk about football, you're wrong. It just proves me right.

 

it's ok to be wrong though, you just have to admit when you are.

[SpongeWorthy]

As far as I can tell you're annoyed with me because I had the temerity to suggest that Big XII defensive coordinators weren't very good at their jobs. Oh the horror!

 

But maybe you have the master list of everything I've been wrong about.

[Mephistopheles]

Tebow does exactly what you make fun of McCoy for, which is throw the ball 3-5 yards and then profit from a ton of YAC

 

Have you even watched Florida the last three years? Yes, when the offense was keyed by Chris Leak they were an offense that relied heavily with the screen passing game. The last two years with Tebow at the helm they haven't done it nearly as much. In fact really, the only short passes Tebow does more than once a game is a shovel pass which is actually sometimes in a QUADRUPLE option. Yes, Florida runs a quadruple option.

 

The last two years, and especially this year, the passing game has become more of a vertical assault than a horizontal assault. In Urbans first two years when Florida had no running game they had to use the screen game because they had nothing short so defenses could just drop back. Last year and this year especially with the emergence of a real running game they've taken those plays out of the rotation and primarily go down the field in the passing game. I was going to rewatch the Alabama game soon, I'll keep notes of the passing distances. The Gators don't throw short to Louis Murphy, Deonte Thompson, Riley Cooper or Carl Moore. If you don't think Tebows passing game is down the field, then you haven't really watched him all that much.

[imb]

As far as I can tell you're annoyed with me because I had the temerity to suggest that Big XII defensive coordinators weren't very good at their jobs. Oh the horror!

 

But maybe you have the master list of everything I've been wrong about.

 

nope, i agreed with you on that

[cubweiser03]

Yards Per Pass Play Rankings

 

#2: OU=9.7

#4: UF=9.2

#13: Navy=8.5

 

Better watch out for the Navy passing offense....#13 in yards per passing play. GT is around #25, beware their air attack too.

[shnsajax]

As far as I can tell you're annoyed with me because I had the temerity to suggest that Big XII defensive coordinators weren't very good at their jobs. Oh the horror!

 

But maybe you have the master list of everything I've been wrong about.

 

nope, i agreed with you on that

 

Muschamp is good.

[Mephistopheles]

Yards Per Pass Play Rankings

 

#2: OU=9.7

#4: UF=9.2

#13: Navy=8.5

 

Better watch out for the Navy passing offense....#13 in yards per passing play. GT is around #25, beware their air attack too.

 

Have they thrown for nearly 7000 yards the last two years with a grand total of about 10 or 11 inteceptions?

[imb]

Yards Per Pass Play Rankings

 

#2: OU=9.7

#4: UF=9.2

#13: Navy=8.5

 

Better watch out for the Navy passing offense....#13 in yards per passing play. GT is around #25, beware their air attack too.

 

Have they thrown for nearly 7000 yards the last two years with a grand total of about 10 or 11 inteceptions?

 

it's embarrassing that florida has even thrown 11 interceptions since all they do is dump the ball off 2 yards down the field

[cubweiser03]

Yards Per Pass Play Rankings

 

#2: OU=9.7

#4: UF=9.2

#13: Navy=8.5

 

Better watch out for the Navy passing offense....#13 in yards per passing play. GT is around #25, beware their air attack too.

 

Have they thrown for nearly 7000 yards the last two years with a grand total of about 10 or 11 inteceptions?

 

Maybe in all of their practices over that time. You stated it as an important stat(FOURTH) without the context of everything else. Its a pretty worthless stat in of by itself, and probably pretty worthless too.

[Andy]

I knew Tulsa was a horrible matchup for us, but I thought we'd at least put some points up and lose. Oh, well.

[Mephistopheles]

it's embarrassing that florida has even thrown 11 interceptions since all they do is dump the ball off 2 yards down the field

 

You guys are just stupid.

 

Let's look at Tim Tebow passing versus Alabama, and their good pass defense.

 

He threw 22 passes. and none of this includes YAC yards, but just how for downfield that the passes were.

 

8 of the 22 were between 10 and 20 yards downfield. That would be 36%.

5 of the 22 were between 5 and 10 yards downfield.

 

Four of his passes were less than five yards downfield. Let's look at them. 1 was a screen pass that was dropped. That was the ONLY screen that they ran. 1 was a ball he threw away, it barely made the line of scrimmage. The other was a triple option that became a pass. Yes, it was an option. They only got 6 yards total, so not a lot of YAC yards. The other one was when he held the ball for a good five seconds looking downfield and then dumped it off when there was good coverage. Of his eight shortest passes, five of them were inside the ten yard line (ie they couldn't go down field).

 

The other six pass plays? Down the field for more than twenty-five yards.

 

So..breaking it down:

 

23% 25+

36% 10-19

23% 5-9

18% 0-4

 

Oh, and let's look at passing plays when they weren't inside the red zone.

 

29% 25+

47% 10-19

11% 5-9

11% 0-4

 

That's a damn vertical passing game if I ever saw one. It's only one game, but if those ratios hold true or even close to true over the course of the season, Florida might have one of the top two or three most vertical passing games in country. The only teams I can think of that pass deep as often as Florida are Georgia and maybe USC.

[Derwood]

how many of the 10-20 yard passes were for 11 yards?

[Butterscup1679666578]

omg personal attakz

[SpongeWorthy]

Florida does attack in the medium to deep range quite a bit with their passing game. It'd be a waste of Tebow's talents to put him in a Texas-style passing attack. His release is too slow for that and he's just not accurate enough. He does have good arm strength and the margin for error is a little more forgiving when can put more air under the ball.

[Mephistopheles]

how many of the 10-20 yard passes were for 11 yards?

 

Four were for 10 or 11 and the others were longer. However, 2 of those 4 were on third down and long right at the first down line. Another pass was for 9 yards on 3rd and 8, though that was included in the 5-9 bin.

[Derwood]

Florida does attack in the medium to deep range quite a bit with their passing game. It'd be a waste of Tebow's talents to put him in a Texas-style passing attack. His release is too slow for that and he's just not accurate enough. He does have good arm strength and the margin for error is a little more forgiving when can put more air under the ball.

 

what you just said is pretty much the exact opposite of every NFL scouting report on Tebow

[SpongeWorthy]

Florida does attack in the medium to deep range quite a bit with their passing game. It'd be a waste of Tebow's talents to put him in a Texas-style passing attack. His release is too slow for that and he's just not accurate enough. He does have good arm strength and the margin for error is a little more forgiving when can put more air under the ball.

 

what you just said is pretty much the exact opposite of every NFL scouting report on Tebow

 

If I'm understanding you correctly you're saying that NFL scouts are saying Tebow has a quick release, is accurate, but lacks arm strength. No, I doubt that's what scouts are saying at all.

[OleMissCub]

Awesomeness:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3814472

 

Utah's attorney general is investigating the Bowl Championship Series for a possible violation of federal antitrust laws after an undefeated Utes team was left out of the national title game for the second time in five years.

 

Attorney General Mark Shurtleff contends the BCS unfairly puts schools like Utah, which is a member of a conference without an automatic bid to the lucrative bowl games, at a competitive and financial disadvantage.

 

"We've established that from the very first day, from the very first kickoff in the college season, more than half of the schools are put on an unlevel playing field," Shurtleff said Tuesday. "They will never be allowed to play for a national championship."

 

Shurtleff said his office is still in the initial stages of reviewing the Sherman Antitrust Act to see if a lawsuit can be filed. To succeed in a lawsuit, he would have to prove a conspiracy exists that creates a monopoly.

[SpongeWorthy]

Empty gesture, publicity grab, etc.

[Derwood]

Florida does attack in the medium to deep range quite a bit with their passing game. It'd be a waste of Tebow's talents to put him in a Texas-style passing attack. His release is too slow for that and he's just not accurate enough. He does have good arm strength and the margin for error is a little more forgiving when can put more air under the ball.

 

what you just said is pretty much the exact opposite of every NFL scouting report on Tebow

 

If I'm understanding you correctly you're saying that NFL scouts are saying Tebow has a quick release, is accurate, but lacks arm strength. No, I doubt that's what scouts are saying at all.

 

Average arm at best. He doesn’t show the arm strength to make all the throws. Balls generally lack the snap required at the NFL level. Deeps balls tend be ducks

 

Does not have a strong arm, wont be able to make every throw consistently enough, which will take away from deep out routes and down the middle throws. Does not have the quick-snap release that many NFL QBs have.

 

so not the exact opposite, but he really doesn't have good arm strength

[OleMissCub]

If I'm understanding you correctly you're saying that NFL scouts are saying Tebow has a quick release, is accurate, but lacks arm strength. No, I doubt that's what scouts are saying at all.

 

He's got a noodle arm compared to other big name QB's out there.

 

On a similar note, watching Texas Tech play in person (and maybe I'm 100% wrong on this), it looked to me like Harrell didn't have the arm strength that I would expect someone of his status in the record books to have. There were several times when it appeared that he could have had completions if he had zipped the ball in there a bit faster before our defenders could get a hand in.