Re: College Football - Bowl Discussion

[Mephistopheles]

Much greater chance of Florida losing at Oregon State than USC losing at home to Ole Miss.

 

The Ole Miss dogging has to stop. Ole Miss is a better team than Oregon State and is one of the top twenty teams in the country. They're not chopped liver. I think people are going to be surprised tomorrow afternoon. I don't think they will win, but I think it will be a close game. That being said, Florida and USC are a toss up.

[SouthSideRyan]

Their opponents in these games are 2nd place Big Ten teams if the Big Ten is good(becuase the 1st place team goes to the title game) or a 1st place Big Ten team when the conference is down.

 

So the only time a Big Ten school doesn't play for a championship is when the conference is down?

 

Pretty much. Read into it however you want, but Big 10 schools don't get shut out of the title game when they're in they're equal to other teams fighting for the spot.

[dew1679666265]

JoePa has called a horrible game. When the score was 38-14, why do you not go for 2 when you score a TD? You could still have had a two score game and then not had to kick a FG, which a TD could have made it an 8 point one possession game.

 

Its all moot now since DC just got picked, but if I was a Penn State fan, I'd be pissed at inept Bears-like coaching.

 

It was 38-14 and then PSU kicked a field goal. That made it 38-17. There would be no reason to go for two at that point - not worth the risk.

 

The only problem I had was the non-onside kick after the TD to make it 38-24.

 

Fine, when it was 31-7, they scored a TD and should have gone for two to make it a two score game.

 

Same concept.

 

That's a minor squabble at most. And most coaches aren't going to do it since the chances of making all three two-point conversions is very slim.

[dew1679666265]

Ignore the ridiculousness of the concept but what happens if Utah blows out Alabama? They have to get a split right?

 

Of the national title? Why? Auburn didn't get one in 2004 and they were undefeated.

[Mephistopheles]

Ignore the ridiculousness of the concept but what happens if Utah blows out Alabama? They have to get a split right?

 

No.

[SpongeWorthy]

Ignore the ridiculousness of the concept but what happens if Utah blows out Alabama? They have to get a split right?

 

Of the national title? Why? Auburn didn't get one in 2004 and they were undefeated.

 

Auburn wasn't the only undefeated team though. Utah would be and they'd have wins over Michigan (lol), Oregon State, TCU, BYU, and Bama.

[Mephistopheles]

Pretty much. Read into it however you want, but Big 10 schools don't get shut out of the title game when they're in they're equal to other teams fighting for the spot.

 

Michigan did. The Big Ten really gets a bad shake in the post season because they end their season so much sooner. That's one of the primary reasons that they have struggled in bowl games the last five years since the season was extended and they really did not extend theirs. The extra two or three weeks off kills them. They DO have an easier road to the title game though. The problem with the SOS during the season is that for the most part they lack inter-conference rivalries against top programs, with the exception Notre Dame. The SEC, ACC and Big East overlap a lot. The Pac 10 does schedule tough non-conferences traditionally and the Big XII does a bit more than the ACC. Throw that into the mix and then also add the fact that they have no title game which takes off an elite matchup that Big XII, SEC and ACC schools in the title mix get and you have recipe for a much weaker schedule if for no other reason than the setup of their system not to much the schools.

Edited January 2, 2009 by Mephistopheles

[dew1679666265]

Ignore the ridiculousness of the concept but what happens if Utah blows out Alabama? They have to get a split right?

 

Of the national title? Why? Auburn didn't get one in 2004 and they were undefeated.

 

Auburn wasn't the only undefeated team though. Utah would be and they'd have wins over Michigan (lol), Oregon State, TCU, BYU, and Bama.

 

You haven't yet realized that play on the field doesn't matter in college football? It's all about the polls and subjective opinion - and the majority of that opinion wouldn't consider giving a split to Utah.

[SpongeWorthy]

I think there would be a lot of split title sentiment if Utah won impressively over Alabama. You're right that it probably wouldn't be enough but it was just some food for thought.

[Mephistopheles]

There is no chance it happens. Texas would have wins over Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Missouri. Oklahoma would have wins over TCU, Florida, Texas Tech, TCU, Missouri, Oklahoma State and Missouri or Florida would have wins over Georgia, Florida State, Louisiana State, Alabama, and Oklahoma.

[dew1679666265]

I think there would be a lot of split title sentiment if Utah won impressively over Alabama. You're right that it probably wouldn't be enough but it was just some food for thought.

 

I'll go ahead and beat that poor, dead horse:

 

We need a playoff to correct this stuff.

[Exile on Waveland]

Much greater chance of Florida losing at Oregon State than USC losing at home to Ole Miss.

 

The Ole Miss dogging has to stop. Ole Miss is a better team than Oregon State and is one of the top twenty teams in the country. They're not chopped liver. I think people are going to be surprised tomorrow afternoon. I don't think they will win, but I think it will be a close game. That being said, Florida and USC are a toss up.

 

Thank you. Ole Miss is good. They're better than Oregon State. The Rebels' four losses are by a combined 19 points, all to bowl teams. They have wins at Florida and LSU. Oregon State not only lost to Stanford but lost by 31 points and 27 points (at home!). The Beavers obviously have the win over USC, in addition to beating Cal and their bowl win over Pitt. But, again, losses by 31 and 27.

 

I also agree that Florida and USC are near indistinguishable.

[shnsajax]

I think there would be a lot of split title sentiment if Utah won impressively over Alabama. You're right that it probably wouldn't be enough but it was just some food for thought.

 

If OU, Texas, and Utah win then Utah will not get any real consideration.

[Exile on Waveland]

Utah is going to jump USC (which just dominated Penn State), Texas (assuming they beat Ohio State) and the Florida/Oklahoma winner? Not a chance.

[Mephistopheles]

I think there would be a lot of split title sentiment if Utah won impressively over Alabama. You're right that it probably wouldn't be enough but it was just some food for thought.

 

I'll go ahead and beat that poor, dead horse:

 

We need a playoff to correct this stuff.

 

A playoff will crown the one of the best two teams national champion less than the current system.

[Mephistopheles]

Utah is going to jump USC (which just dominated Penn State), Texas (assuming they beat Ohio State) and the Florida/Oklahoma winner? Not a chance.

 

They probably wouldn't jump the Florida/Oklahoma loser either.

[SpongeWorthy]

I think there would be a lot of split title sentiment if Utah won impressively over Alabama. You're right that it probably wouldn't be enough but it was just some food for thought.

 

I'll go ahead and beat that poor, dead horse:

 

We need a playoff to correct this stuff.

 

A playoff will crown the one of the best two teams national champion less than the current system.

 

So?

[Exile on Waveland]

Utah is going to jump USC (which just dominated Penn State), Texas (assuming they beat Ohio State) and the Florida/Oklahoma winner? Not a chance.

 

They probably wouldn't jump the Florida/Oklahoma loser either.

 

They wouldn't in my (nonexistent) poll. Perhaps if they crushed Alabama and Florida/Oklahoma crushed the other.

[Mephistopheles]

I think there would be a lot of split title sentiment if Utah won impressively over Alabama. You're right that it probably wouldn't be enough but it was just some food for thought.

 

I'll go ahead and beat that poor, dead horse:

 

We need a playoff to correct this stuff.

 

A playoff will crown the one of the best two teams national champion less than the current system.

 

So?

 

Then we're replacing one system that usually crowns one of the top three teams in the country as national champion with a system that usually crowns one of the worst 117 teams in the country as national champion.

[SpongeWorthy]

A blowout win would have a pretty huge psychological affect on the voters. They'd get a lot of first place votes in the AP.

 

And it's not like the AP would be gun shy about sticking it to the BCS.

[Mephistopheles]

A blowout win would have a pretty huge psychological affect on the voters. They'd get a lot of first place votes in the AP.

 

And it's not like the AP would be gun shy about sticking it to the BCS.

 

No they wouldn't. The AP poll is already in love with Florida and Oklahoma and touting this national title game as one of the best matchups in history.

[SpongeWorthy]

I think there would be a lot of split title sentiment if Utah won impressively over Alabama. You're right that it probably wouldn't be enough but it was just some food for thought.

 

I'll go ahead and beat that poor, dead horse:

 

We need a playoff to correct this stuff.

 

A playoff will crown the one of the best two teams national champion less than the current system.

 

So?

 

Then we're replacing one system that usually crowns one of the top three teams in the country as national champion with a system that usually crowns one of the worst 117 teams in the country as national champion.

 

I could handle that. And I don't think every playoff structure necessarily creates the scenario you're talking about.

[Exile on Waveland]

I think there would be a lot of split title sentiment if Utah won impressively over Alabama. You're right that it probably wouldn't be enough but it was just some food for thought.

 

I'll go ahead and beat that poor, dead horse:

 

We need a playoff to correct this stuff.

 

A playoff will crown the one of the best two teams national champion less than the current system.

 

So?

 

Then we're replacing one system that usually crowns one of the top three teams in the country as national champion with a system that usually crowns one of the worst 117 teams in the country as national champion.

 

It would be nearly impossible for an eight- or sixteen-team playoff to crown one of the worst teams in the country as national champion. But, of course, adding more teams and more games would decrease the likelihood of the best team winning the championship.

Edited January 2, 2009 by Exile on Waveland

[Mephistopheles]

I could handle that. And I don't think every playoff structure necessarily creates the scenario you're talking about.

 

The only one that doesn't is a +1 playoff. Every other one does, and even the +1 system will crown the top 2 teams less often than the current setup. This isn't up for debate.

[SpongeWorthy]

A blowout win would have a pretty huge psychological affect on the voters. They'd get a lot of first place votes in the AP.

 

And it's not like the AP would be gun shy about sticking it to the BCS.

 

No they wouldn't. The AP poll is already in love with Florida and Oklahoma and touting this national title game as one of the best matchups in history.

 

They are?

 

On the hype meter I don't think this one is even approaching USC/Texas, USC/OU, Miami/OSU.