Khalil Greene

[Backtobanks]

I don't really see much reason to discuss Greene because Lou and Hendry seem perfectly satisfied with Theriot. They might have second thoughts if they were serious about Furcal, but they aren't motivated to replace Theriot (at least not with Greene).

[Sammy Sofa]

as is writing off OBP for leadoff hitters & hitters in general....

 

Nobody is "writing off" OBP for anyone. What most disagree with is your continued insistence that it's THE stat people need to focus on.

[wrigley23]

I think it is extremely important, especially at the top of the order.

[Sammy Sofa]

I think it is extremely important, especially at the top of the order.

 

And nobody has said it isn't.

[wrigley23]

Despite what Lou said, I think Hendry is still bird dogging a trade for Peavy. I'd love to get Giles in the deal & swap Marquis so their two salaries are a wash. The Pads are looking for young arms but would also need a major league ready arm & Marquis could fit the bill. Giles in RF would look great IMO. He has a near .400 OBP, has always been a very good hitter except his numbers get lost in Petco. He would be a far cheaper, but productive alternative in RF. I agree that we do not need Peavy but it is almost too good to pass up. Sometimes strengthening a strength is the way to go. Who knows, maybe Giles could even lead off :D

[Jehrico]

as is writing off OBP for leadoff hitters & hitters in general....

 

Nobody is "writing off" OBP for anyone. What most disagree with is your continued insistence that it's THE stat people need to focus on.

The flaw is focusing in on any one stat to begin with.

[Sammy Sofa]

as is writing off OBP for leadoff hitters & hitters in general....

 

Nobody is "writing off" OBP for anyone. What most disagree with is your continued insistence that it's THE stat people need to focus on.

The flaw is focusing in on any one stat to begin with.

 

Exactly.

[Sammy Sofa]

Despite what Lou said, I think Hendry is still bird dogging a trade for Peavy. I'd love to get Giles in the deal & swap Marquis so their two salaries are a wash. The Pads are looking for young arms but would also need a major league ready arm & Marquis could fit the bill. Giles in RF would look great IMO. He has a near .400 OBP, has always been a very good hitter except his numbers get lost in Petco. He would be a far cheaper, but productive alternative in RF. I agree that we do not need Peavy but it is almost too good to pass up. Sometimes strengthening a strength is the way to go. Who knows, maybe Giles could even lead off :D

 

It's highly unilikely Giles waves his NTC.

[wrigley23]

Players that don't waive no trade clauses because they just want a paycheck when they have a chance of going to a contender are losers. As far as looking at one stat. I agree although for a leadoff hitter, that is one of if not the most important stat just like rbi's/slugging % is for middle of the order guys.

[chopsx9]

as is writing off OBP for leadoff hitters & hitters in general....

 

Nobody is "writing off" OBP for anyone. What most disagree with is your continued insistence that it's THE stat people need to focus on.

The flaw is focusing in on any one stat to begin with.

 

Exactly.

 

Can I have an Amen!!

 

This drives me CRAZY!!

[Sever82]

Can we just end this by saying Green sucks and Theriot is either average or just below. And unless the Cubs get an option at SS like Furcal, they're better just focusing on something else. I really am interested to see if Fontenot can play short because if he can, he better be our starting SS cause he would definitely be an upgrade over theriot.

[Jehrico]

Can we just end this by saying Green sucks and Theriot is either average or just below. And unless the Cubs get an option at SS like Furcal, they're better just focusing on something else. I really am interested to see if Fontenot can play short because if he can, he better be our starting SS cause he would definitely be an upgrade over theriot.

No, because your opinion is based on an extremely narrow way of evaluating the two.

[Sever82]

Ha ha I was just being sarcastic plus I'm hoping the cubs pursue furcal

[Bote McBoteface]

Players that don't waive no trade clauses because they just want a paycheck when they have a chance of going to a contender are losers. As far as looking at one stat. I agree although for a leadoff hitter, that is one of if not the most important stat just like rbi's/slugging % is for middle of the order guys.

 

 

And considering Giles has already basically struck down a deal to a contender to keep playing on a losing team, I guess he's a loser to you.

[Guest]

Despite what Lou said, I think Hendry is still bird dogging a trade for Peavy. I'd love to get Giles in the deal & swap Marquis so their two salaries are a wash. The Pads are looking for young arms but would also need a major league ready arm & Marquis could fit the bill. Giles in RF would look great IMO. He has a near .400 OBP, has always been a very good hitter except his numbers get lost in Petco. He would be a far cheaper, but productive alternative in RF. I agree that we do not need Peavy but it is almost too good to pass up. Sometimes strengthening a strength is the way to go. Who knows, maybe Giles could even lead off :D

 

If the Padres wanted a major league ready arm in a trade with the Cubs, don't you think they would want Marshall, not Marquis? They're trying to cut salary, not add a pitcher making $10M in 2009.

[17 Seconds]

Players that don't waive no trade clauses because they just want a paycheck when they have a chance of going to a contender are losers. As far as looking at one stat. I agree although for a leadoff hitter, that is one of if not the most important stat just like rbi's/slugging % is for middle of the order guys.

 

Giles refused to waive his NTC to both the Red Sox and Cubs during the 2008 season. You know that this is a job for these guys, right? When guys have made a home in a city for years, it's not as black and white as "play for a contender or play for a loser". There is much more in play.

 

Oh and RBIs are never an important stat. They are a team stat.

[17 Seconds]

Despite what Lou said, I think Hendry is still bird dogging a trade for Peavy. I'd love to get Giles in the deal & swap Marquis so their two salaries are a wash. The Pads are looking for young arms but would also need a major league ready arm & Marquis could fit the bill. Giles in RF would look great IMO. He has a near .400 OBP, has always been a very good hitter except his numbers get lost in Petco. He would be a far cheaper, but productive alternative in RF. I agree that we do not need Peavy but it is almost too good to pass up. Sometimes strengthening a strength is the way to go. Who knows, maybe Giles could even lead off :D

 

Thew reason for the Padres trading Peavy is to dump salary, something they are desperately trying to do. Why the hell would they want to take on Marquis'? They want major league talent that is good, cheap, and can be part of their future. They don't want to pay 10 mil for a guy to suck for one year and then leave. They would kind of defeat the purpose of trading Peavy.

[17 Seconds]

Can we just end this by saying Green sucks and Theriot is either average or just below.

 

Can we just say that A-Rod sucks and Albert Pujols is either average or just below?

 

Can we?

 

Greene season by season OPS+ (leaving out his 64 AB 2003)-

 

114

95

97

100

64

 

Career- 95

 

Theriot (leaving out his 14 AB 2005)-

 

135 (134 AB)

72

93

 

Career- 88

 

Greene had a flukishly bad season last year, but his other 4 full seasons were all better than Theriot's best full season. Greene's career OPS+ is better than Theriot's one good full season.

 

When you take into account the enormous difference in defense, I don't think you can even try to argue that Theriot is better. I also don't like the chances of Theriot coming close to his 2008 production again. He's a slap hitter who relies on a lot of luck.

[wrigley23]

1) it is always assumed the Cub would have to pay part of Marquis' salary regardless of where he is spun to 2) The Pads have asked for major league ready pitching in return for Peavy so they can field a respectable team

[davearm2]

Can we just end this by saying Green sucks and Theriot is either average or just below.

 

Can we just say that A-Rod sucks and Albert Pujols is either average or just below?

 

Can we?

 

Greene season by season OPS+ (leaving out his 64 AB 2003)-

 

114

95

97

100

64

 

Career- 95

 

Theriot (leaving out his 14 AB 2005)-

 

135 (134 AB)

72

93

 

Career- 88

 

Greene had a flukishly bad season last year, but his other 4 full seasons were all better than Theriot's best full season. Greene's career OPS+ is better than Theriot's one good full season.

 

When you take into account the enormous difference in defense, I don't think you can even try to argue that Theriot is better. I also don't like the chances of Theriot coming close to his 2008 production again. He's a slap hitter who relies on a lot of luck.

I think you meant to say the enormous difference in defensive reputation.

 

Everyone seems comfortable assuming Greene is a wizard and Theriot sucks. Advanced defensive metrics disagree. In fact IIRC PMR had Theriot > Greene in 07 and 08.

 

But, as Izturis proved to Cub fans, once an awesome defensive SS, always an awesome defensive SS. Right?

[nilodnayr]

1) it is always assumed the Cub would have to pay part of Marquis' salary regardless of where he is spun to 2) The Pads have asked for major league ready pitching in return for Peavy so they can field a respectable team

 

1)"Major league ready pitching" means someone who pitches as well as Marquis does right now, for the league minimum, with 4-5 years of team control and some projectability.

 

2) So if we picked up 9.3M of Marquis contract next year, signed him to a 4 year extention for about 10M total and created some magic potion that made him 8 years younger, then yeah, the Padres might consider him.