Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[17 Seconds]

I'm not saying it won't happen, but from the sounds of Rosenthal, there are just so many obsticles to overcome in order to make it happen. And if the Cubs are so tight on money, getting Peavy would certainly greatly lessen the odds of getting a good RF, something I've deemed as more of a need than SP (although Peavy certainly isn't just any other SP)

 

I think at this point, Hendry is going to do whatever it takes (well at least, I hope so). For the RF thing, would we be content with Luke Scott? He's cheap, but put up some alright numbers last year. He's the left-handed bat we're looking for.

 

I don't know...we'll see what Jimbo can do.

I would personally not like to see Luke Scott in a Cubs uniform. I don't know who else we could get, but Scott played LF last year with a poor AVG and OBP. He also was worse during Day games and on the Road. I see him, at best, as a platoon partner with Mark DeRosa in right, which makes Fontenot a starter versus LHP's. Luke Scott is also 30 years old with "lukewarm" numbers over his career. I would rather see Hoffpauir platoon there if we can't afford someone better. And I realize his defense in right will be bad.

 

Scott isn't great but he's better than you're making him out to be.

 

His OPS+ for the last 3 season are 165, 119, and 109. His career OPS+ is 119. He's like an .850 OPS guy and that would be better than what we have.

[Guest]

Is day game performance even a factor anymore? How many more day games do the cubs actually play now?

[RedFlash]

I'm not saying it won't happen, but from the sounds of Rosenthal, there are just so many obsticles to overcome in order to make it happen. And if the Cubs are so tight on money, getting Peavy would certainly greatly lessen the odds of getting a good RF, something I've deemed as more of a need than SP (although Peavy certainly isn't just any other SP)

 

I think at this point, Hendry is going to do whatever it takes (well at least, I hope so). For the RF thing, would we be content with Luke Scott? He's cheap, but put up some alright numbers last year. He's the left-handed bat we're looking for.

 

I don't know...we'll see what Jimbo can do.

I would personally not like to see Luke Scott in a Cubs uniform. I don't know who else we could get, but Scott played LF last year with a poor AVG and OBP. He also was worse during Day games and on the Road. I see him, at best, as a platoon partner with Mark DeRosa in right, which makes Fontenot a starter versus LHP's. Luke Scott is also 30 years old with "lukewarm" numbers over his career. I would rather see Hoffpauir platoon there if we can't afford someone better. And I realize his defense in right will be bad.

 

See dexter's post, as I agree with him.

 

Considering the Cubs are still after Jake Peavy, the Cubs will need all the pieces they can to make that deal. Which means going after an high end caliber talent who is underachieving like Hermida are definately out of the picture.

Edited November 30, 2008 by RedFlash

[17 Seconds]

I'm not saying it won't happen, but from the sounds of Rosenthal, there are just so many obsticles to overcome in order to make it happen. And if the Cubs are so tight on money, getting Peavy would certainly greatly lessen the odds of getting a good RF, something I've deemed as more of a need than SP (although Peavy certainly isn't just any other SP)

 

I think at this point, Hendry is going to do whatever it takes (well at least, I hope so). For the RF thing, would we be content with Luke Scott? He's cheap, but put up some alright numbers last year. He's the left-handed bat we're looking for.

 

I don't know...we'll see what Jimbo can do.

I would personally not like to see Luke Scott in a Cubs uniform. I don't know who else we could get, but Scott played LF last year with a poor AVG and OBP. He also was worse during Day games and on the Road. I see him, at best, as a platoon partner with Mark DeRosa in right, which makes Fontenot a starter versus LHP's. Luke Scott is also 30 years old with "lukewarm" numbers over his career. I would rather see Hoffpauir platoon there if we can't afford someone better. And I realize his defense in right will be bad.

 

.257/.336/.472/.807

 

^^^^^^^

Those are Scott's numbers in 2008 and while they are not great numbers, but they are certainly serviceable numbers and they are definately better then "poor average and OBP." I'm not saying he's great, but for his cost (less then a $1 million dollars) I would say they could be a decent under the radar move for the Cubs.

 

Well to be fair, that's definitely a poor average (which doesn't really matter) and a poor OBP.

 

I think he's a bit better than that though. He was pretty streaky last year.

[RedFlash]

I'm not saying it won't happen, but from the sounds of Rosenthal, there are just so many obsticles to overcome in order to make it happen. And if the Cubs are so tight on money, getting Peavy would certainly greatly lessen the odds of getting a good RF, something I've deemed as more of a need than SP (although Peavy certainly isn't just any other SP)

 

I think at this point, Hendry is going to do whatever it takes (well at least, I hope so). For the RF thing, would we be content with Luke Scott? He's cheap, but put up some alright numbers last year. He's the left-handed bat we're looking for.

 

I don't know...we'll see what Jimbo can do.

I would personally not like to see Luke Scott in a Cubs uniform. I don't know who else we could get, but Scott played LF last year with a poor AVG and OBP. He also was worse during Day games and on the Road. I see him, at best, as a platoon partner with Mark DeRosa in right, which makes Fontenot a starter versus LHP's. Luke Scott is also 30 years old with "lukewarm" numbers over his career. I would rather see Hoffpauir platoon there if we can't afford someone better. And I realize his defense in right will be bad.

 

.257/.336/.472/.807

 

^^^^^^^

Those are Scott's numbers in 2008 and while they are not great numbers, but they are certainly serviceable numbers and they are definately better then "poor average and OBP." I'm not saying he's great, but for his cost (less then a $1 million dollars) I would say they could be a decent under the radar move for the Cubs.

 

Well to be fair, that's definitely a poor average (which doesn't really matter) and a poor OBP.

 

I think he's a bit better than that though. He was pretty streaky last year.

 

Those were his worse numbers since his rookie yr in 2005 and he still posted an OPS+ over 100. He K:BB remain virtual the same but his power went up from 10-18-23 in three yrs. .266/.353/.497/.850 is his career numbers, and he is only 30 yrs old, so it's reasonable to think he can put up a couple more yrs of that said line. Considering his salary is still under $1 mill, I'd say he is worth taking a flier on.

[17 Seconds]

I'm not saying it won't happen, but from the sounds of Rosenthal, there are just so many obsticles to overcome in order to make it happen. And if the Cubs are so tight on money, getting Peavy would certainly greatly lessen the odds of getting a good RF, something I've deemed as more of a need than SP (although Peavy certainly isn't just any other SP)

 

I think at this point, Hendry is going to do whatever it takes (well at least, I hope so). For the RF thing, would we be content with Luke Scott? He's cheap, but put up some alright numbers last year. He's the left-handed bat we're looking for.

 

I don't know...we'll see what Jimbo can do.

I would personally not like to see Luke Scott in a Cubs uniform. I don't know who else we could get, but Scott played LF last year with a poor AVG and OBP. He also was worse during Day games and on the Road. I see him, at best, as a platoon partner with Mark DeRosa in right, which makes Fontenot a starter versus LHP's. Luke Scott is also 30 years old with "lukewarm" numbers over his career. I would rather see Hoffpauir platoon there if we can't afford someone better. And I realize his defense in right will be bad.

 

.257/.336/.472/.807

 

^^^^^^^

Those are Scott's numbers in 2008 and while they are not great numbers, but they are certainly serviceable numbers and they are definately better then "poor average and OBP." I'm not saying he's great, but for his cost (less then a $1 million dollars) I would say they could be a decent under the radar move for the Cubs.

 

Well to be fair, that's definitely a poor average (which doesn't really matter) and a poor OBP.

 

I think he's a bit better than that though. He was pretty streaky last year.

 

Those were his worse numbers since his rookie yr in 2005 and he still posted an OPS+ over 100. He K:BB remain virtual the same but his power went up from 10-18-23 in three yrs. .266/.353/.497/.850 is his career numbers, and he is only 30 yrs old, so it's reasonable to think he can put up a couple more yrs of that said line. Considering his salary is still under $1 mill, I'd say he is worth taking a flier on.

 

Did you quote the wrong person? I pretty much already said everything you just did. I'm agreeing with you. I'm just saying that you you can't deny that guy's claim that his average/OBP were bad last year, which you did.

[cubsfan26]

I'm not a big fan of Scott, I think he might only be a minor upgrade over older guys like Edmonds, Griffey or Garrett Anderson. But thats basically because I have concern that those guys could decline even more. If you play Scott in 150 games I think he's more of a 780-800 OPS. Since he doesn't hit LH pitching all that well, and if you give him a 100 plus AB's against LH pitching his numbers will drop off some. But if you platoon him(simliar to Edmonds) in RF he wouldn't be a bad option at all. I just think there are better options, or you can find the same type of player at a cheaper cost. Because with the way MacPhail is I'm sure he wants something of pretty good value in return for Scott.

[17 Seconds]

I'm not a big fan of Scott, I think he might only be a minor upgrade over older guys like Edmonds, Griffey or Garrett Anderson. But thats basically because I have concern that those guys could decline even more. If you play Scott in 150 games I think he's more of a 780-800 OPS. Since he doesn't hit LH pitching all that well, and if you give him a 100 plus AB's against LH pitching his numbers will drop off some. But if you platoon him(simliar to Edmonds) in RF he wouldn't be a bad option at all. I just think there are better options, or you can find the same type of player at a cheaper cost. Because with the way MacPhail is I'm sure he wants something of pretty good value in return for Scott.

 

Dude, don't even try to compare Scott to Griffey and Garrett Anderson. He is significantly better than them and much more than just a "minor" upgrade, even if those guys don't decline more.

[RedFlash]

I'm not saying it won't happen, but from the sounds of Rosenthal, there are just so many obsticles to overcome in order to make it happen. And if the Cubs are so tight on money, getting Peavy would certainly greatly lessen the odds of getting a good RF, something I've deemed as more of a need than SP (although Peavy certainly isn't just any other SP)

 

I think at this point, Hendry is going to do whatever it takes (well at least, I hope so). For the RF thing, would we be content with Luke Scott? He's cheap, but put up some alright numbers last year. He's the left-handed bat we're looking for.

 

I don't know...we'll see what Jimbo can do.

I would personally not like to see Luke Scott in a Cubs uniform. I don't know who else we could get, but Scott played LF last year with a poor AVG and OBP. He also was worse during Day games and on the Road. I see him, at best, as a platoon partner with Mark DeRosa in right, which makes Fontenot a starter versus LHP's. Luke Scott is also 30 years old with "lukewarm" numbers over his career. I would rather see Hoffpauir platoon there if we can't afford someone better. And I realize his defense in right will be bad.

 

.257/.336/.472/.807

 

^^^^^^^

Those are Scott's numbers in 2008 and while they are not great numbers, but they are certainly serviceable numbers and they are definately better then "poor average and OBP." I'm not saying he's great, but for his cost (less then a $1 million dollars) I would say they could be a decent under the radar move for the Cubs.

 

Well to be fair, that's definitely a poor average (which doesn't really matter) and a poor OBP.

 

I think he's a bit better than that though. He was pretty streaky last year.

 

Those were his worse numbers since his rookie yr in 2005 and he still posted an OPS+ over 100. He K:BB remain virtual the same but his power went up from 10-18-23 in three yrs. .266/.353/.497/.850 is his career numbers, and he is only 30 yrs old, so it's reasonable to think he can put up a couple more yrs of that said line. Considering his salary is still under $1 mill, I'd say he is worth taking a flier on.

 

Did you quote the wrong person? I pretty much already said everything you just did. I'm agreeing with you. I'm just saying that you you can't deny that guy's claim that his average/OBP were bad last year, which you did.

 

Wrong person I quoted. Sorry. :oops:

[haubrich91]

This was just posted on the ProSportsDaily boards. It seems incomplete, but take it for what it's worth.

 

Just heard that the Peavy deal would be:

 

Cubs- Peavy

Orioles- Pie, maybe PTB

San Diego- Olsen, Marshal, Atkins, Cedeno

 

Love this deal

 

This is the first I have heard of Atkins in the deal.

 

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=297233&page=38

[17 Seconds]

This was just posted on the ProSportsDaily boards. It seems incomplete, but take it for what it's worth.

 

Just heard that the Peavy deal would be:

 

Cubs- Peavy

Orioles- Pie, maybe PTB

San Diego- Olsen, Marshal, Atkins, Cedeno

 

Love this deal

 

This is the first I have heard of Atkins in the deal.

 

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=297233&page=38

 

hah

[cubsfan26]

I'm not a big fan of Scott, I think he might only be a minor upgrade over older guys like Edmonds, Griffey or Garrett Anderson. But thats basically because I have concern that those guys could decline even more. If you play Scott in 150 games I think he's more of a 780-800 OPS. Since he doesn't hit LH pitching all that well, and if you give him a 100 plus AB's against LH pitching his numbers will drop off some. But if you platoon him(simliar to Edmonds) in RF he wouldn't be a bad option at all. I just think there are better options, or you can find the same type of player at a cheaper cost. Because with the way MacPhail is I'm sure he wants something of pretty good value in return for Scott.

 

Dude, don't even try to compare Scott to Griffey and Garrett Anderson. He is significantly better than them and much more than just a "minor" upgrade, even if those guys don't decline more.

 

 

Ok well maybe I can agree with Anderson. But by looking at Griffey numbers, their not really that far off from Scott over the last two years.

 

Griffey

07-277/372/868

08-249/353/778

 

Scott

07-255/351/855(only 369 AB's)

08-257/336/808

 

I don't think Scott is that much better were I would give up good talent for him. Scott is ideally a platoon player, and I think Griffey can still hit RH pitching. Griffey hit 272/379/841 against RH pitching last year and 300/402/942 aganst RH pitching in 07. His overall numbers weren't as good because he hit 236/317/736 in 191 AB's in 07 and 202/299/649 in 169 AB's against LH pitching. If you give Scott 169 and 191 AB's against LH pitching his numbers probably wouldn't be as good as Griffey. But like I said before my fear is Griffey would drop off even more next year.

[Eric Clipperton]

Day game splits are essentially meaningless due to small sample size.

 

Note that OPS+ is also way inflated for a guy like Scott, due to platoon usage. Off the top of my head, it would seem a average MLB hitter, 100 OPS+, if he would then start facing only opposite-armed pitchers, his numbers would rise such that his OPS+ would be 120ish. Doesn't make him a better hitter, it's just not fair to look at platoon hitters in a pure OPS+ context (i.e. Fontenot would look amazing this year)

[cubsfan26]

This was just posted on the ProSportsDaily boards. It seems incomplete, but take it for what it's worth.

 

Just heard that the Peavy deal would be:

 

Cubs- Peavy

Orioles- Pie, maybe PTB

San Diego- Olsen, Marshal, Atkins, Cedeno

 

Love this deal

 

This is the first I have heard of Atkins in the deal.

 

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=297233&page=38

 

That deal sounds too good to be true, if the Padres were getting Vitters instead of Cedeno or Akins/Marshall I might believe this rumor. I don't see the Padres giving up 3 potential mid to bottom of the rotation starters and a guy who so far looks like a back up shortstop for Peavy.

[RedFlash]

This was just posted on the ProSportsDaily boards. It seems incomplete, but take it for what it's worth.

 

Just heard that the Peavy deal would be:

 

Cubs- Peavy

Orioles- Pie, maybe PTB

San Diego- Olsen, Marshal, Atkins, Cedeno

 

Love this deal

 

This is the first I have heard of Atkins in the deal.

 

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=297233&page=38

 

I want this to be true so much, but I'm not holding my breathe. I do believe this trade idea is incomplete. Couple of scenerios:

 

1: Could this mean with the padres possible getting Cedeno that Greene is heading to Baltimore in this deal?

2: Would this mean Luke Scott coming to the Cubs? I prefer Scott---since the Cubs are moving Fuku to CF---over the "supposed" Fontenot for DeJesus deal on PSD page.

3: Wouldn't the Padres need either another solid prospect like Castillo from the Cubs, or Billy Rowell or David Hernandez from the Orioles make sense to complete this trade? Cause trading a Top 5 pitcher for two middle of the rotation pitchers, a swing man, and middle of the pack SS doesn't seem like a good haul?

 

I would kill for this trade to happen, but I doubt it will happen in that format.

[erik316wttn]

This was just posted on the ProSportsDaily boards. It seems incomplete, but take it for what it's worth.

 

Just heard that the Peavy deal would be:

 

Cubs- Peavy

Orioles- Pie, maybe PTB

San Diego- Olsen, Marshal, Atkins, Cedeno

 

Love this deal

 

This is the first I have heard of Atkins in the deal.

 

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=297233&page=38

 

I'll believe it when OriolesHangout reports it.

[ConstableRabbit]

This was just posted on the ProSportsDaily boards. It seems incomplete, but take it for what it's worth.

 

Just heard that the Peavy deal would be:

 

Cubs- Peavy

Orioles- Pie, maybe PTB

San Diego- Olsen, Marshal, Atkins, Cedeno

 

Love this deal

 

This is the first I have heard of Atkins in the deal.

 

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=297233&page=38

 

I'll believe it when OriolesHangout reports it.

The original poster said he heard it on XM radio's MLB channel

[David]

Not that I think there's anything to that message board posting, but I believe Atkins was mentioned as a guy Towers wanted a while back by Bruce Levine.

[17 Seconds]

From Churchill-

 

I was told this morning by Lee's agent Casey Close that Derrek has blocked a trade already. Not sure how far along the trade actually was, but sometime in the last 10 days, they went to Close and asked him about an AL team and the answer was no.

[mdwilla]

From Churchill-

 

I was told this morning by Lee's agent Casey Close that Derrek has blocked a trade already. Not sure how far along the trade actually was, but sometime in the last 10 days, they went to Close and asked him about an AL team and the answer was no.

 

I wonder if it was an AL west team that he turned down a deal to? It's odd for Churchill to name his source outright like this. Why Does Lee's agent want this out ?

Edited November 30, 2008 by mdwilla

[RedFlash]

From Churchill-

 

I was told this morning by Lee's agent Casey Close that Derrek has blocked a trade already. Not sure how far along the trade actually was, but sometime in the last 10 days, they went to Close and asked him about an AL team and the answer was no.

 

I wonder if it was an AL west team that he turned down a deal to.

 

My guess would be the Yankees, seeing as they want to upgrade first base, and want to use their available resources on CC and not Tex. Considering he is from California, I don't see him turning down a chance to play for the Angels or the A's.

[mdwilla]

Lots of payroll flex if we lose Lee and Marquis. Dunn at first?

[UMFan83]

From Churchill-

 

I was told this morning by Lee's agent Casey Close that Derrek has blocked a trade already. Not sure how far along the trade actually was, but sometime in the last 10 days, they went to Close and asked him about an AL team and the answer was no.

 

Wow, interesting stuff

[Jehrico]

From Churchill-

 

I was told this morning by Lee's agent Casey Close that Derrek has blocked a trade already. Not sure how far along the trade actually was, but sometime in the last 10 days, they went to Close and asked him about an AL team and the answer was no.

This should have it's own thread, not be in the Peavy thread.

[17 Seconds]

From Churchill-

 

I was told this morning by Lee's agent Casey Close that Derrek has blocked a trade already. Not sure how far along the trade actually was, but sometime in the last 10 days, they went to Close and asked him about an AL team and the answer was no.

 

It's odd for Churchill to name his source outright like this. Why Does Lee's agent want this out ?

 

My guess is that nobody would believe some guy on an internet message board. Then again, he did share other info with me in the e-mail who he claimed was from a very well known/high up source and told me to keep it to myself because the guy told it to him in confidence (nothing important though, so don't even ask.)