Tribune: Wood Signs Deal with Cleveland (p. 29)

[flyseye]

Now part of me hopes that our bullpen (Gregg especially) is a disaster next year.

 

you wish bad things upon your favorite team because your feelings are hurt? what kind of backwards logic is that?

 

because he wants their bad decisions to be punished instead of rewarded

 

i still don't agree with the notion, but i don't think it has anything to do with his feelings being hurt... he was totally fine with letting wood go before this snippet about him being open to a one year deal came out.

 

I don't know which is worse, the initial quoted post, or the 2nd reply.

 

I cannot believe that some posters on this board either:

 

(1) want to be right so badly that they wish ill upon members of their favorite team or,

 

(2) Have such a man crush on Wood that they would wish ill upon a member of their favorite team.

 

If Gregg comes over and accomplishes what ever Wood can accomplish at less than half the $$, then this is not a bad move,hurt feelings aside, correct ? I certainly do not see this as impossible, or even unlikely, as Wood was really not in the elite class last year in a position that most on this board feel is remarkably over rated to begin with.

 

I liked Wood, but not for 10 mil. I hope Gregg has a great year as a Cub. I hope Wood has a great year for whoever he pitches for, except against the Cubs.

 

I'll tell what's worse than both of those posts... someone who doesn't understand sarcasm

 

And for the 485th time, nothing I said (which again, was not a serious post) was because of some man crush on Wood. I was in favor of letting him go if we had to give him a multi-year contract. Letting him go when we could have had him for one year is a terrible move for this team, especially when you consider how much gregg is going to get in arbitration

 

Oh, and Gregg won't accomplish what Wood di, which is allow marmol to be used in the 8th where he;'s more valuable. We all know Marmol is going to close now....which make him less valuable and also makes him more expensive for the future

 

Whatever. Just what the Cubs need, a 10 Mil, injury prone, closer. If Hendry offered that kind of money to anyone else in baseball to be a closer, you all would be throwing a freaking fit.

 

Do not be in man crush denial. It is not becoming.

 

Nobody KNOWS anything, but i put the odds at 50/50 that Gregg is fully capable of accomplishing what Wood did last year, and at a lot less money.

 

No way is Marmol the closer with Lou at the helm, and Gregg on the team, unless Gregg bombs. By the way, in your world, who closes when Wood goes on the DL again ?

[David]

It's hilarious how you (flyeseye) called out my post in one of these Wood/Gregg threads when you're practically the only other person arguing almost the exact same position I am.

[flyseye]

"because he wants their bad decisions to be punished instead of rewarded"

 

No more explanation is needed.

[cubsfan26]

Hendry should call Wood out on these comments, since he said he would have done anything to stay with the Cubs. I love Wood and everything, but I'm not buying it. The Cubs should offer him a 1y 3-4m deal, and lets see if he accepts it. It will be interesting to hear Hendry response to these comments. I can't see Wood saying Jim I don't wanna leave, I will come back at the same contract as last year, I just wanna stay and help the Cubs win. Then Hendry goes Kerry, we think it's best for you to go on the market and get the money you deserve. It just doesn't make sense, especially when we heard all offseason that the Cubs were willing to take Wood back at one year. So I'm taking these comments FWIW, because I can easily see Wood changing his story a bit after he realize that trying to stay face with the fans has made Hendry look like a idiot. Edited November 14, 2008 by cubsfan26

[David]

"because he wants their bad decisions to be punished instead of rewarded"

 

No more explanation is needed.

 

bad from his perspective, not mine.

[17 Seconds]

Now part of me hopes that our bullpen (Gregg especially) is a disaster next year.

 

you wish bad things upon your favorite team because your feelings are hurt? what kind of backwards logic is that?

 

because he wants their bad decisions to be punished instead of rewarded

 

i still don't agree with the notion, but i don't think it has anything to do with his feelings being hurt... he was totally fine with letting wood go before this snippet about him being open to a one year deal came out.

 

I don't know which is worse, the initial quoted post, or the 2nd reply.

 

I cannot believe that some posters on this board either:

 

(1) want to be right so badly that they wish ill upon members of their favorite team or,

 

(2) Have such a man crush on Wood that they would wish ill upon a member of their favorite team.

 

If Gregg comes over and accomplishes what ever Wood can accomplish at less than half the $$, then this is not a bad move,hurt feelings aside, correct ? I certainly do not see this as impossible, or even unlikely, as Wood was really not in the elite class last year in a position that most on this board feel is remarkably over rated to begin with.

 

I liked Wood, but not for 10 mil. I hope Gregg has a great year as a Cub. I hope Wood has a great year for whoever he pitches for, except against the Cubs.

 

I'll tell what's worse than both of those posts... someone who doesn't understand sarcasm

 

And for the 485th time, nothing I said (which again, was not a serious post) was because of some man crush on Wood. I was in favor of letting him go if we had to give him a multi-year contract. Letting him go when we could have had him for one year is a terrible move for this team, especially when you consider how much gregg is going to get in arbitration

 

Oh, and Gregg won't accomplish what Wood di, which is allow marmol to be used in the 8th where he;'s more valuable. We all know Marmol is going to close now....which make him less valuable and also makes him more expensive for the future

 

Whatever. Just what the Cubs need, a 10 Mil, injury prone, closer. If Hendry offered that kind of money to anyone else in baseball to be a closer, you all would be throwing a freaking fit.

 

Do not be in man crush denial. It is not becoming.

 

Nobody KNOWS anything, but i put the odds at 50/50 that Gregg is fully capable of accomplishing what Wood did last year, and at a lot less money.

 

No way is Marmol the closer with Lou at the helm, and Gregg on the team, unless Gregg bombs. By the way, in your world, who closes when Wood goes on the DL again ?

 

You're so far off it's ridiculous. Man crush denial? You can go back and find posts where I made fun of people for letting their Wood man crush get in the way of thinking. You can also find posts from yesterday when I was defending hendry for making the right move. However,1 year for Wood at whatever is hands down better than Michael Wuertz...I mean Kevin gregg at about 5 million.

 

As for gregg being a closer, Hendry has already alluded to the fact that Marmol will close, so you're wrong about that too.

 

Who closes when Wood goes on the DL? The same person that will close next year anyways....Marmol.

 

Bottom line is not only are we losing a very good rleiever, we're likely losing Marmol to the closer's role. The 7th and 8th innings are going to be a crapshoot every game now

 

"Nobody KNOWS anything, but i put the odds at 50/50 that Gregg is fully capable of accomplishing what Wood did last year, and at a lot less money."

 

A) Gregg has never had a season where he was even close to as dominant as Wood was last year

 

B) Whether or not he accomplishes what Wood did last season (allow Marmol to pitch in the 7th/8th) won't even be in his control. We all know how impatient Lou is with guys who walk batters, so I find it hard to believe that he's going to sit and watch Gregg walk guys in the 9th inning every day

 

C) 3-5 million is not "a lot less money" when you're talking about a one year deal

[17 Seconds]

"because he wants their bad decisions to be punished instead of rewarded"

 

No more explanation is needed.

 

Do you not know how to read?

[flyseye]

I will just ignore the " not know how to read " BS, and just write it off as frustration.

 

You might want to check who manages the Cubs. ( hint, it is not Hendry ). The fact that Hendry " alluded" to something in November means nothing.If Gregg is still on the team come spring, he will be given the first shot at closing. But your mind is made up, so be it.

 

Lou put up with a lot of walks from Marmol last year during his bad streak, but feel free to twist things so they fit your argument.

 

Do you think Wood is the best " closer " in baseball ? If not, which other ones, and feel free to include some oft injured ones, do you feel are worth 10 mil a year ?

 

Gregg is a decent pitcher who will be asked to take over an over rated position on a good team for a fairly low salary. He might actually be able to get through two innings, and pitch more than twice a week. He might make it through the season without a lengthy stint on the DL.

 

The Cubs have already over payed for enough positions. To add the " closer " to the list is foolish. Even if it is Kerry Wood.

[The Other 15]

Woody and Hendry are very close. Hendry would help Wood in any way possible. Let's go back to the month long blister for a second. First, let's remember how Woody healed his rotator cuff - with rest, not surgery. Go forward to the blister again.

 

Could it be that the "blister" was the rotator cuff flaring up and the Cubs rested him so that Hendry can help his guy Woody get a multi-year deal elsewhere in the offseason without Wood losing value by missing time to shoulder related problems rather than a harmless, unlucky, blister?

[17 Seconds]

I will just ignore the " not know how to read " BS, and just write it off as frustration.

 

You might want to check who manages the Cubs. ( hint, it is not Hendry ). The fact that Hendry " alluded" to something in November means nothing.If Gregg is still on the team come spring, he will be given the first shot at closing. But your mind is made up, so be it.

 

Lou put up with a lot of walks from Marmol last year during his bad streak, but feel free to twist things so they fit your argument.

 

Do you think Wood is the best " closer " in baseball ? If not, which other ones, and feel free to include some oft injured ones, do you feel are worth 10 mil a year ?

 

Gregg is a decent pitcher who will be asked to take over an over rated position on a good team for a fairly low salary. He might actually be able to get through two innings, and pitch more than twice a week. He might make it through the season without a lengthy stint on the DL.

 

The Cubs have already over payed for enough positions. To add the " closer " to the list is foolish. Even if it is Kerry Wood.

 

By saying "10 mil a year" you're making it sound like multiple years. 10 mil for one year is not a big deal. He's off the books next October no matter what so it's not a big gamble. gagne got 10 mil last year and was a disaster. Big deal, it was a bad 6 months and now the contract is gone. It's notl ike you have to worry about it crippling your payroll flexibilty over the next few years.

 

As for me having things stuck in my head, why do you have it stuck in your head that he would have demanded 10 mil? Wood's quote was that he'd have done "anything" to stay with the Cubs. Sounds to me like he would have accepted a one year deal at a lower salary to fit into the tight budget of this offseason.

 

Anyways, 10 mil isn't the key number. The key number is the difference between what Gregg will make and what Wood would have gotten.

 

You ask how many closers get 10 mil a year (which was a poor example anyways since guys that make that much a year rarely accept one year deals). Well how often do mediocre 1.2-1.3 WHIP relievers get around 5 mil a year?

[Derwood]

I think something is missing here. I have to believe that Wood never actually met with Hendry and pleaded to stay on the team or offer to stay for a one year deal.

[SouthSideRyan]

Woody and Hendry are very close. Hendry would help Wood in any way possible. Let's go back to the month long blister for a second. First, let's remember how Woody healed his rotator cuff - with rest, not surgery. Go forward to the blister again.

 

Could it be that the "blister" was the rotator cuff flaring up and the Cubs rested him so that Hendry can help his guy Woody get a multi-year deal elsewhere in the offseason without Wood losing value by missing time to shoulder related problems rather than a harmless, unlucky, blister?

 

Occam's Razor.

[Guest]

Listen, if Kerry is a man of his word that he'd do anything to be back with the Cubs he simply didn't have to file for free agency.

 

He did.

 

He wasn't willing to do anything to stay with the team.

[Mephistopheles]

Wait Woody said he'd take a one year deal to stay here?

[erik316wttn]

Listen, if Kerry is a man of his word that he'd do anything to be back with the Cubs he simply didn't have to file for free agency.

 

He did.

 

He wasn't willing to do anything to stay with the team.

 

Filing for free agency doesn't mean he wasn't willing to come back here. He's allowed to at least keep his options open as a fallback just in case. Filing for free agency doesn't mean he HAD to negotiate with anyone but the Cubs. It was just that the option was there for him in case the Cubs didn't want him.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

The Cubs likely will still offer Wood arbitration. If Kerry really prefers to stay with the Cubs on a one-year deal, he can accept the offer of arbitration and not sign with anyone else.

[CUBZ99]

The Cubs likely will still offer Wood arbitration. If Kerry really prefers to stay with the Cubs on a one-year deal, he can accept the offer of arbitration and not sign with anyone else.

 

Good point. If Wood was serious about willing to stay for one year, he would accept arbitration and be happy with a contract determined by an objective third party in arbitration.

[USSoccer]

Wait Woody said he'd take a one year deal to stay here?

 

Yeah. Now I'm actually pretty pissed.

[Guest]

Listen, if Kerry is a man of his word that he'd do anything to be back with the Cubs he simply didn't have to file for free agency.

 

He did.

 

He wasn't willing to do anything to stay with the team.

 

Filing for free agency doesn't mean he wasn't willing to come back here. He's allowed to at least keep his options open as a fallback just in case. Filing for free agency doesn't mean he HAD to negotiate with anyone but the Cubs. It was just that the option was there for him in case the Cubs didn't want him.

My point is that if Kerry really means that he'd have done anything to stay here, he shouldn't have filed. After sitting on his comments all day long, something about them just doesn't feel right to me.

 

We'll see. I'd say there's about a 99.9% chance the Cubs offer arby. If Wood really means it, he'll accept.

[17 Seconds]

From what I've gathered, Hendry doesn't want him to sign for cheap. He feels bad about it. That's the reason Wood is leaving. Hendry wants him to get paid.

[Guest]

From what I've gathered, Hendry doesn't want him to sign for cheap. He feels bad about it. That's the reason Wood is leaving. Hendry wants him to get paid.

Don't believe everything you hear.

[17 Seconds]

From what I've gathered, Hendry doesn't want him to sign for cheap. He feels bad about it. That's the reason Wood is leaving. Hendry wants him to get paid.

Don't believe everything you hear.

 

All we can do is make judgements based on the info we have

[Guest]

From what I've gathered, Hendry doesn't want him to sign for cheap. He feels bad about it. That's the reason Wood is leaving. Hendry wants him to get paid.

Don't believe everything you hear.

 

All we can do is make judgements based on the info we have

lol - sometimes it is better to defer judgment until more information is available.

[NCCubFan]

If there were a "Hall of Fame for Bad GMs", Jim Hendry would be an inner-circle, pantheon member.

 

I take it you weren't a Cubs fan during the Lynch/MacPhail years

And don't forget Larry Himes.

[SouthSideRyan]

Listen, if Kerry is a man of his word that he'd do anything to be back with the Cubs he simply didn't have to file for free agency.

 

He did.

 

He wasn't willing to do anything to stay with the team.

 

C'mon this is unreasonable. If we really want to extend this to its literal meaning we would say that Kerry would gladly pay Jim Hendry 1M out of his own pocket if he was truly willing to "do anything."

 

I think it's pretty obvious that he's saying he'd do plenty within reason to come back to the Cubs and for whatever reason Hendry rebuffed him.