200 K's in a season? It's gonna happen.

[soccer10k]

The current record is 199 set by Ryan Howard last year.

 

Mark Reynolds currently has 198 while Howard has 195. Jack Cust currently has an outside shot and is sitting at 190 after today's game.

[Clem Fandango]

I had no idea Mark Reynolds had that many

[E.J.]

I had no idea Mark Reynolds had that many

 

Really? That's all he seems to do when we play the Diamondbacks. I refuse to acknowledge what he did last October.

[Mike Aller]

If Kelly Shoppach ever plays a full season as a starter, he'll probably shatter this record. :oops:

[Soul]

Hard to believe someone has a higher total than Howard. But there it is.

 

Reynolds has suffered a significant dropoff this season. He's down 10 points in OPS+ and his K's are waaaaay up. The man's a strikeout machine with a low OBP. Junky.

[Proven Veteran]

Hard to believe someone has a higher total than Howard. But there it is.

 

Reynolds has suffered a significant dropoff this season. He's down 10 points in OPS+ and his K's are waaaaay up. The man's a strikeout machine with a low OBP. Junky.

 

 

He also leads the league in errors.

[Clem Fandango]

Hard to believe someone has a higher total than Howard. But there it is.

 

Reynolds has suffered a significant dropoff this season. He's down 10 points in OPS+ and his K's are waaaaay up. The man's a strikeout machine with a low OBP. Junky.

 

 

He also leads the league in errors.

 

This is true. Baseball Tonight said something about how he could be the first player to lead the league in both errors and strikeouts since some dude I don't remember did it back in the 50's or 60's. I think they mentioned though that the guy who did it back then also won the MVP that year, ironically

[Guest]

Reynolds ties Howard's record of 199. Howard is sitting at 196 with Cust at a paltry 192.

[erik316wttn]

That's pathetic.

[TruffleShuffle]

200 for reynolds!!!!

 

at least cust and howard (most years) give you high obp and a lot of power to go with their high strikeout totals. there's no reason that a player of reynolds' profile should be striking out 200 times in a year.

[erik316wttn]

200 for reynolds!!!!

 

at least cust and howard (most years) give you high obp and a lot of power to go with their high strikeout totals. there's no reason that a player of reynolds' profile should be striking out 200 times in a year.

 

There's no reason ANYBODY should be striking out 200 times per year, high OBP or not.

[Guest]

200 for reynolds!!!!

 

at least cust and howard (most years) give you high obp and a lot of power to go with their high strikeout totals. there's no reason that a player of reynolds' profile should be striking out 200 times in a year.

 

There's no reason ANYBODY should be striking out 200 times per year, high OBP or not.

 

Who cares if they give you high OBP and power?

[imb]

200 for reynolds!!!!

 

at least cust and howard (most years) give you high obp and a lot of power to go with their high strikeout totals. there's no reason that a player of reynolds' profile should be striking out 200 times in a year.

 

There's no reason ANYBODY should be striking out 200 times per year, high OBP or not.

 

your baseball knowledge is definitely in the bottom 10 percent of this board

[erik316wttn]

200 for reynolds!!!!

 

at least cust and howard (most years) give you high obp and a lot of power to go with their high strikeout totals. there's no reason that a player of reynolds' profile should be striking out 200 times in a year.

 

There's no reason ANYBODY should be striking out 200 times per year, high OBP or not.

 

your baseball knowledge is definitely in the bottom 10 percent of this board

 

And you're a borderline troll who should have been banned long ago.

 

And, seeing as you're a genius, would you care to explain to me why it's a good thing that they're striking out 200 times per year? Care to tell me why with runners on the corners and one out, it's ok that he strikes out, instead of putting the ball in play and perhaps getting the runner home?

 

Yes, when you strike out you avoid the double play. But that is worst-case scenario. If there's not a runner on 1st, a strikeout isn't any better than a ground out or a fly ball. At least with a fly ball or grounder, you can possibly advance the runners. With a strikeout, barring a dropped 3rd strike, they don't. It's simple, really.

 

So, care to tell me why it's desirable for a high OBP guy to strike out at disgusting levels? Seeing as that's the position you're taking by rebuking my argument. I'd be quite happy to hear it.

Edited September 26, 2008 by erik316wttn

[TruffleShuffle]

in 2006 ryan howard struck out 181 times, which isn't far from 200. he had a line of 313/425/659/1084 with 58 homers and 149 rbi. if a guy is putting up numbers like those i could really give a crap if all of his outs come via the strikeout; he's awesome at baseball.

[imb]

200 for reynolds!!!!

 

at least cust and howard (most years) give you high obp and a lot of power to go with their high strikeout totals. there's no reason that a player of reynolds' profile should be striking out 200 times in a year.

 

There's no reason ANYBODY should be striking out 200 times per year, high OBP or not.

 

your baseball knowledge is definitely in the bottom 10 percent of this board

 

And you're a borderline troll who should have been banned long ago.

 

And, seeing as you're a genius, would you care to explain to me why it's a good thing that they're striking out 200 times per year? Care to tell me why with runners on the corners and one out, it's ok that he strikes out, instead of putting the ball in play and perhaps getting the runner home?

 

Yes, when you strike out you avoid the double play. But that is worst-case scenario. If there's not a runner on 1st, a strikeout isn't any better than a ground out or a fly ball. At least with a fly ball or grounder, you can possibly advance the runners. With a strikeout, barring a dropped 3rd strike, they don't. It's simple, really.

 

So, care to tell me why it's desirable for a high OBP guy to strike out at disgusting levels? Seeing as that's the position you're taking by rebuking my argument. I'd be quite happy to hear it.

 

i don't think you've really understood any of this.

 

it's not a good thing that they're striking out 200 times or 250 times or 150 times or whatever. those are outs and outs are bad. but they're just outs. there are times a k is worse than a pop up or a groundout and there are times it's better, but the point is that some arbitrary number like 200 isn't the end of the world. Someone like Mark Reynolds strikes out 200 times, but his OPS+ is still 98. that's not good but there are a lot of players who produce at that level, only their outs come via weak contact or whatever.

 

it just seems weird to see something like "you better never strike out 200 times!", but you never see someone say something like "you better never groundout 300 times!", considering a guy who Ks a lot is likely to be a more productive hitter.

[Mike Aller]

considering a guy who Ks a lot is likely to be a more productive hitter.

Um, what? Define "productive."

[imb]

considering a guy who Ks a lot is likely to be a more productive hitter.

Um, what? Define "productive."

 

i just meant that a guy that ks a lot is likely to be a power hitter that goes deep into counts, while a guy who just makes weak contact instead is probably just a singles hitter.

 

why don't people say "god NO one should ground out 200 times!" someone like jack cust is going to k over 200 times and his OPS+ is around 130. someone like ryan theriot just grounds out a lot instead and his OPS+ is 93.

[Guest]

200 for reynolds!!!!

 

at least cust and howard (most years) give you high obp and a lot of power to go with their high strikeout totals. there's no reason that a player of reynolds' profile should be striking out 200 times in a year.

 

I was definitely disappointed to see Howard stop at 199 last year so it's good to see Reynolds hit the 200 mark - he's at 201 now.

[NewUserName]

200 for reynolds!!!!

 

at least cust and howard (most years) give you high obp and a lot of power to go with their high strikeout totals. there's no reason that a player of reynolds' profile should be striking out 200 times in a year.

 

There's no reason ANYBODY should be striking out 200 times per year, high OBP or not.

 

your baseball knowledge is definitely in the bottom 10 percent of this board

 

And you're a borderline troll who should have been banned long ago.

 

And, seeing as you're a genius, would you care to explain to me why it's a good thing that they're striking out 200 times per year? Care to tell me why with runners on the corners and one out, it's ok that he strikes out, instead of putting the ball in play and perhaps getting the runner home?

 

Yes, when you strike out you avoid the double play. But that is worst-case scenario. If there's not a runner on 1st, a strikeout isn't any better than a ground out or a fly ball. At least with a fly ball or grounder, you can possibly advance the runners. With a strikeout, barring a dropped 3rd strike, they don't. It's simple, really.

 

So, care to tell me why it's desirable for a high OBP guy to strike out at disgusting levels? Seeing as that's the position you're taking by rebuking my argument. I'd be quite happy to hear it.

 

I think KO is just the same as any other out. If you were to take a player like Ryan Howard whose main strength as a hitter is power. You are to take that away from him with 2 strikes, just to avoid a KO. So he "chokes up" or whatever and gets a couple of more runners moved over or scored, or he hits like he normally does. I will take my chances with what he normally does. Let the Cesar Izturiuses of the world choke up.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

considering a guy who Ks a lot is likely to be a more productive hitter.

Um, what? Define "productive."

 

There are 12 players with 140+ strikeouts. 8 of them have at least an .850 OPS, and 2 more are center fielders slightly above .800.

 

There are 30 players with less than 70 strikeouts. 8 of them have at least an .800 OPS. 7 are in the .600's.

[fromthestretch]

200 for reynolds!!!!

 

at least cust and howard (most years) give you high obp and a lot of power to go with their high strikeout totals. there's no reason that a player of reynolds' profile should be striking out 200 times in a year.

 

There's no reason ANYBODY should be striking out 200 times per year, high OBP or not.

 

your baseball knowledge is definitely in the bottom 10 percent of this board

 

And you're a borderline troll who should have been banned long ago.

 

And, seeing as you're a genius, would you care to explain to me why it's a good thing that they're striking out 200 times per year? Care to tell me why with runners on the corners and one out, it's ok that he strikes out, instead of putting the ball in play and perhaps getting the runner home?

 

Yes, when you strike out you avoid the double play. But that is worst-case scenario. If there's not a runner on 1st, a strikeout isn't any better than a ground out or a fly ball. At least with a fly ball or grounder, you can possibly advance the runners. With a strikeout, barring a dropped 3rd strike, they don't. It's simple, really.

 

So, care to tell me why it's desirable for a high OBP guy to strike out at disgusting levels? Seeing as that's the position you're taking by rebuking my argument. I'd be quite happy to hear it.

 

Not a single person has said it's desirable or even a good thing. It's just that it's a hell of a lot easier to look past the strikeout totals when a guy is putting up a .900 OPS. Cutting back on their strikeouts is not necessarily going to make most of these guys more productive hitters. For many, it could make them worse.

[Guest]

Cust's 3K day gives him 195 and an outside shot at 200. Reynolds stays at 201 while Howard picks up two more to move to 198.

[Jehrico]

200 for reynolds!!!!

 

at least cust and howard (most years) give you high obp and a lot of power to go with their high strikeout totals. there's no reason that a player of reynolds' profile should be striking out 200 times in a year.

 

There's no reason ANYBODY should be striking out 200 times per year, high OBP or not.

 

your baseball knowledge is definitely in the bottom 10 percent of this board

 

And you're a borderline troll who should have been banned long ago.

 

And, seeing as you're a genius, would you care to explain to me why it's a good thing that they're striking out 200 times per year? Care to tell me why with runners on the corners and one out, it's ok that he strikes out, instead of putting the ball in play and perhaps getting the runner home?

 

Yes, when you strike out you avoid the double play. But that is worst-case scenario. If there's not a runner on 1st, a strikeout isn't any better than a ground out or a fly ball. At least with a fly ball or grounder, you can possibly advance the runners. With a strikeout, barring a dropped 3rd strike, they don't. It's simple, really.

 

So, care to tell me why it's desirable for a high OBP guy to strike out at disgusting levels? Seeing as that's the position you're taking by rebuking my argument. I'd be quite happy to hear it.

 

Not a single person has said it's desirable or even a good thing. It's just that it's a hell of a lot easier to look past the strikeout totals when a guy is putting up a .900 OPS. Cutting back on their strikeouts is not necessarily going to make most of these guys more productive hitters. For many, it could make them worse.

In Reynolds case, it wouldn't make him any worse, that's for sure...