If MVP really means MVP, Soriano should win it.

[David]

Neifi saved us in 06.... Ask Dusty.

[David]

I change my pick, the Cubs are 48-15 when Marmol pitches in a game, and 28-33 when he doesn't. He should be baseball's MVP.

 

Outstanding logic :roll:

 

Comparing a pitcher to a position player. LOL.

 

48-15 with him, 28-33 without him. Nuff said.

 

Yup. And he really sets the tone for the offense in those games. Like I said, outstanding logic. :thumbsup:

 

Who cares what he does to help the team, they are obviously 48-15 with him and a horrible 28-33 without him. Are you trying to tell me that there is more to a player's value than W/L record in games they appear in?

 

I put his personal stats up as well. Of course, you choose to ignore them, so carry on with Marmol for MVP!! Wooo hooo!

 

No I saw them but didn't feel they added to your argument. His projected 162 game HRs and RBIs? His relative place among leadoff hitters? And your RPG argument didn't really prove anything, since you chose to ignore several times my points about the fact that there were other factors at play besides Soriano being out.

 

Hmmm, Piniella's and DeRo's comments weren't good enough for you either? :scratch:

 

I can find all kinds of quotes by major leaguers talking up crappy players (like Theriot talking about Neifi's greatness).

 

Sorinao's a crappy player?? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

once again, no, that's not what he said at all and you missed the point completely

[ConstableRabbit]

And where are the other OBVIOUS MVP candidates from the posters?

FWIW, I compared Soriano to Pujols and you replied "what does that have to do with anything?" Then ignored my response.

[David]

And where are the other OBVIOUS MVP candidates from the posters?

 

Berkman, Pujols, and Hanley Ramirez are all much more deserving candidates than Soriano

 

Hell, there's people that won't even be in the conversation for MVP that would be better candidates.

[UMFan83]

I change my pick, the Cubs are 48-15 when Marmol pitches in a game, and 28-33 when he doesn't. He should be baseball's MVP.

 

Outstanding logic :roll:

 

Comparing a pitcher to a position player. LOL.

 

48-15 with him, 28-33 without him. Nuff said.

 

Yup. And he really sets the tone for the offense in those games. Like I said, outstanding logic. :thumbsup:

 

Who cares what he does to help the team, they are obviously 48-15 with him and a horrible 28-33 without him. Are you trying to tell me that there is more to a player's value than W/L record in games they appear in?

 

I put his personal stats up as well. Of course, you choose to ignore them, so carry on with Marmol for MVP!! Wooo hooo!

 

No I saw them but didn't feel they added to your argument. His projected 162 game HRs and RBIs? His relative place among leadoff hitters? And your RPG argument didn't really prove anything, since you chose to ignore several times my points about the fact that there were other factors at play besides Soriano being out.

 

Hmmm, Piniella's and DeRo's comments weren't good enough for you either? :scratch:

Lmao, so if a teammate and/or manager says that a team's best player was missed when he was out and they're glad to have him back, he's MVP?

 

Then again, when Pujols was out, TLR and Troy Glaus said they were glad he was hurt because he's not a gamer and they would still be awesome without him.

 

They were mad because Pujols refused to be a team player and use the pixie dust, because he wanted to do things naturally.

[ChiCubsfan0502]

Hmmm, Piniella's and DeRo's comments weren't good enough for you either? :scratch:

 

 

i bet if you asked a player and manager from every team, they'd offer support for soriano as MVP too.

 

But none of it has any merit? I can't believe, with the numbers as plain as day as to what Sori brings to the team (Win/loss record, personal stats), you ignore them as nothing.

 

WOW!!

[inari]

I change my pick, the Cubs are 48-15 when Marmol pitches in a game, and 28-33 when he doesn't. He should be baseball's MVP.

 

Outstanding logic :roll:

 

Comparing a pitcher to a position player. LOL.

 

48-15 with him, 28-33 without him. Nuff said.

 

Yup. And he really sets the tone for the offense in those games. Like I said, outstanding logic. :thumbsup:

 

Who cares what he does to help the team, they are obviously 48-15 with him and a horrible 28-33 without him. Are you trying to tell me that there is more to a player's value than W/L record in games they appear in?

 

I put his personal stats up as well. Of course, you choose to ignore them, so carry on with Marmol for MVP!! Wooo hooo!

 

No I saw them but didn't feel they added to your argument. His projected 162 game HRs and RBIs? His relative place among leadoff hitters? And your RPG argument didn't really prove anything, since you chose to ignore several times my points about the fact that there were other factors at play besides Soriano being out.

 

Hmmm, Piniella's and DeRo's comments weren't good enough for you either? :scratch:

 

I can find all kinds of quotes by major leaguers talking up crappy players (like Theriot talking about Neifi's greatness).

 

Sorinao's a crappy player?? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

Stop being intentionally dense just because you made a really bad argument.

[David]

Hmmm, Piniella's and DeRo's comments weren't good enough for you either? :scratch:

 

 

i bet if you asked a player and manager from every team, they'd offer support for soriano as MVP too.

 

But none of it has any merit? I can't believe, with the numbers as plain as day as to what Sori brings to the team (Win/loss record, personal stats), you ignore them as nothing.

 

WOW!!

 

ok, you're obviously trolling because nobody can be this good at misunderstanding things.

[imb]

Soriano in no way deserves the MVP of anything. He wouldn't even be the MVP of our own division. shut up

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

Soriano in no way deserves the MVP of anything. He wouldn't even be the MVP of our own division. shut up

 

What he said. An argument can be made for team MVP, but again it loses.

[abuck1220]

i can deal with stupid threads. but terrible smack talking is taking this thread down to an entirely new level.

[ChiCubsfan0502]

Hmmm, Piniella's and DeRo's comments weren't good enough for you either? :scratch:

 

 

i bet if you asked a player and manager from every team, they'd offer support for soriano as MVP too.

 

But none of it has any merit? I can't believe, with the numbers as plain as day as to what Sori brings to the team (Win/loss record, personal stats), you ignore them as nothing.

 

WOW!!

 

ok, you're obviously trolling because nobody can be this good at misunderstanding things.

 

So why doesn't he deserve consideration then?

[UMFan83]

Soriano in no way deserves the MVP of anything. He wouldn't even be the MVP of our own division. shut up

 

He might not even be the MVP of the left side of the Cubs field. Not because Soriano is bad (he is very good), but Ramirez is pretty damn awesome. If only he could get hurt so we could figure out his true value.

[inari]

Hmmm, Piniella's and DeRo's comments weren't good enough for you either? :scratch:

 

 

i bet if you asked a player and manager from every team, they'd offer support for soriano as MVP too.

 

But none of it has any merit? I can't believe, with the numbers as plain as day as to what Sori brings to the team (Win/loss record, personal stats), you ignore them as nothing.

 

WOW!!

 

ok, you're obviously trolling because nobody can be this good at misunderstanding things.

 

So why doesn't he deserve consideration then?

 

Because his numbers aren't good enough and he's missed too much time.

 

That was so easy.

[David]

Hmmm, Piniella's and DeRo's comments weren't good enough for you either? :scratch:

 

 

i bet if you asked a player and manager from every team, they'd offer support for soriano as MVP too.

 

But none of it has any merit? I can't believe, with the numbers as plain as day as to what Sori brings to the team (Win/loss record, personal stats), you ignore them as nothing.

 

WOW!!

 

ok, you're obviously trolling because nobody can be this good at misunderstanding things.

 

So why doesn't he deserve consideration then?

 

 

Because he hasn't been nearly as valuable as few other players in his own division, much less the whole league?

[Moises a loo]

Soriano in no way deserves the MVP of anything. He wouldn't even be the MVP of our own division. shut up

 

He might not even be the MVP of the left side of the Cubs field. Not because Soriano is bad (he is very good), but Ramirez is pretty damn awesome. If only he could get hurt so we could figure out his true value.

 

Awesome.

[bukie]

Going by statistics that attempt to equate pitching to offense to defense, the most valuable player for the Cubs has been:

 

Win Shares: Zambrano with 17, followed closely by Ramirez and Soto with 16

Runs Created (which ignores pitchers batting): Dempster with 87 followed by Ramirez with 84

VORP: Dempster with 44.6, then Zambrano with 38.3, highest batter is Ramirez at 33.1

 

And this is just for the Cubs, not the whole league.

 

Statistically, the MVP should be Pujols or Berkman.

[ChiCubsfan0502]

Hmmm, Piniella's and DeRo's comments weren't good enough for you either? :scratch:

 

 

i bet if you asked a player and manager from every team, they'd offer support for soriano as MVP too.

 

But none of it has any merit? I can't believe, with the numbers as plain as day as to what Sori brings to the team (Win/loss record, personal stats), you ignore them as nothing.

 

WOW!!

 

ok, you're obviously trolling because nobody can be this good at misunderstanding things.

 

So why doesn't he deserve consideration then?

 

Because his numbers aren't good enough and he's missed too much time.

 

That was so easy.

 

So, MVP is about numbers only? Yea, the time he missed we were an average team, with him, we roll.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

we've reached new heights with this thread. or lows. somebody help me out here

[ConstableRabbit]

Hmmm, Piniella's and DeRo's comments weren't good enough for you either? :scratch:

 

 

i bet if you asked a player and manager from every team, they'd offer support for soriano as MVP too.

 

But none of it has any merit? I can't believe, with the numbers as plain as day as to what Sori brings to the team (Win/loss record, personal stats), you ignore them as nothing.

 

WOW!!

 

ok, you're obviously trolling because nobody can be this good at misunderstanding things.

 

So why doesn't he deserve consideration then?

He's not one of the top 5 players in baseball. He's not one of the top 5 players in the NL. He's not one of the top 5 players in the NL Central.

[David]

i wish this thread would disappear so I could stop wanting to reply to stupid things said in it

[inari]

Hmmm, Piniella's and DeRo's comments weren't good enough for you either? :scratch:

 

 

i bet if you asked a player and manager from every team, they'd offer support for soriano as MVP too.

 

But none of it has any merit? I can't believe, with the numbers as plain as day as to what Sori brings to the team (Win/loss record, personal stats), you ignore them as nothing.

 

WOW!!

 

ok, you're obviously trolling because nobody can be this good at misunderstanding things.

 

So why doesn't he deserve consideration then?

 

Because his numbers aren't good enough and he's missed too much time.

 

That was so easy.

 

So, MVP is about numbers only? Yea, the time he missed we were an average team, with him, we roll.

 

See: Every other post in this thread. This argument has been shot down already. There was a lot more going on than just Soriano's absense that hurt the Cubs.

[abuck1220]

everybody just say soriano's the mvp so this terrible thread can die. my goodness.

[bukie]

He's not one of the top 5 players in baseball. He's not one of the top 5 players in the NL. He's not one of the top 5 players in the NL Central.

 

It's still possible that he's one of the top 5 players on his own team, though. Depends on how much you value Wood or Marmol. Zambrano, Dempster, Ramirez, Soto have all been fantastic this year.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

He's not one of the top 5 players in baseball. He's not one of the top 5 players in the NL. He's not one of the top 5 players in the NL Central.

yes, but it's arguable that he's one of the top 5 players on his team