Sullivan - Cuban moving up on the outside

[UK1679666180]

it's starting to look like he's the favorite to buy the team.

 

Why would you say that? Kerry Wood has no say in the new owner and neither do the players. They should be careful what they wish for if they enjoy having their clubhouse to themselves. JMHO based on past observations.

 

Just asking...but if Cuban wasn't involved, would most fans really care that much who has the winning bid to purchase the Cubs? I think not.

 

I think they would, I don't think initially they would be able to make the same assumption as far as whether or not the new ownership will cont. to finance an expensive payroll as Cuban likely will.

 

You've seen it here in regards to Canning and his group, the skeptical approach towards his relationship w/Selig.

 

Also, not much has been mentioned of the current biders other than Cuban so little is known about them.

[Section538]

Just asking...but if Cuban wasn't involved, would most fans really care that much who has the winning bid to purchase the Cubs? I think not.

 

Most fans? Maybe not.

 

Fans that care about winning and the future direction of the team - I'd sure think so.

[C.C.]

Speaking of the Charity event is Sarah Wood getting hotter and hotter with every passing year?!?!?!

[BleacherBadger]

Speaking of the Charity event is Sarah Wood getting hotter and hotter with every passing year?!?!?!

 

Thought the same thing when I saw the highlights last night.

[Derwood]

Cuban looks like Wil Wheaton in that photo

[Banedon]

They should be careful what they wish for if they enjoy having their clubhouse to themselves. JMHO based on past observations.

 

I don't even know what this means. Having the clubhouse to themselves? Who are they sharing it with now that they wouldn't share it with if Cuban was around? I'm confused what you're driving at.

 

Just asking...but if Cuban wasn't involved, would most fans really care that much who has the winning bid to purchase the Cubs? I think not.

 

Some would, some wouldn't. It's still be a huge story because of the amount of money involved, and the fact that the Trib has owned the team for so long...it's going to be a massive change no matter who gets the team.

 

I know you don't like Cuban, but I think you're letting that keep you from looking at this situation with much objectivity.

[USSoccer]

Just asking...but if Cuban wasn't involved, would most fans really care that much who has the winning bid to purchase the Cubs? I think not.

 

Some would, some wouldn't. It's still be a huge story because of the amount of money involved, and the fact that the Trib has owned the team for so long...it's going to be a massive change no matter who gets the team.

 

I know you don't like Cuban, but I think you're letting that keep you from looking at this situation with much objectivity.

 

Whoa, wait a minute. That's unpossible.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

it's starting to look like he's the favorite to buy the team.

 

Why would you say that? Kerry Wood has no say in the new owner and neither do the players. They should be careful what they wish for if they enjoy having their clubhouse to themselves. JMHO based on past observations.

 

Just asking...but if Cuban wasn't involved, would most fans really care that much who has the winning bid to purchase the Cubs? I think not.

 

I don't recall any Mavericks players complaining about Mark Cuban's presence in the clubhouse or at the games in any regard. Dallas which was viewed as the joke of the NBA became a franchise players looked to when they became free agents.

 

Plus, it is not like Cuban is some stuffy businessman that is going to make the players feel uneasy because of his presence in the locker room.

 

Before Cuban was even considered a possibility, I recall fans showing interest in Don Levin as the possible future owner. Levin was viewed favorably by many because he is viewed as a business man that also has a love of sports. This sounds a bit like Cuban in my opinion. Fans (here atleast) care enough to know that they didn't/don't want Canning and his group near the team.

 

But, I do agree that the casual fan probably could not care less.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

it's starting to look like he's the favorite to buy the team.

 

Why would you say that? Kerry Wood has no say in the new owner and neither do the players. They should be careful what they wish for if they enjoy having their clubhouse to themselves. JMHO based on past observations.

 

Just asking...but if Cuban wasn't involved, would most fans really care that much who has the winning bid to purchase the Cubs? I think not.

 

I don't recall any Mavericks players complaining about Mark Cuban's presence in the clubhouse or at the games in any regard. Dallas which was viewed as the joke of the NBA became a franchise players looked to when they became free agents.

 

Plus, it is not like Cuban is some stuffy businessman that is going to make the players feel uneasy because of his presence in the locker room.

 

Before Cuban was even considered a possibility, I recall fans showing interest in Don Levin as the possible future owner. Levin was viewed favorably by many because he is viewed as a business man that also has a love of sports. This sounds a bit like Cuban in my opinion. Fans (here atleast) care enough to know that they didn't/don't want Canning and his group near the team.

 

But, I do agree that the casual fan probably could not care less.

[Vanilla Ice]

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[RonnieWooWooSanto]

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Third time's a charm! :D

 

Serioulsly, no explanation. #-o

[Magnetic Curses]

it's starting to look like he's the favorite to buy the team.

 

Why would you say that?

 

because he's the highest bidder?

[David]

When is the next round or whatever of bidding? Or whatever the next milestone in this process is....

[Sammy Sofa]

They should be careful what they wish for if they enjoy having their clubhouse to themselves. JMHO based on past observations.

 

I don't even know what this means. Having the clubhouse to themselves? Who are they sharing it with now that they wouldn't share it with if Cuban was around? I'm confused what you're driving at.

 

Cuban's got a thing for taking really long showers.

[Banedon]

Cuban's got a thing for taking really long showers.

 

"Our locker room is pretty awesome," joked Cubs pitcher Ryan Dempster on Wednesday during a charity celebrity bowling event that Cuban attended. "We get to see everybody naked, and hang out and have a good time."

[RedIvyCub]

They should be careful what they wish for if they enjoy having their clubhouse to themselves. JMHO based on past observations.

 

I don't even know what this means. Having the clubhouse to themselves? Who are they sharing it with now that they wouldn't share it with if Cuban was around? I'm confused what you're driving at.

 

Just asking...but if Cuban wasn't involved, would most fans really care that much who has the winning bid to purchase the Cubs? I think not.

 

Some would, some wouldn't. It's still be a huge story because of the amount of money involved, and the fact that the Trib has owned the team for so long...it's going to be a massive change no matter who gets the team.

 

I know you don't like Cuban, but I think you're letting that keep you from looking at this situation with much objectivity.

 

As you know, the clubhouse is the players "haven" so to speak as you well know. They don't like FO types hanging out down there (::ahem:: Ed Lynch) all the time. Now only based on what I have seen and heard of Cuban, he is the type who will take up residence in there. Maybe not explained so well but the best I can do because I don't want anything taken the wrong way.

 

It's JMHO but I don't think Cuban is the best caretaker for this club long term. I try to look at it from the long term perspective. I also think based on things I have heard that many of the owners think he is good for the Cubs long term. I know they still regret having Loria as an owner. Wikipedia is not the best source but based upon what I know about the story, it's pretty accurate:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Loria

His first baseball venture came in 1989, when he purchased the minor league Oklahoma City 89ers. During the 1990s he attempted to purchase several Major League teams, notably the Baltimore Orioles. Finally, in 1999, he bought a 12 percent interest in the Expos for $24 million, replacing managing partner Claude Brochu. After executing a series of controversial "cash calls" Loria became the team's majority partner at 94%. Loria was instrumental in the firing of manager Felipe Alou, but chose to be unavailable during the news conference.[citation needed]

 

One of Loria's first acts was to reiterate demands for a new park for the Expos to replace Olympic Stadium, of which he bluntly said, "We cannot stay here." He lost a considerable amount of goodwill with Expos fans when the team was not able to reach an agreement for television and English-speaking radio coverage during the 2000 season, as the Expos tried to increase their revenue from broadcast rights. Both the municipal and provincial governments balked at public financing for the proposed Labatt Park, in part because Olympic Stadium still hadn't been paid for 25 years after being built[3] (and wouldn't be paid for, as it turned out, until 2006).

 

In 2002, as part of an orchestrated move with Bud Selig and John W. Henry (owner of the Florida Marlins at the time), Loria sold the Expos to "Expos Baseball, LP," a partnership of the other 29 major league clubs, for $120 million. Henry then sold the Marlins to Loria for $158.5 million, including a $38.5 million no-interest loan from MLB. The deal was approved by the other owners before Loria and Henry even signed a contract.[4] Loria moved the Expos' entire front office and on-field staff to Florida. MLB's plans to contract the Expos and Minnesota Twins failed, though, as the Twins were compelled through legal action to fulfill the terms of their lease at the Metrodome. Loria's partners in the Expos ownership consortium filed a RICO lawsuit against Loria and Major League Baseball, but it eventually went to arbitration and was settled out of court for an undisclosed sum.[5] The Expos were ultimately transferred to Washington, D.C. as the Nationals.

 

Loria's first move as owner of the Marlins was to fire 60 employees, replacing them mostly with former Expos staff. Marlins team president David Samson, Loria's step son, mentioned during the 2005 offseason that the Marlins were exploring attempts to relocate.

[Derwood]

i don't know what in Cuban's NBA history would make you think he would be bad long term. He took arguably the worst NBA team (at the time) and made them perennial playoff contenders. I haven't seen any backlash and it's been 10+ years.

[Banedon]

I geniuinely mean no offense here, but did you pick Loria for comparison simply because he was the worst owner you could think of? Because what possible parallel could there be otherwise?

[jersey cubs fan]

They should be careful what they wish for if they enjoy having their clubhouse to themselves. JMHO based on past observations.

 

I don't even know what this means. Having the clubhouse to themselves? Who are they sharing it with now that they wouldn't share it with if Cuban was around? I'm confused what you're driving at.

 

Just asking...but if Cuban wasn't involved, would most fans really care that much who has the winning bid to purchase the Cubs? I think not.

 

Some would, some wouldn't. It's still be a huge story because of the amount of money involved, and the fact that the Trib has owned the team for so long...it's going to be a massive change no matter who gets the team.

 

I know you don't like Cuban, but I think you're letting that keep you from looking at this situation with much objectivity.

 

As you know, the clubhouse is the players "haven" so to speak as you well know. They don't like FO types hanging out down there (::ahem:: Ed Lynch) all the time. Now only based on what I have seen and heard of Cuban, he is the type who will take up residence in there. Maybe not explained so well but the best I can do because I don't want anything taken the wrong way.

 

It's JMHO but I don't think Cuban is the best caretaker for this club long term. I try to look at it from the long term perspective. I also think based on things I have heard that many of the owners think he is good for the Cubs long term. I know they still regret having Loria as an owner. Wikipedia is not the best source but based upon what I know about the story, it's pretty accurate:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Loria

His first baseball venture came in 1989, when he purchased the minor league Oklahoma City 89ers. During the 1990s he attempted to purchase several Major League teams, notably the Baltimore Orioles. Finally, in 1999, he bought a 12 percent interest in the Expos for $24 million, replacing managing partner Claude Brochu. After executing a series of controversial "cash calls" Loria became the team's majority partner at 94%. Loria was instrumental in the firing of manager Felipe Alou, but chose to be unavailable during the news conference.[citation needed]

 

One of Loria's first acts was to reiterate demands for a new park for the Expos to replace Olympic Stadium, of which he bluntly said, "We cannot stay here." He lost a considerable amount of goodwill with Expos fans when the team was not able to reach an agreement for television and English-speaking radio coverage during the 2000 season, as the Expos tried to increase their revenue from broadcast rights. Both the municipal and provincial governments balked at public financing for the proposed Labatt Park, in part because Olympic Stadium still hadn't been paid for 25 years after being built[3] (and wouldn't be paid for, as it turned out, until 2006).

 

In 2002, as part of an orchestrated move with Bud Selig and John W. Henry (owner of the Florida Marlins at the time), Loria sold the Expos to "Expos Baseball, LP," a partnership of the other 29 major league clubs, for $120 million. Henry then sold the Marlins to Loria for $158.5 million, including a $38.5 million no-interest loan from MLB. The deal was approved by the other owners before Loria and Henry even signed a contract.[4] Loria moved the Expos' entire front office and on-field staff to Florida. MLB's plans to contract the Expos and Minnesota Twins failed, though, as the Twins were compelled through legal action to fulfill the terms of their lease at the Metrodome. Loria's partners in the Expos ownership consortium filed a RICO lawsuit against Loria and Major League Baseball, but it eventually went to arbitration and was settled out of court for an undisclosed sum.[5] The Expos were ultimately transferred to Washington, D.C. as the Nationals.

 

Loria's first move as owner of the Marlins was to fire 60 employees, replacing them mostly with former Expos staff. Marlins team president David Samson, Loria's step son, mentioned during the 2005 offseason that the Marlins were exploring attempts to relocate.

 

I don't see the Cuban/Loria connection.

 

And I don't really see the longterm negative that Cuban brings. I don't believe he's the answer to all our worries, but I do think he's as good a bet as anybody to be a good steward of the Cubs. I don't see him running them into the ground. Perhaps he'd be a bit more likely than some to push prospects for veterans trades, but I doubt he's going to push so hard as to kill the team.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

anyone can edit a "wiki" page.

[shnsajax]

I don't really understand what Loria has to do with this? The Montreal situation also really has nothing to do with this either.

[Sammy Sofa]

What do Cuban and Loria have to do with each other outside of owning sports franchises?

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I don't really understand what Loria has to do with this? The Montreal situation also really has nothing to do with this either.

lol..that did come out of left field.