Does anyone trust Bob Howry?

[imb]

I was threatening to Tonya Harding Jason Marquis earlier, so I hope its not a big deal

 

Honestly both of them could use the treatment

 

So what you and Jericho are saying is you want Bob Howry and Jason Marquis to make a sex tape and leak it to the internet..........

 

celebrity boxing imo

[Wilson A2000]

We already applied that to Wuertz when we ignored the fact that he can't get out AAA hitters since his demotion. That was the point.

Which he actually did a good job of last night, which made it odd that you ignored that when you posted his AAA numbers.

 

I did so because the argument was that Wuertz replacing Howry is a move that should've been made long ago.

 

He had the second-best ERA on the team when he was demoted.

[Derwood]

We already applied that to Wuertz when we ignored the fact that he can't get out AAA hitters since his demotion. That was the point.

Which he actually did a good job of last night, which made it odd that you ignored that when you posted his AAA numbers.

 

I did so because the argument was that Wuertz replacing Howry is a move that should've been made long ago.

 

He had the second-best ERA on the team when he was demoted.

 

and since ERA is the best way to evaluate relief pitchers with a small amount of innings pitched....

[TheHawk]

I think Howry is pitching himself off a possible postseason roster, which is what really matters.

[Wilson A2000]

We already applied that to Wuertz when we ignored the fact that he can't get out AAA hitters since his demotion. That was the point.

Which he actually did a good job of last night, which made it odd that you ignored that when you posted his AAA numbers.

 

I did so because the argument was that Wuertz replacing Howry is a move that should've been made long ago.

 

He had the second-best ERA on the team when he was demoted.

 

and since ERA is the best way to evaluate relief pitchers with a small amount of innings pitched....

 

I never said it was the best way. Did you happen to check his % of inherited runners that scored?

[Derwood]

We already applied that to Wuertz when we ignored the fact that he can't get out AAA hitters since his demotion. That was the point.

Which he actually did a good job of last night, which made it odd that you ignored that when you posted his AAA numbers.

 

I did so because the argument was that Wuertz replacing Howry is a move that should've been made long ago.

 

He had the second-best ERA on the team when he was demoted.

 

and since ERA is the best way to evaluate relief pitchers with a small amount of innings pitched....

 

I never said it was the best way. Did you happen to check his % of inherited runners that scored?

 

no, but I checked his WHIP

[Jehrico]

I say again, someone needs to pull a Tonya Harding on Bobby Howry. Even if it was already 1 September, I don't want him on my 40 man.

 

Doesn't this cross the line just a little bit?

Tell me you don't need me to post in green...

[Fro]

You can't trust Howry because he's the only arm in the pen that's not a converted starter

 

Cotts, Gaudin, Marmol, Marshall, and Wood have all started ML games (and the last 4 have been pretty good starters)

 

That leaves Shark, who was starting in AAA.

[Jehrico]

You can't trust Howry because he's the only arm in the pen that's not a converted starter

 

Cotts, Gaudin, Marmol, Marshall, and Wood have all started ML games (and the last 4 have been pretty good starters)

 

That leaves Shark, who was starting in AAA.

Marmol wasn't a good starter at all because he doesn't have a good third pitch. That's why he was converted into a reliever. You can be a dominant reliever with two good pitches, as Marmol proves.

[imb]

You can't trust Howry because he's the only arm in the pen that's not a converted starter

 

Cotts, Gaudin, Marmol, Marshall, and Wood have all started ML games (and the last 4 have been pretty good starters)

 

That leaves Shark, who was starting in AAA.

Marmol wasn't a good starter at all because he doesn't have a good third pitch. That's why he was converted into a reliever. You can be a dominant reliever with two good pitches, as Marmol proves.

 

marmol was a good starter in the minors

 

that time has likely passed, obviously, but the reason marmol wasn't a success as a starter in the majors go way beyond the lack of a third pitch

[Jehrico]

You can't trust Howry because he's the only arm in the pen that's not a converted starter

 

Cotts, Gaudin, Marmol, Marshall, and Wood have all started ML games (and the last 4 have been pretty good starters)

 

That leaves Shark, who was starting in AAA.

Marmol wasn't a good starter at all because he doesn't have a good third pitch. That's why he was converted into a reliever. You can be a dominant reliever with two good pitches, as Marmol proves.

 

marmol was a good starter in the minors

 

that time has likely passed, obviously, but the reason marmol wasn't a success as a starter in the majors go way beyond the lack of a third pitch

No, not really.

[cubweiser03]

The acquistion of Chad Gaudin is huge. Takes the sting out of Howry sucking so bad, and man has he sucked.

When it comes to playoffs all you really need are 3 good relievers and a loogy.

Wood, Marmol, Gaudin. Marshall and Cotts for Loogy and for good measure Leiber +/- Shark. Getting to the playoffs may have rough strectches with Howry but once they are there it shouldnt matter because Gaudin has been solid. Its ending up being the Harden/Gaudin trade and not just the Rich Harden trade.

[Guest]

You can't trust Howry because he's the only arm in the pen that's not a converted starter

 

Cotts, Gaudin, Marmol, Marshall, and Wood have all started ML games (and the last 4 have been pretty good starters)

 

That leaves Shark, who was starting in AAA.

Marmol wasn't a good starter at all because he doesn't have a good third pitch. That's why he was converted into a reliever. You can be a dominant reliever with two good pitches, as Marmol proves.

 

marmol was a good starter in the minors

 

that time has likely passed, obviously, but the reason marmol wasn't a success as a starter in the majors go way beyond the lack of a third pitch

No, not really.

 

He struggled as a starter as a rookie, that doesn't mean he would never have become a good starter. His change is passable, his control/pitch count would have needed work.

[Jehrico]

You can't trust Howry because he's the only arm in the pen that's not a converted starter

 

Cotts, Gaudin, Marmol, Marshall, and Wood have all started ML games (and the last 4 have been pretty good starters)

 

That leaves Shark, who was starting in AAA.

Marmol wasn't a good starter at all because he doesn't have a good third pitch. That's why he was converted into a reliever. You can be a dominant reliever with two good pitches, as Marmol proves.

 

marmol was a good starter in the minors

 

that time has likely passed, obviously, but the reason marmol wasn't a success as a starter in the majors go way beyond the lack of a third pitch

No, not really.

 

He struggled as a starter as a rookie, that doesn't mean he would never have become a good starter. His change is passable, his control/pitch count would have needed work.

You may be right (I'd call his change up as mediocre at best, and that's maybe a little generous), but the perception of not having three major league pitches in the front office most certainly was the deciding factor in him converting into a reliever when he went down after those initial struggles. Had he had a better change than what he does, I think his chances of sticking as a starter three years ago would have been considerably higher.

[CubColtPacer]

You can't trust Howry because he's the only arm in the pen that's not a converted starter

 

Cotts, Gaudin, Marmol, Marshall, and Wood have all started ML games (and the last 4 have been pretty good starters)

 

That leaves Shark, who was starting in AAA.

Marmol wasn't a good starter at all because he doesn't have a good third pitch. That's why he was converted into a reliever. You can be a dominant reliever with two good pitches, as Marmol proves.

 

marmol was a good starter in the minors

 

that time has likely passed, obviously, but the reason marmol wasn't a success as a starter in the majors go way beyond the lack of a third pitch

No, not really.

 

He struggled as a starter as a rookie, that doesn't mean he would never have become a good starter. His change is passable, his control/pitch count would have needed work.

You may be right (I'd call his change up as mediocre at best, and that's maybe a little generous), but the perception of not having three major league pitches in the front office most certainly was the deciding factor in him converting into a reliever when he went down after those initial struggles. Had he had a better change than what he does, I think his chances of sticking as a starter three years ago would have been considerably higher.

 

His conversion into a reliever was because the Cubs needed an extra bullpen arm in the middle of the year last year, and Marmol was the best choice (at the time he was doing well as a starter at Iowa). So that's why he was the one called up, and he ended up being so dominant as a reliever that the Cubs decided to keep him there rather than risk switching him back.

 

The perception of 2 pitches might have factored into them keeping him as a reliever (although I think his dominance was a much bigger factor), but his conversion into a reliever was strictly need based.

[soapy]

As Raisin mentioned, I always felt like his control was what was leading him to stuggle as a starter (at the MLB level), not his lack of pitches.

[Schwarber Fan]

The beat goes on...

[WeberJazz]

Wow...get rid of this guy.

[Derwood]

given the choice, i'd rather leave Howry off the playoff roster than Marquis

[biittner77]

given the choice, i'd rather leave Howry in the Atlanta airport

 

fixed

[RedFlash]

I appreciate the first two yrs Howry has given to the Cubs. I appreciate fact that tonight he tried throwing---what I thought was---both a slider and a change to give the hitter a different look. But what I don't appreciate is Howry being hit around harder then a drunken cheerleader at a frat party.

[imb]

You can't trust Howry because he's the only arm in the pen that's not a converted starter

 

Cotts, Gaudin, Marmol, Marshall, and Wood have all started ML games (and the last 4 have been pretty good starters)

 

That leaves Shark, who was starting in AAA.

Marmol wasn't a good starter at all because he doesn't have a good third pitch. That's why he was converted into a reliever. You can be a dominant reliever with two good pitches, as Marmol proves.

 

marmol was a good starter in the minors

 

that time has likely passed, obviously, but the reason marmol wasn't a success as a starter in the majors go way beyond the lack of a third pitch

No, not really.

 

He struggled as a starter as a rookie, that doesn't mean he would never have become a good starter. His change is passable, his control/pitch count would have needed work.

You may be right (I'd call his change up as mediocre at best, and that's maybe a little generous), but the perception of not having three major league pitches in the front office most certainly was the deciding factor in him converting into a reliever when he went down after those initial struggles. Had he had a better change than what he does, I think his chances of sticking as a starter three years ago would have been considerably higher.

 

His conversion into a reliever was because the Cubs needed an extra bullpen arm in the middle of the year last year, and Marmol was the best choice (at the time he was doing well as a starter at Iowa). So that's why he was the one called up, and he ended up being so dominant as a reliever that the Cubs decided to keep him there rather than risk switching him back.

 

The perception of 2 pitches might have factored into them keeping him as a reliever (although I think his dominance was a much bigger factor), but his conversion into a reliever was strictly need based.

 

Jehrico, I don't know why I'm even on this track

Y'all ain't even on my level

I'm going to let my little homies ride on you

[BigSlick]

I appreciate the first two yrs Howry has given to the Cubs. I appreciate fact that tonight he tried throwing---what I thought was---both a slider and a change to give the hitter a different look. But what I don't appreciate is Howry being hit around harder then a drunken cheerleader at a frat party.

Yeah honestly, do Lou and Hendry watch the games, or just oggle at his low walk total? He doesn't make a single bat miss. Every out he does get is usually a liner that is barely caught. The guy is just being slapped around and his OPS against is over 1.000. Its time to either stow him away forever and not put him on the play off roster, or just outright DFA him.

 

He isn't fulfilling his job as a baseball player, and I don't see anyway he can fix his problems. Not with the repertoire he is currently using.

[RedFlash]

I appreciate the first two yrs Howry has given to the Cubs. I appreciate fact that tonight he tried throwing---what I thought was---both a slider and a change to give the hitter a different look. But what I don't appreciate is Howry being hit around harder then a drunken cheerleader at a frat party.

Yeah honestly, do Lou and Hendry watch the games, or just oggle at his low walk total? He doesn't make a single bat miss. Every out he does get is usually a liner that is barely caught. The guy is just being slapped around and his OPS against is over 1.000. Its time to either stow him away forever and not put him on the play off roster, or just outright DFA him.

 

He isn't fulfilling his job as a baseball player, and I don't see anyway he can fix his problems. Not with the repertoire he is currently using.

 

I say DFA Howry, but looking at other options at AAA, only Hector Carrasco seems to merit a call up. Ascanio/Hart/Weurtz all have had mediocre numbers across the boards. Which leads me to believe the only reason why they haven't cut Howry is because the Cubs don't feel they have a suitable replacement.

[badnews]

Howry has been awful. I don't think there's anywhere left to hide him. Because of him, the Cubs had to bring their setup man and closer into a game they were winning 11-4. Give me a break.