Now what is the Cubs biggest need?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

99% of analysts clutter a broadcast with platitudes and flat out wrong opinions. Santo can add "feel" to the game by putting an emotional response to what you don't see, and for that he's better than the vast majority of analysts.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

99% of analysts clutter a broadcast with platitudes and flat out wrong opinions. Santo can add "feel" to the game by putting an emotional response to what you don't see, and for that he's better than the vast majority of analysts.

Santo is beyond the point of simply offering poor opinions....it is pretty much of collage of moans, groans, and sentence fragments.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Even if I didn't like baseball I would like listening to Ron Santo and Pat Hughes.

 

Yes, Ron can get sidetracked, and forgetful... but he loves the game and every once in a while comes up with some pretty keen observations, but sometimes you gotta wait a bit.

He doesn't do his job and he has no business up there in the booth.

 

If he was paired with less of a pro than Hughes, sure, but with Pat there you're not missing anything. Ron is a mess, but he's a fun mess since you have Hughes as such a sturdy anchor.

Kind of like when 1 year old smashes the cake all over his face I guess....

[David]

Count me in the "doesn't like Santo as an analyst but does occasionally get a laugh out of his rambling" camp...

 

 

"I'm gonna hit him!"

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Santo would be a lot more tolerable if:

 

1) He'd shut up until it was time to scream "Yes!" or "No!" or "All right!"

 

or

 

2) Pat Hughes quit letting himself get dragged down by Santo. Hughes used to be amazing and carried Santo along, now he lets Santo pull him back into stupid, pointless discussions and stories and gimmicks and schticks.

[davearm2]

99% of analysts clutter a broadcast with platitudes and flat out wrong opinions. Santo can add "feel" to the game by putting an emotional response to what you don't see, and for that he's better than the vast majority of analysts.

Well said.

 

I can't even recall the last time a color guy offered some insightful commentary that made me sit back and think, wow, I didn't realize that. Mostly it's cliches, regurgitated groupthink, and mimimally interesting decades-old anecdotes from their playing days.

 

Santo is as bad as any of them in all of the above areas, but what he does add is authentic, genuine emotion. Hughes does a wonderful job of describing what you'd see and hear if you were there, while Santo conveys how you'd feel if you were there. Great combo.

[Tracer Bullet]

99% of analysts clutter a broadcast with platitudes and flat out wrong opinions. Santo can add "feel" to the game by putting an emotional response to what you don't see, and for that he's better than the vast majority of analysts.

Well said.

 

I can't even recall the last time a color guy offered some insightful commentary that made me sit back and think, wow, I didn't realize that. Mostly it's cliches, regurgitated groupthink, and mimimally interesting decades-old anecdotes from their playing days.

 

Santo is as bad as any of them in all of the above areas, but what he does add is authentic, genuine emotion. Hughes does a wonderful job of describing what you'd see and hear if you were there, while Santo conveys how you'd feel if you were there. Great combo.

 

I actually like Orel Hershiser (sp?) as an analyst. Though he might be the only one.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I actually like Orel Hershiser (sp?) as an analyst. Though he might be the only one.

there are few baseball analysts I dislike more than Orel. he's absolutely terrible

[David]

I actually like Orel Hershiser (sp?) as an analyst. Though he might be the only one.

there are few baseball analysts I dislike more than Orel. he's absolutely terrible

[jyoung55]

My apologies, I wasn't aware that improving the team was "nitpicking". I personally like the idea of improving the team as much as possible and the next time Cedeno comes up late in the game in a crucial part of the game and shows no plate discipline and swings at garbage over his head and strikes out, you let me know if you still think that i'm "nitpicking".

 

Now, HERE'S some nit picking for ya ..........

 

Cedeno               P   PA  P/PA  BDI  LOB   RBI%
6th inning          82   19  4.32    2    5  0.286
7th inning         104   25  4.16    1   13  0.071
8th inning          79   20  3.95    8    9  0.471
9th inning          36    9  4.00    0    5  0.000

6th thru 9th       301   73  4.12   11   32  0.256
All innings        569  145  3.92   19   75  0.202

 

Factionista! Fact Nazi! Harbinger of Facts!

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I actually like Orel Hershiser (sp?) as an analyst. Though he might be the only one.

there are few baseball analysts I dislike more than Orel. he's absolutely terrible

did we just become best friends? (I've never been more excited to see a new movie than I am about Step Brothers)

[David]

I actually like Orel Hershiser (sp?) as an analyst. Though he might be the only one.

there are few baseball analysts I dislike more than Orel. he's absolutely terrible

did we just become best friends? (I've never been more excited to see a new movie than I am about Step Brothers)

 

 

I think Will Ferrell is much better off in supporting roles. Frank the Tank > * his other roles.

 

That said, Step Brothers looks like it might actually be funny.

 

Oh, and I already considered you a best friend since you had Paz as your av.

[Derwood]

I actually like Orel Hershiser (sp?) as an analyst. Though he might be the only one.

there are few baseball analysts I dislike more than Orel. he's absolutely terrible

did we just become best friends? (I've never been more excited to see a new movie than I am about Step Brothers)

 

 

I think Will Ferrell is much better off in supporting roles. Frank the Tank > * his other roles.

 

that movie was terrible

[David]

I actually like Orel Hershiser (sp?) as an analyst. Though he might be the only one.

there are few baseball analysts I dislike more than Orel. he's absolutely terrible

did we just become best friends? (I've never been more excited to see a new movie than I am about Step Brothers)

 

 

I think Will Ferrell is much better off in supporting roles. Frank the Tank > * his other roles.

 

that movie was terrible

 

no.

[weis21]

I actually like Orel Hershiser (sp?) as an analyst. Though he might be the only one.

there are few baseball analysts I dislike more than Orel. he's absolutely terrible

did we just become best friends? (I've never been more excited to see a new movie than I am about Step Brothers)

 

 

I think Will Ferrell is much better off in supporting roles. Frank the Tank > * his other roles.

 

that movie was terrible

 

no.

terribly awesome perhaps

[Derwood]

couldn't have been more disappointed considering how much everyone loved it.

[BCVM22]

99% of analysts clutter a broadcast with platitudes and flat out wrong opinions. Santo can add "feel" to the game by putting an emotional response to what you don't see, and for that he's better than the vast majority of analysts.

Santo is beyond the point of simply offering poor opinions....it is pretty much of collage of moans, groans, and sentence fragments.

 

Don't forget the achievement-donations, although those are pretty fragmented too.

 

"For that home run, WGN Radio's gonna make a big, big, big donation to... the... WGN's... fund... boy, what a big, home run!"

[sharkfan50]

My apologies, I wasn't aware that improving the team was "nitpicking". I personally like the idea of improving the team as much as possible and the next time Cedeno comes up late in the game in a crucial part of the game and shows no plate discipline and swings at garbage over his head and strikes out, you let me know if you still think that i'm "nitpicking".

 

Now, HERE'S some nit picking for ya ..........

 

Cedeno               P   PA  P/PA  BDI  LOB   RBI%
6th inning          82   19  4.32    2    5  0.286
7th inning         104   25  4.16    1   13  0.071
8th inning          79   20  3.95    8    9  0.471
9th inning          36    9  4.00    0    5  0.000

6th thru 9th       301   73  4.12   11   32  0.256
All innings        569  145  3.92   19   75  0.202

 

Factionista! Fact Nazi! Harbinger of Facts!

 

That's the beautiful thing about stats: You can pretty much use any variation to support your opinion. Just ask Rich Hill fans.

 

The stat I look at when judging how sucktacular Cedeno is as a PH is his robust .083 BA this year as a PH. Yeah, he only has 20 ab's as a PH so what does that tell you? It tells me that Lou has very little confidence in him as a PH. Not a good sign with your first choice for a RH PH. Cedeno is just sucking up a roster spot and he is thankfully not long on this roster as Hendry is more than aware of this weakness.

 

Maybe I did overreact slightly about saying that this is the most "glaring" hole on this team ( which is actually a good thing when a single bench player is your most glaring hole- means you're a good team) but it definitely is something that has to be and will be addressed. Like I said previously, those of you who don't think that improving this need is not a big deal, the next time Cedeno is up as a PH late in a game and he swings at junk over his head and chokes yet again, I will bump this thread.

 

I not only want someone who is a good PH in his roster spot, but a veteran who's been through pressure situations late in games. That's another thing I dislike about Cedeno, he's a headcase and is a terrible fundamental player who will choke every time.

 

Can you tell I don't like Cedeno........whatsoever????

[Outshined_One]

99% of analysts clutter a broadcast with platitudes and flat out wrong opinions. Santo can add "feel" to the game by putting an emotional response to what you don't see, and for that he's better than the vast majority of analysts.

 

That and you get constant updates on how his dog can't get along with him.

[David]

My apologies, I wasn't aware that improving the team was "nitpicking". I personally like the idea of improving the team as much as possible and the next time Cedeno comes up late in the game in a crucial part of the game and shows no plate discipline and swings at garbage over his head and strikes out, you let me know if you still think that i'm "nitpicking".

 

Now, HERE'S some nit picking for ya ..........

 

Cedeno               P   PA  P/PA  BDI  LOB   RBI%
6th inning          82   19  4.32    2    5  0.286
7th inning         104   25  4.16    1   13  0.071
8th inning          79   20  3.95    8    9  0.471
9th inning          36    9  4.00    0    5  0.000

6th thru 9th       301   73  4.12   11   32  0.256
All innings        569  145  3.92   19   75  0.202

 

Factionista! Fact Nazi! Harbinger of Facts!

 

That's the beautiful thing about stats: You can pretty much use any variation to support your opinion. Just ask Rich Hill fans.

 

The stat I look at when judging how sucktacular Cedeno is as a PH is his robust .083 BA this year as a PH. Yeah, he only has 20 ab's as a PH so what does that tell you? It tells me that Lou has very little confidence in him as a PH. Not a good sign with your first choice for a RH PH. Cedeno is just sucking up a roster spot and he is thankfully not long on this roster as Hendry is more than aware of this weakness.

 

Maybe I did overreact slightly about saying that this is the most "glaring" hole on this team ( which is actually a good thing when a single bench player is your most glaring hole- means you're a good team) but it definitely is something that has to be and will be addressed. Like I said previously, those of you who don't think that improving this need is not a big deal, the next time Cedeno is up as a PH late in a game and he swings at junk over his head and chokes yet again, I will bump this thread.

 

I not only want someone who is a good PH in his roster spot, but a veteran who's been through pressure situations late in games. That's another thing I dislike about Cedeno, he's a headcase and is a terrible fundamental player who will choke every time.

 

Can you tell I don't like Cedeno........whatsoever????

 

 

Go ahead and bump it as this team is on it's way to 95+ wins.

[sharkfan50]

They'll need someone who can play a backup SS role if they lose Cedeno. Fontenot isn't a SS, and DeRosa has played all of one game there with the Cubs. Gomez has played 13 games at SS this season. He has 3 errors (insert standard caveat that errors do not equate to defensive ability or lack thereof) and is 37 years old. I'm not sure he's the right replacement at first glance.

 

Who cares that he's 37 years old? I'm not suggesting they sign him to a long term contract. Bottomline is he's hitting .311 with a .341 OBP and is hitting .316 with an OBP of .350 as a PH. That is not only consistent numbers but ten times the prodoction you'll get out of Cedeno as your primary RH hitter off the bench. There's no comparison really and more importantly he's a veteran.

 

I also could care less that he has 3 errors in 18 games at SS.....again, I'm not asking him to be a late inning defensive replacement either. Sh*t, Cedeno right now isn't even a defensive replacement. He is just sucking up a roster spot and needs to go and will be gone.

[sharkfan50]

My apologies, I wasn't aware that improving the team was "nitpicking". I personally like the idea of improving the team as much as possible and the next time Cedeno comes up late in the game in a crucial part of the game and shows no plate discipline and swings at garbage over his head and strikes out, you let me know if you still think that i'm "nitpicking".

 

Now, HERE'S some nit picking for ya ..........

 

Cedeno               P   PA  P/PA  BDI  LOB   RBI%
6th inning          82   19  4.32    2    5  0.286
7th inning         104   25  4.16    1   13  0.071
8th inning          79   20  3.95    8    9  0.471
9th inning          36    9  4.00    0    5  0.000

6th thru 9th       301   73  4.12   11   32  0.256
All innings        569  145  3.92   19   75  0.202

 

Factionista! Fact Nazi! Harbinger of Facts!

 

That's the beautiful thing about stats: You can pretty much use any variation to support your opinion. Just ask Rich Hill fans.

 

The stat I look at when judging how sucktacular Cedeno is as a PH is his robust .083 BA this year as a PH. Yeah, he only has 20 ab's as a PH so what does that tell you? It tells me that Lou has very little confidence in him as a PH. Not a good sign with your first choice for a RH PH. Cedeno is just sucking up a roster spot and he is thankfully not long on this roster as Hendry is more than aware of this weakness.

 

Maybe I did overreact slightly about saying that this is the most "glaring" hole on this team ( which is actually a good thing when a single bench player is your most glaring hole- means you're a good team) but it definitely is something that has to be and will be addressed. Like I said previously, those of you who don't think that improving this need is not a big deal, the next time Cedeno is up as a PH late in a game and he swings at junk over his head and chokes yet again, I will bump this thread.

 

I not only want someone who is a good PH in his roster spot, but a veteran who's been through pressure situations late in games. That's another thing I dislike about Cedeno, he's a headcase and is a terrible fundamental player who will choke every time.

 

Can you tell I don't like Cedeno........whatsoever????

 

 

Go ahead and bump it as this team is on it's way to 95+ wins.

 

Don't be a jackass. There is nothing wrong with strengthening your team, no matter how small of an upgrade you might think it is. If you think Hendry is sitting back and content with this team, you're very much mistaken.

[David]

They'll need someone who can play a backup SS role if they lose Cedeno. Fontenot isn't a SS, and DeRosa has played all of one game there with the Cubs. Gomez has played 13 games at SS this season. He has 3 errors (insert standard caveat that errors do not equate to defensive ability or lack thereof) and is 37 years old. I'm not sure he's the right replacement at first glance.

 

Who cares that he's 37 years old? I'm not suggesting they sign him to a long term contract. Bottomline is he's hitting .311 with a .341 OBP and is hitting .316 with an OBP of .350 as a PH. That is not only consistent numbers but ten times the prodoction you'll get out of Cedeno as your primary RH hitter off the bench. There's no comparison really and more importantly he's a veteran.

 

I also could care less that he has 3 errors in 18 games at SS.....again, I'm not asking him to be a late inning defensive replacement either. Sh*t, Cedeno right now isn't even a defensive replacement. He is just sucking up a roster spot and needs to go and will be gone.

 

This is ridiculous. There's pretty much no use in attempting to predict what either player can or will do in 15-20 pinch hit at bats. Those situational stats based on limited ABs also mean nothing.

 

But go ahead and feel free to keep ranting on this team's "need" for a RH pinch hitter.

[sharkfan50]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/07/cubs-rumors-fue.html

 

Cubs pursuing a bat for the bench, most obviously to replace Cedeno's? What a novel thought.

[sharkfan50]

They'll need someone who can play a backup SS role if they lose Cedeno. Fontenot isn't a SS, and DeRosa has played all of one game there with the Cubs. Gomez has played 13 games at SS this season. He has 3 errors (insert standard caveat that errors do not equate to defensive ability or lack thereof) and is 37 years old. I'm not sure he's the right replacement at first glance.

 

Who cares that he's 37 years old? I'm not suggesting they sign him to a long term contract. Bottomline is he's hitting .311 with a .341 OBP and is hitting .316 with an OBP of .350 as a PH. That is not only consistent numbers but ten times the prodoction you'll get out of Cedeno as your primary RH hitter off the bench. There's no comparison really and more importantly he's a veteran.

 

I also could care less that he has 3 errors in 18 games at SS.....again, I'm not asking him to be a late inning defensive replacement either. Sh*t, Cedeno right now isn't even a defensive replacement. He is just sucking up a roster spot and needs to go and will be gone.

 

This is ridiculous. There's pretty much no use in attempting to predict what either player can or will do in 15-20 pinch hit at bats. Those situational stats based on limited ABs also mean nothing.

 

But go ahead and feel free to keep ranting on this team's "need" for a RH pinch hitter.

 

Thank you , I will.