Re: College Basketball 2008-2009

[fromthestretch]

Hummel has a small fracture in his back. Up in the air from game to game whether he'll play.

 

Veterans Committee.

 

Well, at least Purdue only loses Calasan and Green after this season.

 

Scott Martin would be a big help right about now.

 

Yes he would. I was never happy about his decision to leave. Even with a healthy Hummel (that sounds dirty to me for some reason), Martin would have added much needed depth to this team.

[rchap24]

Hummel has a small fracture in his back. Up in the air from game to game whether he'll play.

 

Veterans Committee.

 

Well, at least Purdue only loses Calasan and Green after this season.

 

Scott Martin would be a big help right about now.

 

Yes he would. I was never happy about his decision to leave. Even with a healthy Hummel (that sounds dirty to me for some reason), Martin would have added much needed depth to this team.

 

I personally thought Martin would have become a better player than Hummel....Same size and basically the same at everything except that is left handed and mama's boy

[hawkeyecub]

 

I used to think Chris Kramer was the most annoying person in the Big Ten. Now I can't decide if it's him or his mom. Either way, I wish she would stay and watch the next game in her trailer so I don't have to see her screaming like a lunatic every game.

 

I keep telling you people, it's Daniel Moore.

 

I don't know that I'm willing to concede that. They both have annoying styles of play but Moore definitely gets the edge there.

 

Announcers love to praise Moore for his little white guy scrappiness (still waiting for Lavin to do an IU game so we can hear him called a pepperpot 83 times) but Kramer gets all of the tough guy, leads the league in floor burn, scrappiness love.

 

Kramer fouls on every possession, yet has never once been called for a foul without whining. Yet on offense he is a total flopper. If he played a game against himself, every possession would end with offensive Kramer falling down with theatrics and defensive Kramer whining about the call.

On top of that we're forced to see his mom at least 15 times every game, often screaming like a lunatic. And you know she's going after the refs for not calling fouls committed against her baby.

 

So you do you hate Curry's mom too?

 

She is at least respectable looking and doesn't scream at the refs like a nutjob.

[SouthSideRyan]

Chris Kramer's mom seems like the type of mom that would save her kid from getting beat up and then started challenging the bully to a fight and be dead serious about it.

[hawkeyecub]

Announcers love to praise Moore for his little white guy scrappiness (still waiting for Lavin to do an IU game so we can hear him called a pepperpot 83 times) but Kramer gets all of the tough guy, leads the league in floor burn, scrappiness love.

Kramer gets a little too much attention from the announcers.

 

Kramer fouls on every possession

That's a load of crap. It's understandable that fans of other teams can't stand the guy. It's another thing to let your hatred blind you to the fact that he's a very good defensive player.

 

yet has never once been called for a foul without whining. Yet on offense he is a total flopper.

I can't really argue this. He does whine a lot, and he does flop on offense. Pretty much every one of his layups ends up with him on the ground.

 

Well the fouling on every possession was hyperbole. Obviously he doesn't and he is a great defender. But he does play extremely physical defense and could probably get called for a foul more often than he does.

 

I liked him as a freshman because of his defense and he seemed to play smart for his age and skill level. I just hate floppers and I especially can't stand floppers who think they never commit a foul on defense. See Ginobli.

[bcl412]

Our program is garbage right now.

[SouthSideRyan]

STORM THE COURT!!

[illiniguy]

STORM THE COURT!!

Wow. Yeah I don't think Iowa is going to be the elite of the conference anytime soon.

[Sosa21MVP]

lol iowa

[hawkeyecub]

What a disgraceful loss.

 

They didn't even play hard for the first 35 minutes.

[bcl412]

STORM THE COURT!!

Wow. Yeah I don't think Iowa is going to be the elite of the conference anytime soon.

 

I'm honestly fearing a PSU or NW run of futility right now. We suck.

[hawkeyecub]

I'm really losing faith in Lickliter and his blind stubbornness.

[bcl412]

I'm really losing faith in Lickliter and his blind stubbornness.

 

I wish we would play zone just once. When Indiana is beating you off the dribble you don't have the talent to play man to man.

[illiniguy]

STORM THE COURT!!

Wow. Yeah I don't think Iowa is going to be the elite of the conference anytime soon.

 

I'm honestly fearing a PSU or NW run of futility right now. We suck.

Cheat to get Barnes. This is your best bet.

[hawkeyecub]

STORM THE COURT!!

Wow. Yeah I don't think Iowa is going to be the elite of the conference anytime soon.

 

I'm honestly fearing a PSU or NW run of futility right now. We suck.

Cheat to get Barnes. This is your best bet.

 

I've been advocating it for months. His girlfriend is already going to Iowa to play basketball. Pay his mom $300,000 to be secretary. Make his dad head of basketball ops. Maybe even pay the girl to get knocked up.

 

I'm only partly kidding.

[illiniguy]

STORM THE COURT!!

Wow. Yeah I don't think Iowa is going to be the elite of the conference anytime soon.

 

I'm honestly fearing a PSU or NW run of futility right now. We suck.

Cheat to get Barnes. This is your best bet.

 

I've been advocating it for months. His girlfriend is already going to Iowa to play basketball. Pay his mom $300,000 to be secretary. Make his dad head of basketball ops. Maybe even pay the girl to get knocked up.

 

I'm only partly kidding.

Why not? If you get caught fire Licklighter and tell the NCAA, like IU, you punished yourself enough.

[bcl412]

STORM THE COURT!!

Wow. Yeah I don't think Iowa is going to be the elite of the conference anytime soon.

 

I'm honestly fearing a PSU or NW run of futility right now. We suck.

Cheat to get Barnes. This is your best bet.

 

I've been advocating it for months. His girlfriend is already going to Iowa to play basketball. Pay his mom $300,000 to be secretary. Make his dad head of basketball ops. Maybe even pay the girl to get knocked up.

I'm only partly kidding.

 

:-k We should consider this.

[Andy]

The NIT might be optimistic for Notre Dame. That would require finishing above .500 and we're going to be 12-11 after UCLA and Louisville, with still one more auto-loss left at UConn.

 

Harangody had 28 and 14 but he's putting up miserable shooting percentages. Presumably because he knows damn well that a bad shot from him is better than giving any of the other four idiots on the court the basketball.

 

I've never been so annoyed with a team before. There is no excuse for the crap that Notre Dame hoops pulled this year. None.

Edited February 5, 2009 by Andy

[Sosa21MVP]

I'm really losing faith in Lickliter and his blind stubbornness.

 

So what exactly is his deal? I noticed on the Iowa boards that he is getting killed right now. I thought he would be a better fit there.

[bcl412]

I'm really losing faith in Lickliter and his blind stubbornness.

 

So what exactly is his deal? I noticed on the Iowa boards that he is getting killed right now. I thought he would be a better fit there.

 

A lot of people are really skeptical about his system and his seemingly unwillingness to adjust it. The team also looks like they are getting worse as the season is progressing, people could take losing if the team looked like they were getting better. On top of that our recruits are terrible when compared with the rest of the conference. There isn't that much hope for the future really. The team also doesn't score consistently which turns away casual fans.

 

Add to that where the team was 10-15 years ago, a team who consistently made the tournament and had sellouts pretty consistently (and the coach was forced to resign), to what you see today you have a lot of upset fans. There is still a lot of anger about Alford in the program and until the team gets to where they were under Tom Davis I think the anger is is going to spread and be directed at whoever is coaching the team.

 

In reality, until Iowa gets a true practice facility that may actually attract decent recruits I think they are going to have to try to win with gimmicky basketball and the Todd Lickliters of the world.

[dew1679666265]

What an ending to the Tennessee/Arkansas game! The Vols were up 2 with about 38 seconds to go, Arkansas hit a layup to tie it with 11 seconds left and then Bobby Maze took a very questionable shot that rolled in and the Razorbacks missed two shots in the paint to end it.

 

Big win for Tennessee as it, coupled with the blowout of Florida, should be a good confidence booster.

[hawkeyecub]

I'm really losing faith in Lickliter and his blind stubbornness.

 

So what exactly is his deal? I noticed on the Iowa boards that he is getting killed right now. I thought he would be a better fit there.

 

Last year was the honeymoon year and everyone understood that. This year expectations were a little higher but tempered. They looked pretty good against decent teams in the non-conference and went 10-4. They seemed to be improving and the expectation was that the team would get better even if the wins didn't come in big numbers.

 

Many just think his system is boring and will go crazy after any loss. Many are scared by our recruiting. I think everyone thinks he's a hell of a guy who is clean and is trying to win the right way.

 

But people like me who were in his corner are getting frustrated by the fact that at times we've looked just awful in the Big Ten and seem to be regressing. Some of his personnel usage is confusing and he's shown to be blindly stubborn by refusing to play any zone when we're getting killed off the dribble or adjusting the offense to the personnel.

 

In fairness to him Tucker who was our leading scorer and supposed to be a great student got lazy and has missed almost all of the Big Ten season. Cyrus Tate who was our best post player and rebounder has missed 8 Big Ten games. With both of them we probably win 3 more Big Ten games already. One of them and we likely win at least 1-2 of them.

His stubbornness could prove to be an asset in the future when this team fully grasps what they need to do.

[hawkeyecub]

Add to that where the team was 10-15 years ago, a team who consistently made the tournament and had sellouts pretty consistently (and the coach was forced to resign), to what you see today you have a lot of upset fans. There is still a lot of anger about Alford in the program and until the team gets to where they were under Tom Davis I think the anger is is going to spread and be directed at whoever is coaching the team.

 

In reality, until Iowa gets a true practice facility that may actually attract decent recruits I think they are going to have to try to win with gimmicky basketball and the Todd Lickliters of the world.

 

In the '80's we were a top 20 program with a Final Four, Elite 8 (which we lost despite a 20 point halftime lead) and were ranked #1 in three different seasons. In the '90's we were a team that was consistently in the upper half of the Big Ten, in the NCAA's 2/3 years and won our first game every time.

 

Then we hired the hot name guy as new coach. He signed a top 5 recruiting class his first year AND brought in Luke Recker. In '01 we were 17-4 and sitting 1st in the Big Ten in late January until Recker went down for the year. The next year we were preseason top 10 and failed to make the NCAA's. When we finally had a big year in '06 and got a 3 seed in the tournament we got bounced on a buzzer beater. Alford killed much of the fan base.

 

We've made the NCAA's 3 times since 2000 and have won one game. We thought we hired the guy who would bring fans back and could win without having 5-star recruits. He still may be but some of the optimism is gone.

 

That tells you what's going on. This sucks.

[bcl412]

Add to that where the team was 10-15 years ago, a team who consistently made the tournament and had sellouts pretty consistently (and the coach was forced to resign), to what you see today you have a lot of upset fans. There is still a lot of anger about Alford in the program and until the team gets to where they were under Tom Davis I think the anger is is going to spread and be directed at whoever is coaching the team.

 

In reality, until Iowa gets a true practice facility that may actually attract decent recruits I think they are going to have to try to win with gimmicky basketball and the Todd Lickliters of the world.

 

In the '80's we were a top 20 program with a Final Four, Elite 8 (which we lost despite a 20 point halftime lead) and were ranked #1 in three different seasons. In the '90's we were a team that was consistently in the upper half of the Big Ten, in the NCAA's 2/3 years and won our first game every time.

 

Then we hired the hot name guy as new coach. He signed a top 5 recruiting class his first year AND brought in Luke Recker. In '01 we were 17-4 and sitting 1st in the Big Ten in late January until Recker went down for the year. The next year we were preseason top 10 and failed to make the NCAA's. When we finally had a big year in '06 and got a 3 seed in the tournament we got bounced on a buzzer beater. Alford killed much of the fan base.

 

We've made the NCAA's 3 times since 2000 and have won one game. We thought we hired the guy who would bring fans back and could win without having 5-star recruits. He still may be but some of the optimism is gone.

 

That tells you what's going on. This sucks.

 

I hate Luke Recker's knee.

[CubInOK]

Yay OU is losing to Texas A&M at home.