Re: College Basketball 2008-2009

[bukie]

Pomeroy has his team pages updated now with pretty much all the information you need on one page. It's a great time waster.

 

His "major contributors, significant contributors, role players, limited roles" categories are going to either need a larger sample to be accurate or some fine-tuning.

 

 

Yeah, I was hoping there'd be an explanation on the main page explaining those, but there was none. He doesn't really measure individual defense, so those rankings seem to be offensive based only with in the very least a large slant towards scoring. The titles are more just fun to see so you can make fun of Chris Kramer being ranked "nearly invisible"

Here's the explanations.

[UMFan83]

Yay Michigan is ranked!

 

I have a bad feeling they won't be ranked next Monday....

 

@ Illinois

v. Ohio State

 

That's a tough week

[bukie]

Yay Michigan is ranked!

 

I have a bad feeling they won't be ranked next Monday....

 

@ Illinois

v. Ohio State

 

That's a tough week

I'm not sure there's such a thing as an easy week in the Big Ten...well, except for Illinois last week (v. Indiana + bye). Illinois this week:

 

v. Michigan

@ Michigan State

 

Fortunately, by the first week of February, they'll have already played their road games at Purdue, Michigan, MSU, Wisconsin and Minnesota. Schedule breaks extra rough this year, as their two missing games are @Iowa and vs. Northwestern.

[Derwood]

4 of PSU's next 6 games are against schools from Michigan:

 

vs. MSU

@ IU

vs. UM

vs. IWA

@ MSU

@ UM

[SouthSideRyan]

Pomeroy has his team pages updated now with pretty much all the information you need on one page. It's a great time waster.

 

His "major contributors, significant contributors, role players, limited roles" categories are going to either need a larger sample to be accurate or some fine-tuning.

 

 

Yeah, I was hoping there'd be an explanation on the main page explaining those, but there was none. He doesn't really measure individual defense, so those rankings seem to be offensive based only with in the very least a large slant towards scoring. The titles are more just fun to see so you can make fun of Chris Kramer being ranked "nearly invisible"

Here's the explanations.

 

Well yeah, I know those, it's that he doesn't explain his basis for defining significant contributor/role player/invisible/etc.

[Guest]

http://kenpom.com/team.php?y=2009&team=UCLA

 

I love it. J'Mison Morgan is the go-to guy on the Bruins (despite being at the back of the bench). :)

[TruffleShuffle]

http://kenpom.com/team.php?y=2009&team=UCLA

 

I love it. J'Mison Morgan is the go-to guy on the Bruins (despite being at the back of the bench). :)

 

the spelling of his first name makes me want to kill his parents.

[bukie]

Here's the explanations.

 

Well yeah, I know those, it's that he doesn't explain his basis for defining significant contributor/role player/invisible/etc.

 

Players are now categorized by their involvement in the offense (%Poss) and within each section are ordered by minutes played. These categories have nothing to do with a player’s effectiveness. That is for you to decide using the listed stats.

 

Players in bold are the top five players by minutes played.

 

Looks that a %Poss of 24% and higher is a Major Contributor, a 20%+ is Significant, a 16%+ is a role player, a 12%+ is a Limited Role, and anything below 12% is nearly invisible.

[Derwood]

Pomeroy still hates PSU and only has them winning 5 more games, finishing 18-13 (they're currently 13-4).

[TruffleShuffle]

holy cross has two freshmen who are major contributors, a senior who doesn't play as a significant contributor, and then 58 role players.

 

i see a lot of red on our results page, which i think means that we suck.

[bukie]

Here's the explanations.

 

Well yeah, I know those, it's that he doesn't explain his basis for defining significant contributor/role player/invisible/etc.

 

Players are now categorized by their involvement in the offense (%Poss) and within each section are ordered by minutes played. These categories have nothing to do with a player’s effectiveness. That is for you to decide using the listed stats.

 

Players in bold are the top five players by minutes played.

 

Looks that a %Poss of 24% and higher is a Major Contributor, a 20%+ is Significant, a 16%+ is a role player, a 12%+ is a Limited Role, and anything below 12% is nearly invisible.

I missed a category. A %Poss of 28% or higher is a "Go-to guy". I'm not sure if there is another tier, but Psycho-T is a go-to guy. It's mostly defined as how often offensive possessions end in their hands for better or worse. A team that distributes the ball completely evenly is going to have a lot of role players.

 

EDIT: Nope, Go-to guy is the highest "level" of contributor, as Stephen Curry leads the nation in %Poss and is listed as such.

[TruffleShuffle]

Pomeroy still hates PSU and only has them winning 5 more games, finishing 18-13 (they're currently 13-4).

 

i think psu wins either 7 or 8 games the rest of the way, ending up 21-10 or 20-11 going into the big ten tourney. their OOC schedule was such a joke that i think they need to end up a couple of games better and then win at least one game in the big ten tourney.

[rchap24]

Pomeroy still hates PSU and only has them winning 5 more games, finishing 18-13 (they're currently 13-4).

 

i think psu wins either 7 or 8 games the rest of the way, ending up 21-10 or 20-11 going into the big ten tourney. their OOC schedule was such a joke that i think they need to end up a couple of games better and then win at least one game in the big ten tourney.

 

I could agree with that and if they play well in the big ten tourney they probably will make it into the tourney

[bukie]

Pomeroy still hates PSU and only has them winning 5 more games, finishing 18-13 (they're currently 13-4).

 

i think psu wins either 7 or 8 games the rest of the way, ending up 21-10 or 20-11 going into the big ten tourney. their OOC schedule was such a joke that i think they need to end up a couple of games better and then win at least one game in the big ten tourney.

 

I could agree with that and if they play well in the big ten tourney they probably will make it into the tourney

Yeah, if they win the Big Ten tourney, they have a decent shot of making it into the tourney.

[rchap24]

Pomeroy still hates PSU and only has them winning 5 more games, finishing 18-13 (they're currently 13-4).

 

i think psu wins either 7 or 8 games the rest of the way, ending up 21-10 or 20-11 going into the big ten tourney. their OOC schedule was such a joke that i think they need to end up a couple of games better and then win at least one game in the big ten tourney.

 

I could agree with that and if they play well in the big ten tourney they probably will make it into the tourney

Yeah, if they win the Big Ten tourney, they have a decent shot of making it into the tourney.

 

No I'm just saying winning there first game. If they finish 22-10 that would probably give them a good shot to get into the tourney

[Derwood]

Pomeroy still hates PSU and only has them winning 5 more games, finishing 18-13 (they're currently 13-4).

 

i think psu wins either 7 or 8 games the rest of the way, ending up 21-10 or 20-11 going into the big ten tourney. their OOC schedule was such a joke that i think they need to end up a couple of games better and then win at least one game in the big ten tourney.

 

thing is, his projected W's and L's are hard to argue with. He has PSU beating IU twice (duh), then Minnesota, Iowa and Michigan at home. If you want to squeeze out 2 or 3 wins, you're talking about a win @ Iowa (totally doable), then maybe Wisconsin at home or @ OSU.

[TruffleShuffle]

Pomeroy still hates PSU and only has them winning 5 more games, finishing 18-13 (they're currently 13-4).

 

i think psu wins either 7 or 8 games the rest of the way, ending up 21-10 or 20-11 going into the big ten tourney. their OOC schedule was such a joke that i think they need to end up a couple of games better and then win at least one game in the big ten tourney.

 

thing is, his projected W's and L's are hard to argue with. He has PSU beating IU twice (duh), then Minnesota, Iowa and Michigan at home. If you want to squeeze out 2 or 3 wins, you're talking about a win @ Iowa (totally doable), then maybe Wisconsin at home or @ OSU.

 

i don't think illinois is as good as they're rated right now; i actually think that penn state should beat illinois here. i don't think any of the home games (including wisconsin and michigan st) are out of reach. the only road games that are basically auto-losses are @purdue and @michigan st. @illinois is probably a loss but for some reason we seem to do okay there. i don't think there are any road games, aside from indiana, that penn state should necessarily be expected to win.

[UMFan83]

Yay Michigan is ranked!

 

I have a bad feeling they won't be ranked next Monday....

 

@ Illinois

v. Ohio State

 

That's a tough week

I'm not sure there's such a thing as an easy week in the Big Ten...well, except for Illinois last week (v. Indiana + bye). Illinois this week:

 

v. Michigan

@ Michigan State

 

Fortunately, by the first week of February, they'll have already played their road games at Purdue, Michigan, MSU, Wisconsin and Minnesota. Schedule breaks extra rough this year, as their two missing games are @Iowa and vs. Northwestern.

 

The only easy weeks in the Big Ten are the ones that involve Indiana, probably Iowa and maybe Northwestern. Luckily Michigan had IU and Iowa last week. Our easy week is gone. Should be a good game between Illinois and Michigan this week. I can't see UM sweeping Illinois unless they get just on fire from beyond the arc.

[Exile on Waveland]

Yay Michigan is ranked!

 

I have a bad feeling they won't be ranked next Monday....

 

@ Illinois

v. Ohio State

 

That's a tough week

I'm not sure there's such a thing as an easy week in the Big Ten...well, except for Illinois last week (v. Indiana + bye). Illinois this week:

 

v. Michigan

@ Michigan State

 

Fortunately, by the first week of February, they'll have already played their road games at Purdue, Michigan, MSU, Wisconsin and Minnesota. Schedule breaks extra rough this year, as their two missing games are @Iowa and vs. Northwestern.

 

The only easy weeks in the Big Ten are the ones that involve Indiana, probably Iowa and maybe Northwestern. Luckily Michigan had IU and Iowa last week. Our easy week is gone. Should be a good game between Illinois and Michigan this week. I can't see UM sweeping Illinois unless they get just on fire from beyond the arc.

 

Yes, I would classify trailing 44-24 in the second half as "easy" too.

[UMFan83]

Pomeroy still hates PSU and only has them winning 5 more games, finishing 18-13 (they're currently 13-4).

 

They have Michigan finishing 19-12 :( Going to suck if we go 6-9 the rest of the year, but its not impossible

Edited January 12, 2009 by UMFan83

[SouthSideRyan]

Pomeroy still hates PSU and only has them winning 5 more games, finishing 18-13 (they're currently 13-4).

 

i think psu wins either 7 or 8 games the rest of the way, ending up 21-10 or 20-11 going into the big ten tourney. their OOC schedule was such a joke that i think they need to end up a couple of games better and then win at least one game in the big ten tourney.

 

thing is, his projected W's and L's are hard to argue with. He has PSU beating IU twice (duh), then Minnesota, Iowa and Michigan at home. If you want to squeeze out 2 or 3 wins, you're talking about a win @ Iowa (totally doable), then maybe Wisconsin at home or @ OSU.

 

i don't think illinois is as good as they're rated right now; i actually think that penn state should beat illinois here. i don't think any of the home games (including wisconsin and michigan st) are out of reach. the only road games that are basically auto-losses are @purdue and @michigan st. @illinois is probably a loss but for some reason we seem to do okay there. i don't think there are any road games, aside from indiana, that penn state should necessarily be expected to win.

 

You should be favored at Iowa

[Derwood]

Pomeroy still hates PSU and only has them winning 5 more games, finishing 18-13 (they're currently 13-4).

 

i think psu wins either 7 or 8 games the rest of the way, ending up 21-10 or 20-11 going into the big ten tourney. their OOC schedule was such a joke that i think they need to end up a couple of games better and then win at least one game in the big ten tourney.

 

thing is, his projected W's and L's are hard to argue with. He has PSU beating IU twice (duh), then Minnesota, Iowa and Michigan at home. If you want to squeeze out 2 or 3 wins, you're talking about a win @ Iowa (totally doable), then maybe Wisconsin at home or @ OSU.

 

i don't think illinois is as good as they're rated right now; i actually think that penn state should beat illinois here. i don't think any of the home games (including wisconsin and michigan st) are out of reach. the only road games that are basically auto-losses are @purdue and @michigan st. @illinois is probably a loss but for some reason we seem to do okay there. i don't think there are any road games, aside from indiana, that penn state should necessarily be expected to win.

 

You should be favored at Iowa

 

His predictions have PSU losing by 2 @Iowa and by 2 at home against Wisconsin, which basically means two coin flips. By his numbers, PSU could win both

[UMFan83]

Yay Michigan is ranked!

 

I have a bad feeling they won't be ranked next Monday....

 

@ Illinois

v. Ohio State

 

That's a tough week

I'm not sure there's such a thing as an easy week in the Big Ten...well, except for Illinois last week (v. Indiana + bye). Illinois this week:

 

v. Michigan

@ Michigan State

 

Fortunately, by the first week of February, they'll have already played their road games at Purdue, Michigan, MSU, Wisconsin and Minnesota. Schedule breaks extra rough this year, as their two missing games are @Iowa and vs. Northwestern.

 

The only easy weeks in the Big Ten are the ones that involve Indiana, probably Iowa and maybe Northwestern. Luckily Michigan had IU and Iowa last week. Our easy week is gone. Should be a good game between Illinois and Michigan this week. I can't see UM sweeping Illinois unless they get just on fire from beyond the arc.

 

Yes, I would classify trailing 44-24 in the second half as "easy" too.

 

lol, I'm not saying we didn't have an issue with Indiana, but in terms of the teams we played it was supposed to be an easy week.

[Exile on Waveland]

Yay Michigan is ranked!

 

I have a bad feeling they won't be ranked next Monday....

 

@ Illinois

v. Ohio State

 

That's a tough week

I'm not sure there's such a thing as an easy week in the Big Ten...well, except for Illinois last week (v. Indiana + bye). Illinois this week:

 

v. Michigan

@ Michigan State

 

Fortunately, by the first week of February, they'll have already played their road games at Purdue, Michigan, MSU, Wisconsin and Minnesota. Schedule breaks extra rough this year, as their two missing games are @Iowa and vs. Northwestern.

 

The only easy weeks in the Big Ten are the ones that involve Indiana, probably Iowa and maybe Northwestern. Luckily Michigan had IU and Iowa last week. Our easy week is gone. Should be a good game between Illinois and Michigan this week. I can't see UM sweeping Illinois unless they get just on fire from beyond the arc.

 

Yes, I would classify trailing 44-24 in the second half as "easy" too.

 

lol, I'm not saying we didn't have an issue with Indiana, but in terms of the teams we played it was supposed to be an easy week.

 

On that I agree.

[bukie]

Hard to say for sure on Illinois this year, as to this point they've outplayed pretty much anyone's expectations, and most of that is coming from limiting turnovers and shooting better all-around. Without Randle and Pruitt this year (and despite how large a part of the team they were last year, their weaknesses were in turnovers and poor shooting), the team's been able to shoot a ton better, move the ball around better, and really limit mistakes overall.

 

They've never trailed at the half this season, losing only by a basket to a really good Clemson team and completely losing focus offensively in the last 5 minutes of the Michigan game after tying it at 62.

 

This week they get a rematch with Michigan and another tough roadie at MSU. They need to win the home games and stay with MSU on the road to be a serious challenger to the conference title.