Re: College Basketball 2008-2009

[illiniguy]

[Well, it's obviously not the reason Purdue lost the game, but I would like some clarification on the rule (knowledge is power :wink: ). If what I indicated above holds true, it wouldn't matter if it hit Johnson's foot, since it would have been deemed out-of-bounds the moment it touched McCamey, if he was standing out-of-bounds when it hit him.

I think the reason you lost is because we scored more points than you. I also think we are a lot closer to you than you may want to admit. After splitting the last 4 games I think that should be pretty obvious to anyone watching.

 

I haven't disputed any of that. I believe you're confusing me with some other Purdue fans here. I have no problem admitting that Purdue was outplayed last night.

Sorry more of a general response than to you. Just kinda leaped on the last post I had read.

[fromthestretch]

[Well, it's obviously not the reason Purdue lost the game, but I would like some clarification on the rule (knowledge is power :wink: ). If what I indicated above holds true, it wouldn't matter if it hit Johnson's foot, since it would have been deemed out-of-bounds the moment it touched McCamey, if he was standing out-of-bounds when it hit him.

I think the reason you lost is because we scored more points than you. I also think we are a lot closer to you than you may want to admit. After splitting the last 4 games I think that should be pretty obvious to anyone watching.

 

I haven't disputed any of that. I believe you're confusing me with some other Purdue fans here. I have no problem admitting that Purdue was outplayed last night.

Sorry more of a general response than to you. Just kinda leaped on the last post I had read.

 

Got it. No worries.

[Derwood]

my interpretation was that the purdue player and illinois player's momentum was carrying them both out of bounds. the purdue player was in bounds when he jumped, but by the time he knocked it off of McCamey, Mccamey was over the line.

[CubbieBum]

my interpretation was that the purdue player and illinois player's momentum was carrying them both out of bounds. the purdue player was in bounds when he jumped, but by the time he knocked it off of McCamey, Mccamey was over the line.

 

That would make it Purdue ball.

[Derwood]

my interpretation was that the purdue player and illinois player's momentum was carrying them both out of bounds. the purdue player was in bounds when he jumped, but by the time he knocked it off of McCamey, Mccamey was over the line.

 

That would make it Purdue ball.

 

incorrect. the ball would have to go off of an inbounds illinois player and then go out in order to maintain possession. since McCamey was out of bounds, hitting him with the ball was no different than hitting the floor, the hoop, a cheerleader, etc.

[CubbieBum]

I think Illinois won last night because they took extremely good care of the ball and did a great job on Hummel defensively. Both of those occurrences had a lot to do with Chester Frazier.

 

kramer's still better.

 

And he is, but that's besides the point

 

I'd just like to point out that Chester has been playing hurt for four years. I don't think he has ever been 100% healthy for any game. He is a warrior and I am glad the fan base is finally embracing him. I really like Kramer's game also, what is the latest on his injury, Purdue is not the same without him. I also read that Hummel is banged up, anyone have news on that?

 

And so has Kramer.

 

Tell me of Kramer's high school injuries. Years are counted differently at Purdue apparently.

 

OMG dude are you really this nitpicky? You know what I mean so stop being a prick. Chester has played hurt the entire time he has been at Illinois and Kramer has been hurt the entire time he has been at Purdue. Plus a "compartmental syndrome" in shins doesn't all of sudden come about. You might want to read about it. Kramer has probably been playing with pain for a very long time.

[fromthestretch]

my interpretation was that the purdue player and illinois player's momentum was carrying them both out of bounds. the purdue player was in bounds when he jumped, but by the time he knocked it off of McCamey, Mccamey was over the line.

 

I understand your interpretation. Their momentum was carrying them out-of-bounds, but a player isn't considered out-of-bounds until he physically touches the floor there.

 

Regardless of whether McCamey was or wasn't technically out-of-bounds when the ball hit him, it's deemed a dead ball once the ball touches anything or anyone considered out-of-bounds. Let's say for example you are in-bounds and passed a ball to your teammate who happened to have half his foot out-of-bounds. The ball goes to the other team in that instance, since your teammate is standing out of bounds. Wouldn't it stand to reason that if you threw the ball off an opponent that was standing out-of-bounds your team would get the ball?

[fromthestretch]

my interpretation was that the purdue player and illinois player's momentum was carrying them both out of bounds. the purdue player was in bounds when he jumped, but by the time he knocked it off of McCamey, Mccamey was over the line.

 

That would make it Purdue ball.

 

incorrect. the ball would have to go off of an inbounds illinois player and then go out in order to maintain possession. since McCamey was out of bounds, hitting him with the ball was no different than hitting the floor, the hoop, a cheerleader, etc.

 

I could be wrong, but I don't believe that a player standing out-of-bounds is considered the same as the floor or a cheerleader.

[CubbieBum]

my interpretation was that the purdue player and illinois player's momentum was carrying them both out of bounds. the purdue player was in bounds when he jumped, but by the time he knocked it off of McCamey, Mccamey was over the line.

 

That would make it Purdue ball.

 

incorrect. the ball would have to go off of an inbounds illinois player and then go out in order to maintain possession. since McCamey was out of bounds, hitting him with the ball was no different than hitting the floor, the hoop, a cheerleader, etc.

 

I could be wrong, but I don't believe that a player standing out-of-bounds is considered the same as the floor or a cheerleader.

 

Ok here is the official rule for the NCAA rulebook:

 

Section 1. Out of Bounds—Player, Ball

Art. 1. A player shall be out of bounds when he or she touches the floor or

any object other than a player on or outside a boundary line. An airborne

player’s status shall be where he or she was last in contact with the floor.

 

Art. 2. The ball shall be out of bounds when it touches a player who is out of

bounds; any other person, the floor, or any object on or outside a boundary;

the supports or back of the backboard; or the ceiling, overhead equipment

or supports.

 

Art. 3. The ball shall be out of bounds when any part of the ball passes over

the backboard from any direction.

 

Section 2. Ball Caused to Go Out of Bounds

Art. 1. The ball shall be caused to go out of bounds by the last player to

touch or to be touched by the ball before the ball goes out, provided that

the ball is out of bounds because of touching something other than a player

who is out of bounds.

 

Art. 2. When the ball is out of bounds because of touching or being touched

by a player who is on or outside a boundary, such player shall have caused

the ball to go out of bounds.

 

The last one is the most important one here. It says, if "a player on or outside a boundary" is the last to touch "such player shall have caused the ball to go out of bounds." This means it doesn't matter if McNamey was consider out of bounds if he was the last one to touch it then it is Purdue ball. So the question becomes did the ball go back off of Johnson. The replays I saw didn't look like it did and the spin of the ball never changed after hitting McNamey. Therefore it should have been Purdue ball. Still it really doesn't matter Purdue would have likely lost anyways. The missed free throws and overall bad shooting and not this play is what the loss should be blamed on.

[Derwood]

well McCamey was definitely in the air when it hit him, what I don't remember is if either he or the Purdue player stepped out of bounds before jumping

[CubbieBum]

well McCamey was definitely in the air when it hit him, what I don't remember is if either he or the Purdue player stepped out of bounds before jumping

 

You don't remember because it never came up. The thing I'm most mad about is the lack of replaying it. They should have come back after break and showed it from a couple angles to see if Johnson stepped out first and the such.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

Let the call go, if Hummel actually showed up and Purdue actually converted at the line they would have won. If Painter didn't have Weber coach circles around him they would have won the game. There is a lot more to this than one call by the ref. Both teams played well, this is just the crazy type of stuff you need to expect in the Big Ten. I hate when people bitch about the ref's. Good teams overcome poor officiating, especially at home in the Big Ten.

[CubbieBum]

Let the call go, if Hummel actually showed up and Purdue actually converted at the line they would have won. If Painter didn't have Weber coach circles around him they would have won the game. There is a lot more to this than one call by the ref. Both teams played well, this is just the crazy type of stuff you need to expect in the Big Ten. I hate when people bitch about the ref's. Good teams overcome poor officiating, especially at home in the Big Ten.

 

Read the posts before you spout off. Everyone has said this call didn't decide the game and in reality isn't that big of a deal.

[fromthestretch]

Let the call go, if Hummel actually showed up and Purdue actually converted at the line they would have won. If Painter didn't have Weber coach circles around him they would have won the game. There is a lot more to this than one call by the ref. Both teams played well, this is just the crazy type of stuff you need to expect in the Big Ten. I hate when people bitch about the ref's. Good teams overcome poor officiating, especially at home in the Big Ten.

 

No one is blaming the refs for Purdue's loss. Most of us realize Illinois played a better game than Purdue.

[hawkeyecub]

Damn. We went empty on our last 5 possessions and lost by 3. Two turnovers then missed the front of a 1 and 1 and missed two open 3's in the last 35 seconds. Played horribly in the first 14 minutes to get down 15 but then shot the lights out and had the lead. Diebler got away from us and couldn't miss.

[illiniguy]

Damn. We went empty on our last 5 possessions and lost by 3. Two turnovers then missed the front of a 1 and 1 and missed two open 3's in the last 35 seconds. Played horribly in the first 14 minutes to get down 15 but then shot the lights out and had the lead. Diebler got away from us and couldn't miss.

Matt Gatens is a stud. You guys just need a post player. Any post player.

[Derwood]

big home opening win against Northwestern today for Penn State. Talor Battle throws up 26. If you don't have an overpowering big man, PSU can beat you with the 3-ball

[hawkeyecub]

Damn. We went empty on our last 5 possessions and lost by 3. Two turnovers then missed the front of a 1 and 1 and missed two open 3's in the last 35 seconds. Played horribly in the first 14 minutes to get down 15 but then shot the lights out and had the lead. Diebler got away from us and couldn't miss.

Matt Gatens is a stud. You guys just need a post player. Any post player.

 

And he's basically had to play the 4 all year. Today he was matched up with Mullens quite a bit. He denied the ball and when he did get it he held his own.

Tate showed last year in the Big Ten he can be effective. We haven't gotten him the ball enough this year and he hasn't been able to get in the flow offensively. Today he got in foul trouble early and was nowhere to be found.

 

But yeah we really need a post presence. Preferrably one who can rebound, defend and also draw the defense out to the high post by hitting mid-range jumpers. Basically what I've seen of Mike Davis this year. A guy like him could thrive in this offense and will be needed eventually.

[Keener98]

Illinois vs Purdue tonight. Time to see this Illinois team against some real competition. Lets go Illini!

 

Losers say what?

 

 

:lol: [-X

 

I dont know what the "losers" have to say, but the winners say SUCK IT...

[bcl412]

Damn. We went empty on our last 5 possessions and lost by 3. Two turnovers then missed the front of a 1 and 1 and missed two open 3's in the last 35 seconds. Played horribly in the first 14 minutes to get down 15 but then shot the lights out and had the lead. Diebler got away from us and couldn't miss.

 

So close :banghead:

 

Seriously though, if we get a post guy who can do anything we will win some games next year.

[CubbieBum]

Illinois vs Purdue tonight. Time to see this Illinois team against some real competition. Lets go Illini!

 

Losers say what?

 

 

:lol: [-X

 

I dont know what the "losers" have to say, but the winners say SUCK IT...

 

I was wondering if anyone would go back and through that in my face. Thats the problem with trash talk. When you lose you can't say anything.

[Magnetic Curses]

throw

[TruffleShuffle]

when your spelling is that bad, you shouldn't say anything.

[CubbieBum]

when your spelling is that bad, you shouldn't say anything.

 

Technically I didn't misspell anything. I jut used through rather than throw.

[TruffleShuffle]

when your spelling is that bad, you shouldn't say anything.

 

Technically I didn't misspell anything. I jut used through rather than throw.

 

ok well then your sentences just make no sense, i guess pick your poison.