5/17 - Pirates (Duke) @ Cubs (Zambrano) 12:05PM CSN & 720

[genbar]

Geoooooo

[Schwarber Fan]

Soto is so good... is there anyone better at baseball?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

run is unearned according to Len

 

I hate that distinction so much.

 

Baseball stats would be so much better off if we stopped arbitrarily dividing between "earned" and "unearned" and "hits" and "errors."

 

I think there's a use for those stats, though. If there's a runner at 2nd with 2 out, and the pitcher throws a routine ground ball, and the fielder airmails the throw to first and the runner scores, that isn't the pitcher's fault.

 

If he gives up a ground ball of the exact same speed and difficulty, but it happens to be placed exactly in the hole between two fielders, is it his fault? If he gives up a fly ball to shallow outfield and the outfielder gets a poor jump?

[BigSlick]

run is unearned according to Len

 

I hate that distinction so much.

 

Baseball stats would be so much better off if we stopped arbitrarily dividing between "earned" and "unearned" and "hits" and "errors."

 

I think there's a use for those stats, though. If there's a runner at 2nd with 2 out, and the pitcher throws a routine ground ball, and the fielder airmails the throw to first and the runner scores, that isn't the pitcher's fault.

Theres a use for RBI as well, but it doesn't mean it should be a mainstream and important stat

 

The fact that you brought up a marginal and rare occurrence to defend it makes me want to get rid of errors all the more

[Fred Hornkohl]

DeRosa singled to center field , Soto to third

[erik316wttn]

Single to center. Soto to 3rd.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

*chants* NoDP No DP NoDP No DP NoDP No DP NoDP No DP NoDP No DP

[BigSlick]

Get one in the air please, Johnson

[Careless]

Derosa has had a pretty good week

[erik316wttn]

run is unearned according to Len

 

I hate that distinction so much.

 

Baseball stats would be so much better off if we stopped arbitrarily dividing between "earned" and "unearned" and "hits" and "errors."

 

I think there's a use for those stats, though. If there's a runner at 2nd with 2 out, and the pitcher throws a routine ground ball, and the fielder airmails the throw to first and the runner scores, that isn't the pitcher's fault.

Theres a use for RBI as well, but it doesn't mean it should be a mainstream and important stat

 

The fact that you brought up a marginal and rare occurrence to defend it makes me want to get rid of errors all the more

 

I don't disagree that there are flaws in how earned and unearned runs are kept, but I'm not in favor of getting rid of them alltogether.

[erik316wttn]

3-0 to Reed.

[Careless]

I want to see a Z-slam

[witty alias]

Why pitch to the #8 hitter with a man on 2nd and 2 out? Walk him, get the pitcher and worry about next inning when you get there. The pitcher might knock one in once in every 25-30 ABs or so, but I would walk the #8 hitter every time.

[UMFan83]

Z does not look great today. Hopefully he settles down.

He just needs to throw strikes, this team can't really do too much damage

 

They are 4th in the league in runs scored...

And I can't figure out why. Their lineup doens't have that much punch and has a ton of holes in it

 

Their outfield leads baseball in VORP.

 

Compare their lineup by VORP:

 

8. Nate McLouth 22.5

10. Geovany Soto 19.7

19. Derrek Lee 15.8

24. Xavier Nady 14.9

30. Jason Bay 13.7

40. Aramis Ramirez 12.6

43. Kosuke Fukudome 12.5

45. Ryan Doumuit 12.2

47. Ryan Theriot 11.8

51. Mark DeRosa 10.6

[Schwarber Fan]

Z might explode if he hits a GS

[BigSlick]

Gameday shows that strike call as fairly sketchy

[erik316wttn]

Why pitch to the #8 hitter with a man on 2nd and 2 out? Walk him, get the pitcher and worry about next inning when you get there. The pitcher might knock one in once in every 25-30 ABs or so, but I would walk the #8 hitter every time.

 

In most cases, yes, but Z is one of the few pitchers who isn't an automatic out.

Edited May 17, 2008 by erik316wttn

[Careless]

Why pitch to the #8 hitter with a man on 2nd and 2 out? Walk him, get the pitcher and worry about next inning when you get there. The pitcher might knock one in once in every 25-30 ABs or so, but I would walk the #8 hitter every time.

the pitcher is carlos Zambrano. He's not a .030 hitter

 

Also, there is no man on second, and there's only one out

Edited May 17, 2008 by Careless

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Johnson batting .800 before this at-bat with runners on third, less than 2 outs.

[Careless]

Z might explode if he hits a GS

He might demand to play LF next time Soriano is injured

[erik316wttn]

Good AB by Reed here.

[erik316wttn]

Tie game!

[Fred Hornkohl]

Johnson singled to left field , Soto scored, DeRosa to second

[UMFan83]

Clutch. This platoon thing might make me like Reed Johnson again.

[haubrich91]

Great AB, Reed. Help yourself Big Z!