Why can't Theriot steal bases anymore?

[Skyballer]

I just don't get, in the bases he has stolen he was lucky and for the most part he has failed miserably at baserunning in general. Any ideas?

[TruffleShuffle]

[Vanilla Ice]

Somebody left the grits on the stove too long

[genbar]

He be trigga happy, dawg

[Jehrico]

He hasn't been good, but you have to tip your hat on that last one he was caught on in St Louis, Molina got a hell of a quick throw off.

[17 Seconds]

His minor league stolen base numbers aren't very good either. Last year was probably a fluke.

[Colin Wyers]

My first hunch is that he's running more often, and being less selective about when he runs. But how do we find out?

 

Let's go ahead and define times on base as hits+walks+HBP+IBB-HR. And we'll define stolen base attempts as SB+CS. Last season Theriot had 190 TOB, compared to 56 so far this season. He had 38 attempts last season, compared to 14 so far this season.

 

2007 Attempt %: .2

2008 Attempt %: .25

 

So he's definately running more often than last season, but I don't think that explains it all by itself. Maybe he's lost a step - speed ages quicker than a lot of other things. Maybe it's just a fluke. Maybe last season was just a fluke.

[sneakypower]

he's picking bad spots

 

exhibit A - yadi molina

[imb]

he can only do one thing at a time

[CyHawk_Cub]

he can only do one thing at a time

 

and what would that be? The one thing, I mean. :)

[gerby23]

he can only do one thing at a time

 

and what would that be? The one thing, I mean. :)

 

Well, right now at least, that would be posting a .331/.406/.425.

[Banedon]

My guess is that last year Lou was telling him specifically when to run. This year, because he was successful last year, Lou is probably letting him decide on his own when to run, and it's not working as well (obviously).

[Ding Dong Johnson]

his success this year has gone to his head a little. I've noticed he struts on the bases now

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

his success this year has gone to his head a little. I've noticed he struts on the bases now

 

and wears a feather boa too.

[Abe Frohman]

He had a pretty key steal in the win against the Reds.

[BigbadB]

he can only do one thing at a time

 

and what would that be? The one thing, I mean. :)

 

Well, right now at least, that would be posting a .331/.406/.425.

 

Which proves the one flaw to the ever important stat that OBP is. If you get caught stealing, you might as well have never been on base in the first place. Therefore, to accurately calculate OBP, caught stealing and caught attempting to take an extra base that you shouldn't have tried to take in the first place should be deducted from OBP. :wink:

[Abe Frohman]

If you hit a HR, are you really "on base?"

[Tracer Bullet]

If you hit a HR, are you really "on base?"

 

please be sarcasm

[Jon]

If you hit a HR, are you really "on base?"

You don't make an out, which is really what OBP tells you.

 

 

If you get caught stealing, that out negates the lack of out in the player's PA. There can still be some value if you move a runner along on your hit/walk before being caught stealing, but that's more reflected in the player's SLG% than OBP.

 

I just want to know why Piniella hasn't tried to limit Theriot's base stealing attempts.

[BigbadB]

Theriot has been caught stealing 6 times? That's 6 times he wasn't on base for Lee or Ramirez to drive him in. Granted, he could potentially get doubled up more often on a ground ball if he isn't in motion on the basepaths, but that's more on Lee or Ramirez to avoid hitting balls on the ground.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

If you hit a HR, are you really "on base?"

you have to touch them all

[Post Count Padder]

His GRIT is so overwhelming it makes him too GRITty to steal a base and he just gets thrown out.

[Abe Frohman]

If you hit a HR, are you really "on base?"

you have to touch them all

 

Yes, heavy sarcasm.

[gerby23]

he can only do one thing at a time

 

and what would that be? The one thing, I mean. :)

 

Well, right now at least, that would be posting a .331/.406/.425.

 

Which proves the one flaw to the ever important stat that OBP is. If you get caught stealing, you might as well have never been on base in the first place. Therefore, to accurately calculate OBP, caught stealing and caught attempting to take an extra base that you shouldn't have tried to take in the first place should be deducted from OBP. :wink:

 

Hmm. I like it.

[TruffleShuffle]

His GRIT is so overwhelming it makes him too GRITty to steal a base and he just gets thrown out.

 

i already did that one