Lou Pinella, What the hell are you doing?

[SouthSideRyan]

What's Piniella's career winning percentage? It isn't bad, but I don't think it shows he unquestionably knows what he is doing either.

 

1,627-1,512. That's a .518 winning percentage.

 

If you remove the Tampa Bay years, which were some of the worst teams ever assembled, his winning percentage goes to .538.

 

Why would we remove those? Can we remove his best three seasons also?

 

Either way, that's good but it isn't earth-shattering.

 

I think the reason he's eliminating the Tampa years is because they simply didn't have the talent to win and there was nothing Lou could do about it. The powers that be in Tampa wouldn't spend the money and he had crap teams - therefore making it a little unfair to blame him for poor seasons.

 

I don't care who the manager is, if he has abysmal talent, he won't have a good record.

 

I don't care who the manager is, if he has great talent, he'll have a good record.

[dew1679666265]

What's Piniella's career winning percentage? It isn't bad, but I don't think it shows he unquestionably knows what he is doing either.

 

1,627-1,512. That's a .518 winning percentage.

 

If you remove the Tampa Bay years, which were some of the worst teams ever assembled, his winning percentage goes to .538.

 

Why would we remove those? Can we remove his best three seasons also?

 

Either way, that's good but it isn't earth-shattering.

 

I think the reason he's eliminating the Tampa years is because they simply didn't have the talent to win and there was nothing Lou could do about it. The powers that be in Tampa wouldn't spend the money and he had crap teams - therefore making it a little unfair to blame him for poor seasons.

 

I don't care who the manager is, if he has abysmal talent, he won't have a good record.

 

I don't care who the manager is, if he has great talent, he'll have a good record.

 

I'm not arguing this point at all, just explaining the logic behind cutting Lou (or any manager for that matter) some slack for having a poor record in Tampa.

 

Though, Dusty did an awful good job in '04 of arguing your point. :wink:

[TruffleShuffle]

dusty's career record is 1182-1064 (.526), just in case anyone was thinking about using a manager's career record to argue that he's a good manager.

[dew1679666265]

dusty's career record is 1182-1064 (.526), just in case anyone was thinking about using a manager's career record to argue that he's a good manager.

 

This is a good point, but Lou has one thing Dusty will never have - a good philosophy. An emphasis on patience has turned this offense into what it is today - despite his oftentimes mind-boggling ingame moves.

[Soul]

dusty's career record is 1182-1064 (.526), just in case anyone was thinking about using a manager's career record to argue that he's a good manager.

 

This is a good point, but Lou has one thing Dusty will never have - a good philosophy. An emphasis on patience has turned this offense into what it is today - despite his oftentimes mind-boggling ingame moves.

 

I have yet to find a manager who didn't make a few mind-boggling in game moves. And I agree, Lou's overall baseball philosophy is superior to Dusty's.

[dew1679666265]

dusty's career record is 1182-1064 (.526), just in case anyone was thinking about using a manager's career record to argue that he's a good manager.

 

This is a good point, but Lou has one thing Dusty will never have - a good philosophy. An emphasis on patience has turned this offense into what it is today - despite his oftentimes mind-boggling ingame moves.

 

I have yet to find a manager who didn't make a few mind-boggling in game moves. And I agree, Lou's overall baseball philosophy is superior to Dusty's.

 

If I got pissed off at every manager who befuddled me with in-game decisions, I'd never be satisfied. I won't just sit back and not question Lou's moves, but I also won't call for the firing of a manager who has a strong overall baseball philosophy - especially since whoever the new guy was would likely do things just as befuddling from game to game.

[Brett]

But there must be a manager or two out there with a good philosophy who don't make those unbelieveably questionable in-game decisions with the same frequency that Lou and Dusty do.

[dew1679666265]

But there must be a manager or two out there with a good philosophy who don't make those unbelieveably questionable in-game decisions with the same frequency that Lou and Dusty do.

 

Bobby Cox is the closest I've seen to a near mistake-free managerial style in-game. Excellent in-game managers don't come along all that often and the ones who are around (like Cox and perhaps a Tony LaRussa) are not leaving their current team anytime soon.

[CuseCubFan69]

Dusty would have had Edmonds starting everyday over the past weekend. Lou did not do that. Dudes a vet, he can hit the leftys but Lou didn't give into that and stuck to his platoon.

[SouthSideRyan]

Dusty would have had Edmonds starting everyday over the past weekend. Lou did not do that. Dudes a vet, he can hit the leftys but Lou didn't give into that and stuck to his platoon.

 

That wasn't his reasoning for Jacque. It was that he'd never had him on his team before so he had to give him the chance against lefties to see how he'd do. It was so maddening that he wouldn't even believe a stat so simple and factual as Jacque Jones being horrendous against lefties. He had to watch him flail personally.(And even then didn't bench him much.

[CuseCubFan69]

Dusty would have had Edmonds starting everyday over the past weekend. Lou did not do that. Dudes a vet, he can hit the leftys but Lou didn't give into that and stuck to his platoon.

 

That wasn't his reasoning for Jacque. It was that he'd never had him on his team before so he had to give him the chance against lefties to see how he'd do. It was so maddening that he wouldn't even believe a stat so simple and factual as Jacque Jones being horrendous against lefties. He had to watch him flail personally.(And even then didn't bench him much.

 

But if you gave Dusty Edmonds he'd be in there. Plus, who else could play RF last year that hit right handed?

[SouthSideRyan]

Dusty would have had Edmonds starting everyday over the past weekend. Lou did not do that. Dudes a vet, he can hit the leftys but Lou didn't give into that and stuck to his platoon.

 

That wasn't his reasoning for Jacque. It was that he'd never had him on his team before so he had to give him the chance against lefties to see how he'd do. It was so maddening that he wouldn't even believe a stat so simple and factual as Jacque Jones being horrendous against lefties. He had to watch him flail personally.(And even then didn't bench him much.

 

But if you gave Dusty Edmonds he'd be in there. Plus, who else could play RF last year that hit right handed?

 

Dusty said that in '06 when asked about platooning Jacque. I've done my best to wipe '06 from my memory, so I don't really remember who could've platooned out there with him, but I'm guessing something coulda been done.

[RegulusBlue]

/yelling at the top of my lungs

 

MATT MURTON.

[Tyrant]

/yelling at the top of my lungs

 

MATT MURTON.

 

Matt Murton "played" right field.

[Sammy Sofa]

/yelling at the top of my lungs

 

MATT MURTON.

 

Apparently misplaced his power.

[Tracer Bullet]

/yelling at the top of my lungs

 

MATT MURTON.

 

Apparently misplaced his power.

 

Yeah. Good thing we finally got ourselves that power hitting RF we've been missing the last few years.

[SouthSideRyan]

/yelling at the top of my lungs

 

MATT MURTON.

 

Matt Murton "played" right field.

 

Murton started in LF in '06. In '07 Jacque was in CF.

[Sammy Sofa]

/yelling at the top of my lungs

 

MATT MURTON.

 

Apparently misplaced his power.

 

Yeah. Good thing we finally got ourselves that power hitting RF we've been missing the last few years.

 

Look, nowhere did I say Fukudome is a better power player, but if you're stacking up Murton this season and Fukudome this season, I'm glad they have Fuku.

 

I've always liked Murton as a player, but his almost complete absence of power both in his limited MLB time and in the minors this season is rather disconcerting.

[C.C.]

/yelling at the top of my lungs

 

MATT MURTON.

 

Apparently misplaced his power.

 

Yeah. Good thing we finally got ourselves that power hitting RF we've been missing the last few years.

 

Some people are never happy...

[AlwaysaCub]

dusty's career record is 1182-1064 (.526), just in case anyone was thinking about using a manager's career record to argue that he's a good manager.

 

This is a good point, but Lou has one thing Dusty will never have - a good philosophy. An emphasis on patience has turned this offense into what it is today - despite his oftentimes mind-boggling ingame moves.

 

Dusty also had one thing Lou will never have: a player with a .550 OBP.

[Tracer Bullet]

/yelling at the top of my lungs

 

MATT MURTON.

 

Apparently misplaced his power.

 

Yeah. Good thing we finally got ourselves that power hitting RF we've been missing the last few years.

 

Look, nowhere did I say Fukudome is a better power player, but if you're stacking up Murton this season and Fukudome this season, I'm glad they have Fuku.

 

I've always liked Murton as a player, but his almost complete absence of power both in his limited MLB time and in the minors this season is rather disconcerting.

 

I didn't say you suggested Fukudome had more power. But many people (and now, you) complained in the past about Murton's lack of power. But we seem to be doing just fine without a power-hitting RF.

 

As to Murton's lack of power - yes, I'm concerned about it at the minor-league level (though he's had several XBHs recently). But if you're concerned about Murton's lack of power in the majors, you must be pretty worried about Fukudome too. Career MLB - Murton's SLG is .451. In Fukudome's very short MLB career - .449.

[Tracer Bullet]

/yelling at the top of my lungs

 

MATT MURTON.

 

Apparently misplaced his power.

 

Yeah. Good thing we finally got ourselves that power hitting RF we've been missing the last few years.

 

Some people are never happy...

 

I'm perfectly happy with our RF. I just like that we're winning and everyone loves Fukudome and he's hit for less power than Murton, who apparently didn't have enough power when he was in the majors.

[Sammy Sofa]

/yelling at the top of my lungs

 

MATT MURTON.

 

Apparently misplaced his power.

 

Yeah. Good thing we finally got ourselves that power hitting RF we've been missing the last few years.

 

Some people are never happy...

 

I'm perfectly happy with our RF. I just like that we're winning and everyone loves Fukudome and he's hit for less power than Murton, who apparently didn't have enough power when he was in the majors.

 

I had no problem with Murton before. I don't have a problem with him now...just pointing out that nearly all of his XBH power suddenly up and vanished.

[C.C.]

/yelling at the top of my lungs

 

MATT MURTON.

 

Apparently misplaced his power.

 

Yeah. Good thing we finally got ourselves that power hitting RF we've been missing the last few years.

 

Some people are never happy...

 

I'm perfectly happy with our RF. I just like that we're winning and everyone loves Fukudome and he's hit for less power than Murton, who apparently didn't have enough power when he was in the majors.

 

Right now, whho would you rather have in RF Fukudome or Murton?

[Tracer Bullet]

/yelling at the top of my lungs

 

MATT MURTON.

 

Apparently misplaced his power.

 

Yeah. Good thing we finally got ourselves that power hitting RF we've been missing the last few years.

 

Some people are never happy...

 

I'm perfectly happy with our RF. I just like that we're winning and everyone loves Fukudome and he's hit for less power than Murton, who apparently didn't have enough power when he was in the majors.

 

I had no problem with Murton before. I don't have a problem with him now...just pointing out that nearly all of his XBH power suddenly up and vanished.

 

4 doubles and a triple in the last week. Maybe it's making a comeback.

 

Yeah, the complete lack of XBHs to start the season is puzzling. He was never Barry Bonds, but a .450 SLG in the majors to 0 XBHs in over a month in minors is odd.