Who is the worst manager in the Central?

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Decided to finally make this poll after the recent Gallardo happening. I'm only going to include the 2 obvious choices. Edited May 6, 2008 by 17 Seconds

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

The evil I know vs. the evil that I dont know completely.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Dusty is bad, but the idiocy of Ned Yost knows no bounds. This is a tough one.

[Derwood]

Lou is making a strong run at this one.

[CubColtPacer]

Dusty's problems can be somewhat neutralized by a G.M. who doesn't give him the types of players he wants. He still would have problems with leaving pitchers out too long (which I think he has been ok at not doing this year), but only give him certain players on the roster and most of his craziness doesn't occur.

 

Yost is a 1 man wrecking machine. He's already done things with pitchers like Gagne, Sheets, and Gallardo this season that Dusty would only do at his very worst. Not to mention that I think Yost has to be the worst bullpen manager I have ever seen. He consistently managed to put his worst relievers into the biggest situations last year.

 

As much as Dusty has the potential to wreck a franchise, I don't think it's particularly close.

[SouthSideRyan]

How bout this, the a manager that has batted Luis Rivas 2nd this year might be the 2nd best manager in the division.

[nilodnayr]

One thing that I'll give credit for is Yost is willing to listen and learn. Batting Kendall 9th and the pitcher 8th after being shown that it will result in more runs scored is indicative of being open minded and pragmatic. Yost makes a ton of in game mistakes, but at least I'll give him that.

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Batting Kendall 9th and the pitcher 8th after being shown that it will result in more runs scored

 

Where was this shown?

[Andy]

I think Lou deserves to be in this poll, but he's still not as bad as Yost.

 

TLR's not very good either, him and Lou are probably about even.

[Derwood]

I think Lou deserves to be in this poll, but he's still not as bad as Yost.

 

TLR's not very good either, him and Lou are probably about even.

 

yep, LaRussa has totally lucked into the 3rd most manager victories of all time

[17 Seconds]

Due to recent happenings, I think it's only fair that I added Lou. I was questioning it after Friday's game, and after the Marmol incident today I just couldn't keep him out of this poll any longer.

[CubColtPacer]

I think Lou deserves to be in this poll, but he's still not as bad as Yost.

 

TLR's not very good either, him and Lou are probably about even.

 

yep, LaRussa has totally lucked into the 3rd most manager victories of all time

 

And Piniella is 14th, and would have had as high of winning percentage as LaRussa if he hadn't tried to manage TB. The only reason he isn't up there in total wins is because he's only managed approximately 3100 games to LaRussa's approximate 4500 games.

 

So if you're going to make that argument for LaRussa, it's hard not to make it for Piniella as well.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

In attempt to win this poll, Dusty drops Adam Dunn to the sixth spot in the line-up tonight.

[NCCubFan]

The worst manager is the one who inexcusably and unforgiveably used his best reliever for TWO innings in a blowout win.

[dew1679666265]

Dusty's problems can be somewhat neutralized by a G.M. who doesn't give him the types of players he wants. He still would have problems with leaving pitchers out too long (which I think he has been ok at not doing this year), but only give him certain players on the roster and most of his craziness doesn't occur.

 

Yost is a 1 man wrecking machine. He's already done things with pitchers like Gagne, Sheets, and Gallardo this season that Dusty would only do at his very worst. Not to mention that I think Yost has to be the worst bullpen manager I have ever seen. He consistently managed to put his worst relievers into the biggest situations last year.

 

As much as Dusty has the potential to wreck a franchise, I don't think it's particularly close.

 

A point to consider against Dusty, though, is that Dusty can completely ruin an offense as well as a pitching staff.

 

Yost definitely was horrible with his dealings with Gallardo, Sheets and Gagne this year - but Dusty has also wrecked (or at least played a part in wrecking) Prior, Chad Fox and LaTroy Hawkins (mentally, at least).

 

Unlike Yost, though, Dusty has also made a terrible mark on offenses. His preaching of overaggression has likely severely damaged multiple Cubs prospects (CPatt, Cedeno, etc) and has the potential to do the same to multiple Reds prospects (Votto's aggresiveness, Jay Bruce, etc).

 

Yost, at least, hasn't done much damage to the approach of young guys like Weeks, Braun, Hart, etc.

[dew1679666265]

The worst manager is the one who inexcusably and unforgiveably used his best reliever for TWO innings in a blowout win.

 

Bad as that decision was, Lou is still light years better than either Yost or Dusty and could still be the best manager in the Central - not that the competition is stout, though.

[Schwarber Fan]

Yost has gotta be the worst. He might have singlehandedly destroyed the Brewers' season by leaving Gallardo in on Thursday.

[SouthSideRyan]

LaRussa is undeniably the best manager in the Central.

[dew1679666265]

LaRussa is undeniably the best manager in the Central.

 

Yeah, LaRussa's the best. Without one of the best managers in the history of the game, though, Lou would be the best.

 

Just pointing out he's pretty clearly not the worst manager in the Central and is, in fact, quite a bit ahead of everybody else.

[splintersag]

The guy who walks and can't run, most of the time they're clogging up the bases for somebody who can run.

 

Enough said

[TruffleShuffle]

But your job in the middle is to either score them or drive them in. The name of the game is scoring runs. Sometimes, you get so caught up in on-base percentage that you're clogging up the bases.

 

Who have been the champions the last seven, eight years? Have you ever heard the Yankees talk about on-base percentage and walks? . . . Walks help. They do help. But you aren’t going to walk across the plate, you’re going to hit across the plate. That’s the school I come from.

[dew1679666265]

But your job in the middle is to either score them or drive them in. The name of the game is scoring runs. Sometimes, you get so caught up in on-base percentage that you're clogging up the bases.

 

Who have been the champions the last seven, eight years? Have you ever heard the Yankees talk about on-base percentage and walks? . . . Walks help. They do help. But you aren’t going to walk across the plate, you’re going to hit across the plate. That’s the school I come from.

 

Exactly the reason it's silly to compare Dusty to Lou. Lou has a good overall philosophy (likes OBP for instance) and isn't killing our pitchers, but makes bad in-game decisions sometimes.

 

Dusty, on the other hand, has all of Lou's bad attributes, plus doesn't have the good redeeming qualities of Lou.

 

Lou's better and it's really not even the least bit close.

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But your job in the middle is to either score them or drive them in. The name of the game is scoring runs. Sometimes, you get so caught up in on-base percentage that you're clogging up the bases.

 

Who have been the champions the last seven, eight years? Have you ever heard the Yankees talk about on-base percentage and walks? . . . Walks help. They do help. But you aren’t going to walk across the plate, you’re going to hit across the plate. That’s the school I come from.

 

and isn't killing our pitchers,

 

I think that's TBD (Marmol).

[dew1679666265]

But your job in the middle is to either score them or drive them in. The name of the game is scoring runs. Sometimes, you get so caught up in on-base percentage that you're clogging up the bases.

 

Who have been the champions the last seven, eight years? Have you ever heard the Yankees talk about on-base percentage and walks? . . . Walks help. They do help. But you aren’t going to walk across the plate, you’re going to hit across the plate. That’s the school I come from.

 

and isn't killing our pitchers,

 

I think that's TBD (Marmol).

 

Nothing close to what Dusty likely aided with on Wood and Prior. I'm not all that concerned with Marmol's usage yet, we'll see how the rest of the season goes.