We won't win with Wood

[Soul]

I've been wondering when we'd see this guy again.

 

Hehe. Fun, ain't it?

[TruffleShuffle]

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[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Who didn't see this coming when Lou ignores Marmol's clearly better record and gives the closer job to someone who HAD NEVER CLOSED ONCE. This OJT is not something you do for a closer. 7 closing opportunities--3 blown saves. :-({|=

 

Wood can't go 3 days in a row in any role and has never had good control- 3 HBP already.

 

Lou better wise up and get Wood out of there.

 

I thought you wanted Howry to close which surely would have been the best choice.

[Banedon]

Who didn't see this coming when Lou ignores Marmol's clearly better record and gives the closer job to someone who HAD NEVER CLOSED ONCE. This OJT is not something you do for a closer. 7 closing opportunities--3 blown saves. :-({|=

 

Wood can't go 3 days in a row in any role and has never had good control- 3 HBP already.

 

Lou better wise up and get Wood out of there.

 

I thought you wanted Howry to close which surely would have been the best choice.

 

No, no...see, he made a nice vague opinion where he listed Wood, Marmol, and Howry, and then didn't say which one he wanted, just not Wood. So now, he can claim that he really wanted Marmol all along...it's a nice CYA move.

[BudHouse]

Hey BudHouse, where were you in April?

 

Been watching our 'closer' blow 3 saves in one month, the same number as Dempster did all of last year. And yet Dempster was "no good".

 

Let's lower that bar a little more, shall we.

[abuck1220]

hey, guy who hates wood, who is pitching the 7th and 8th yesterday if marmol is closing?

[BudHouse]

Who didn't see this coming when Lou ignores Marmol's clearly better record and gives the closer job to someone who HAD NEVER CLOSED ONCE. This OJT is not something you do for a closer. 7 closing opportunities--3 blown saves. :-({|=

 

Wood can't go 3 days in a row in any role and has never had good control- 3 HBP already.

 

Lou better wise up and get Wood out of there.

 

I thought you wanted Howry to close which surely would have been the best choice.

 

No, no...see, he made a nice vague opinion where he listed Wood, Marmol, and Howry, and then didn't say which one he wanted, just not Wood. So now, he can claim that he really wanted Marmol all along...it's a nice CYA move.

 

No need to CYA, I want the best closer for this team. If that is Wood, then do the job. But don't have some phony ST competition, ignore the results and put your boy in there. I hear the same thing from the Bears. "We're gonna have a real competition in training camp. The best one will win out. BLAH..BLAH..BLAH." Kerry Wood=Rex Grossman.

[Sammy Sofa]

Your logic is unstoppable and intimidating.

[badger1679666666]

Your logic is unstoppable and intimidating.

 

:lol:

[Banedon]

Who didn't see this coming when Lou ignores Marmol's clearly better record and gives the closer job to someone who HAD NEVER CLOSED ONCE. This OJT is not something you do for a closer. 7 closing opportunities--3 blown saves. :-({|=

 

Wood can't go 3 days in a row in any role and has never had good control- 3 HBP already.

 

Lou better wise up and get Wood out of there.

 

I thought you wanted Howry to close which surely would have been the best choice.

 

No, no...see, he made a nice vague opinion where he listed Wood, Marmol, and Howry, and then didn't say which one he wanted, just not Wood. So now, he can claim that he really wanted Marmol all along...it's a nice CYA move.

 

No need to CYA, I want the best closer for this team. If that is Wood, then do the job. But don't have some phony ST competition, ignore the results and put your boy in there. I hear the same thing from the Bears. "We're gonna have a real competition in training camp. The best one will win out. BLAH..BLAH..BLAH." Kerry Wood=Rex Grossman.

 

If Howry had won the closer job, and sucked as bad as he does now, he'd have more blown saves than Wood does now.

 

Would you be posting today if that were the case?

 

How does Kerry Wood=Rex Grossman? Wood was rookie of the year, pitched one of the best games ever pitched, had numerous injuries, and is having success as a reliever after taking a huge hometown discount for 2 year in a row because of the non-performances he had while he was injured.

 

Which part of that is Rex Grossman?

[Wheelimus]

Remember folks, Trolls only come back if you keep feeding them.

[CoolHandLuke]

To address the thread title:

 

2007 Cleveland Indians: 96-66

 

closer: Joe Borowski, of the 5+ era.

 

 

Closer is not, or at least should not be, a position.

 

The only problem i see with the current bullpen usage is that Lou won't use Marmol in the 9th, when the 9th actually is the most important inning.

 

You were doing so well until that nonsensical last sentence.

 

I think by "when the 9th actually is the most important inning," he's saying that in those games in which the 9th really is most important (1-run leads, guys get on base in a close game, heart of the order up), Lou isn't going to his "best" reliever - Marmol. Lou is sticking with his "closer" in those situations, and CHL is suggesting Lou should use Marmol in the highest-leverage situations, whether it be the 7th, 8th, or a save situation in the 9th that's harder than your routine 3-run lead, no one on, bottom of the order up, 9th.

 

If I'm completely misread his post, than I share your opinion, jersey.

 

Yeah, this is what I meant, thanks. I suppose I should have said "when the 9th is the situation with the highest leverage".

[Hairyducked Idiot]

BP mentions today that Woods' expected wins added relative to replacement level is now below zero, aka below replacement level.

 

He's blown up big-time in some high-leverage situations.

[Banedon]

Remember folks, Trolls only come back if you keep feeding them.

 

I'm at work 2 more hours and I'm bored. :cool:

[Butterscup1679666578]

I'd be all for moving Wood to a standard middle relief role if I felt we had someone who could actually come in and shut down games, but right now we're mostly a 1-man pen. I don't want Marmol in that role because, like many of you, want him in the extremely critical situations. If Wood continues to struggle and Howry starts stepping up a bit then I'm all for a switch, but until then we gotta stick with what we got.

[Wheelimus]

Remember folks, Trolls only come back if you keep feeding them.

 

I'm at work 2 more hours and I'm bored. :cool:

 

I've seen Land of the Dead. I understand the logic behind keeping a troll/zombie alive for personal amusement. :lol:

[BudHouse]

How does Kerry Wood=Rex Grossman? Wood was rookie of the year, pitched one of the best games ever pitched, had numerous injuries, and is having success as a reliever after taking a huge hometown discount for 2 year in a row because of the non-performances he had while he was injured.

 

Which part of that is Rex Grossman?

 

What success as a reliever?

7 save opportunities and 3 blown saves is not a success. And the BIGGEST game of Wood's career, one game short of a World Series, he lost. Not good.

 

Grossman was QB of the Bears in a Super Bowl, had numerous injuries and also took a hometown discount for one year. He also was 'awarded' the job, after another dubious competition, in which he was clearly outplayed in training camp. Both GMs don't want to admit that they made a mistake and continue to bring these guys back not based on production. Call it sentimentality or whatever, but they have blind spots on some players(Wood, Fox).

[Magnetic Curses]

hmmmm.......your ideas are intriguing to me and i wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

[ctcf]

Sham. Closer.

[badger1679666666]

he's awful. Get him out of there.

 

 

So will budhouse only show up when Woody blows a save?

[TruffleShuffle]

How does Kerry Wood=Rex Grossman? Wood was rookie of the year, pitched one of the best games ever pitched, had numerous injuries, and is having success as a reliever after taking a huge hometown discount for 2 year in a row because of the non-performances he had while he was injured.

 

Which part of that is Rex Grossman?

 

What success as a reliever?

7 save opportunities and 3 blown saves is not a success. And the BIGGEST game of Wood's career, one game short of a World Series, he lost. Not good.

 

he also dominated the braves in two games of the first series, including a game five, which was the SECOND BIGGEST game of wood's career. good.

[Colin Wyers]

BP mentions today that Woods' expected wins added relative to replacement level is now below zero, aka below replacement level.

 

He's blown up big-time in some high-leverage situations.

 

Hardball Times tracks reliever levredge and win probability added, and it's not pretty. Wood is coming dangerously close to costing this team wins if he hasn't already done so.

 

(Also, can we NOT use Chad Fox when the game is on the line? Thanks.)

[TruffleShuffle]

BP mentions today that Woods' expected wins added relative to replacement level is now below zero, aka below replacement level.

 

He's blown up big-time in some high-leverage situations.

 

Hardball Times tracks reliever levredge and win probability added, and it's not pretty. Wood is coming dangerously close to costing this team wins if he hasn't already done so.

 

is this a good time to bring up the term "sample size"?

[El Rojito]

Hardball Times tracks reliever levredge and win probability added, and it's not pretty. Wood is coming dangerously close to costing this team wins if he hasn't already done so.

I was checking that out, and Wood's peripherals aren't so far from Marmol's. The big difference, of course, is the earned runs. However, I think over the long haul Wood should be fine.

[Colin Wyers]

BP mentions today that Woods' expected wins added relative to replacement level is now below zero, aka below replacement level.

 

He's blown up big-time in some high-leverage situations.

 

Hardball Times tracks reliever levredge and win probability added, and it's not pretty. Wood is coming dangerously close to costing this team wins if he hasn't already done so.

 

is this a good time to bring up the term "sample size"?

 

It's always a good time to bring up sample size. But I don't think it's correct to argue that Wood has pitched especially well so far this season. The discussion then becomes how meaningful that is.

 

I was checking that out, and Wood's peripherals aren't so far from Marmol's. The big difference, of course, is the earned runs. However, I think over the long haul Wood should be fine.

 

The big difference is strikeouts - 1.3 K/IP for Marmol, .94 K/IP for Wood. Marmol's walk rate is much higher as well, though.