Re: Lou fed up with Pie? (Will Carroll)

[Brett]

Lou - to the extent he has control over roster moves - certainly showed that he's not one to hold back on sending a guy packing to AAA when he's "fed up" with them.

[Jehrico]

Lou - to the extent he has control over roster moves - certainly showed that he's not one to hold back on sending a guy packing to AAA when he's "fed up" with them.

Good point.

[E.J.]

Pie might be sent down?

 

Rotoworld:

 

Felix Pie-OF- Cubs May. 5 - 9:14 am et

 

The Daily Herald suggests that Felix Pie could be headed to the minor leagues.

Pie has continued to struggle at the plate, and right-handed Reed Johnson got the start against a righty on Sunday. Ronny Cedeno has started taking fly balls in center field, and the paper speculates that with Cedeno as an emergency option, Pie could be sent to Triple-A Iowa.

Source: Arlington Daily Herald

[C.C.]

Pie might be sent down?

 

Rotoworld:

 

Felix Pie-OF- Cubs May. 5 - 9:14 am et

 

The Daily Herald suggests that Felix Pie could be headed to the minor leagues.

Pie has continued to struggle at the plate, and right-handed Reed Johnson got the start against a righty on Sunday. Ronny Cedeno has started taking fly balls in center field, and the paper speculates that with Cedeno as an emergency option, Pie could be sent to Triple-A Iowa.

Source: Arlington Daily Herald

 

If Lou won't start him he might as well be playing somewhere. It does no good to let him rot on the bench.

[CubinNY]

@#W#$@@@@!#%^&$%$#, Teh Cobs is sTUpid.

[Sammy Sofa]

And the Dusty cycle starts all over again.

[Amazing_Grace]

The Cubs are in "win now" mode. They aren't going to have a guy hitting .220 in the lineup no matter how good he projects to be in the future. Let's not kid ourselves. For every prospect that becomes good, there are 2 or 3 that bust. You take a risk either way. We've criticized Jim often enough for waiting too long to trade a guy. Everyone was peeved that the Cubs "gave up" on Hee-Seop Choi, but we sold high, and now have Derrek Lee, and that was a good move.

[Sammy Sofa]

The Cubs are in "win now" mode. They aren't going to have a guy hitting .220 in the lineup no matter how good he projects to be in the future. Let's not kid ourselves. For every prospect that becomes good, there are 2 or 3 that bust. You take a risk either way. We've criticized Jim often enough for waiting too long to trade a guy. Everyone was peeved that the Cubs "gave up" on Hee-Seop Choi, but we sold high, and now have Derrek Lee, and that was a good move.

 

OK, good, so keep the guy in CF fulltime who is an offensive black hole against righties. That totally is a smart "win now" mentality.

 

And don't feed me this "oooh, Cedeno will platoon CF" garbage. He takes one bad route on a ball out there and he's benched or worse.

 

Lou is managerial garbage.

[bukie]

Felix Pie is hitting over .300 since Lou and Gerald worked with him on his swing.

 

I feel like a broken record.

[javy knows my name]

Lou's veteran fetish is approaching Dusty-esque levels.

UGH

[C.C.]

Lou's veteran fetish is approaching Dusty-esque levels.

UGH

 

Well to be fair a ton of rookies have gotten a chance and stuck. Soto, Marmol, Theriot, Font, etc...

[javy knows my name]

Lou's veteran fetish is approaching Dusty-esque levels.

UGH

 

Well to be fair a ton of rookies have gotten a chance and stuck. Soto, Marmol, Theriot, Font, etc...

 

After the abysmal failings of the signings of Kendall and Trachsel (and Lou's insistence on playing him over Marshall down the stretch). Even Dusty plays Soto right now, probably starts him based on the numbers he put up in September.

[jersey cubs fan]

Lou's veteran fetish is approaching Dusty-esque levels.

UGH

 

Well to be fair a ton of rookies have gotten a chance and stuck. Soto, Marmol, Theriot, Font, etc...

 

Which shows the only way to stick is to produce immediately. There's no room for adjustments to the major league game. Get a big hit or record a bit out in your first game, and you are golden. Lou is all about first impressions and taking forever to change those impressions.

[Jehrico]

Felix Pie is hitting over .300 since Lou and Gerald worked with him on his swing.

 

I feel like a broken record.

So that makes him what, 1 for 3? #-o

[bukie]

Felix Pie is hitting over .300 since Lou and Gerald worked with him on his swing.

 

I feel like a broken record.

So that makes him what, 1 for 3? #-o

7-23. He was 4-26 prior to it. It takes a while to dig out of a sub-.200 hole before the overall averages start looking respectable. More than 5 starts at least.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Felix Pie is hitting over .300 since Lou and Gerald worked with him on his swing.

 

I feel like a broken record.

So that makes him what, 1 for 3? #-o

7-23. He was 4-26 prior to it. It takes a while to dig out of a sub-.200 hole before the overall averages start looking respectable. More than 5 starts at least.

 

Pie                AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA     RC   RBI%
03/31 - 04/18      26    1    4    0    0    0    2    1   10  0.154  0.214  0.154  0.368  0.250  3.75    0.9  0.091
04/19 - 05/04      23    3    7    1    0    1    5    2    7  0.304  0.370  0.478  0.849  0.400  3.26    4.1  0.182

[Jehrico]

Felix Pie is hitting over .300 since Lou and Gerald worked with him on his swing.

 

I feel like a broken record.

So that makes him what, 1 for 3? #-o

7-23. He was 4-26 prior to it. It takes a while to dig out of a sub-.200 hole before the overall averages start looking respectable. More than 5 starts at least.

I know. It's just funny that they dedicated all of this extra attention to working with him, then have basically failed to even give him hardly any playing time to show it paid off. In what little he has gotten, as you noted, he hasn't done bad at all.

[davearm2]

Felix Pie is hitting over .300 since the most recent time Lou and Gerald worked with him on his swing.

 

I feel like a broken record.

Fixed.

 

Lou and Gerald have been working with Pie on his swing since the day each was hired.

[nilodnayr]

Felix Pie is hitting over .300 since Lou and Gerald worked with him on his swing.

 

I feel like a broken record.

So that makes him what, 1 for 3? #-o

7-23. He was 4-26 prior to it. It takes a while to dig out of a sub-.200 hole before the overall averages start looking respectable. More than 5 starts at least.

I know. It's just funny that they dedicated all of this extra attention to working with him, then have basically failed to even give him hardly any playing time to show it paid off. In what little he has gotten, as you noted, he hasn't done bad at all.

 

Hopefully they are still agressively working with him inbetween games and we just haven't heard about it.

[cbbryan]

When all is said and done:

 

Pie = Brock

 

 

I just hope it's not the Cardinals that get him.

[TruffleShuffle]

from today's game thread:

 

Pie is overmatched and looking clueless. Please send him to AAA

 

How anyone can say that Pie is ready to contribute in the major leagues is beyond me. Hey, we all want him to succeed, but he's just not a smart enough hitter right now.

 

 

note that later in the game he hit a ball to the fence in left, singled and walked. YES, the guy took a pitch for strike three, but i'd rather see a young guy do that than hacking at garbage the whole AB. and i'm pretty sure that we've all seen kosuke and derrek lee take good pitches for third strikes. that's part of being a patient hitter; sometimes you're going to get fooled on a pitch and not pull the trigger.

 

bottom line, pie has been performing relatively well at the plate over the past couple of weeks, and nobody will say that he doesn't offer a pretty big edge over reed johnson in the field. people (lou especially) need to get over this idea that he is completely lost at the plate, and accept that he's a 23 year old player who is still adjusting to big league pitching.

[bukie]

When announcers on both teams are also getting into the act, it's bordering on absurd. And, I hate to say it, but if Felix Pie's and Reed Johnson's situations were switched (i.e. Johnson was the 23yo struggling to make it and Pie was the 31yo recently cut), Johnson would be getting the support.