How bad is Corey going to manhandle us this week?

[RedFlash]

Corey is a career: .256/.301/.425/.726 at Wrigley. So he might impact the series with his power. He won't get on, but he could "feesibly" hit a couple of dingers, in between his strikeouts, and beat the Cubs that way.

[bringdustybacker]

Corey Patterson is still the same player he always has been. He's just been aided by some fluky power in the early going.

 

i'm not so sure...

 

2004: 687 PA, 168 K (24.5% K/PA)

2005: 481 PA, 118 K (24.5% K/PA)

2006: 498 PA, 94 K (18.9% K/PA)

2007: 503 PA, 65 K (12.9% K/PA)

 

So? Whether it's strikeouts, pop outs or ground outs, he still makes the same amount of them. Last year he struck out almost 30 times less than 2006 in only two less at bats and his OBP still dropped.

 

Dude you were just proven wrong, give up already.

[Roast]

Corey Patterson is still the same player he always has been. He's just been aided by some fluky power in the early going.

 

i'm not so sure...

 

2004: 687 PA, 168 K (24.5% K/PA)

2005: 481 PA, 118 K (24.5% K/PA)

2006: 498 PA, 94 K (18.9% K/PA)

2007: 503 PA, 65 K (12.9% K/PA)

 

So? Whether it's strikeouts, pop outs or ground outs, he still makes the same amount of them. Last year he struck out almost 30 times less than 2006 in only two less at bats and his OBP still dropped.

 

Dude you were just proven wrong, give up already.

What? No he wasn't. Even though Corey's strikeouts have dropped he is still getting on base at the same low rate

[reds44]

Even with Patterson's surge in power early in the year, he has only swung and missed 4 times all season. However, despite his hot start he still has an OBP only 8 points above .300.

[SouthSideRyan]

Even with Patterson's surge in power early in the year, he has only swung and missed 4 times all season. However, despite his hot start he still has an OBP only 8 points above .300.

 

Because, as I was saying, a lot of the contact he's making isn't solid contact

[reds44]

Even with Patterson's surge in power early in the year, he has only swung and missed 4 times all season. However, despite his hot start he still has an OBP only 8 points above .300.

 

Because, as I was saying, a lot of the contact he's making isn't solid contact

I've seen everyone of his AB's, and I'd disagree with that.

[David]

Corey Patterson is still the same player he always has been. He's just been aided by some fluky power in the early going.

 

i'm not so sure...

 

2004: 687 PA, 168 K (24.5% K/PA)

2005: 481 PA, 118 K (24.5% K/PA)

2006: 498 PA, 94 K (18.9% K/PA)

2007: 503 PA, 65 K (12.9% K/PA)

 

So? Whether it's strikeouts, pop outs or ground outs, he still makes the same amount of them. Last year he struck out almost 30 times less than 2006 in only two less at bats and his OBP still dropped.

 

Dude you were just proven wrong, give up already.

What? No he wasn't. Even though Corey's strikeouts have dropped he is still getting on base at the same low rate

 

LOL

 

Come on, roast. You should know better.

[imb]

LD% of 15.4

[javy knows my name]

Corey Patterson is still the same player he always has been. He's just been aided by some fluky power in the early going.

 

i'm not so sure...

 

2004: 687 PA, 168 K (24.5% K/PA)

2005: 481 PA, 118 K (24.5% K/PA)

2006: 498 PA, 94 K (18.9% K/PA)

2007: 503 PA, 65 K (12.9% K/PA)

 

So? Whether it's strikeouts, pop outs or ground outs, he still makes the same amount of them. Last year he struck out almost 30 times less than 2006 in only two less at bats and his OBP still dropped.

 

Dude you were just proven wrong, give up already.

What? No he wasn't. Even though Corey's strikeouts have dropped he is still getting on base at the same low rate

No feed-y the trolls

[bringdustybacker]

Corey Patterson is still the same player he always has been. He's just been aided by some fluky power in the early going.

 

i'm not so sure...

 

2004: 687 PA, 168 K (24.5% K/PA)

2005: 481 PA, 118 K (24.5% K/PA)

2006: 498 PA, 94 K (18.9% K/PA)

2007: 503 PA, 65 K (12.9% K/PA)

 

So? Whether it's strikeouts, pop outs or ground outs, he still makes the same amount of them. Last year he struck out almost 30 times less than 2006 in only two less at bats and his OBP still dropped.

 

Dude you were just proven wrong, give up already.

What? No he wasn't. Even though Corey's strikeouts have dropped he is still getting on base at the same low rate

No feed-y the trolls

 

more like don't feed the cubs fan.

[javy knows my name]

Corey Patterson is still the same player he always has been. He's just been aided by some fluky power in the early going.

 

i'm not so sure...

 

2004: 687 PA, 168 K (24.5% K/PA)

2005: 481 PA, 118 K (24.5% K/PA)

2006: 498 PA, 94 K (18.9% K/PA)

2007: 503 PA, 65 K (12.9% K/PA)

 

So? Whether it's strikeouts, pop outs or ground outs, he still makes the same amount of them. Last year he struck out almost 30 times less than 2006 in only two less at bats and his OBP still dropped.

 

Dude you were just proven wrong, give up already.

What? No he wasn't. Even though Corey's strikeouts have dropped he is still getting on base at the same low rate

No feed-y the trolls

 

more like don't feed the cubs fan.

Okay, I think that's enough, Meph

[bringdustybacker]

Corey Patterson is still the same player he always has been. He's just been aided by some fluky power in the early going.

 

i'm not so sure...

 

2004: 687 PA, 168 K (24.5% K/PA)

2005: 481 PA, 118 K (24.5% K/PA)

2006: 498 PA, 94 K (18.9% K/PA)

2007: 503 PA, 65 K (12.9% K/PA)

 

So? Whether it's strikeouts, pop outs or ground outs, he still makes the same amount of them. Last year he struck out almost 30 times less than 2006 in only two less at bats and his OBP still dropped.

 

Dude you were just proven wrong, give up already.

What? No he wasn't. Even though Corey's strikeouts have dropped he is still getting on base at the same low rate

No feed-y the trolls

 

more like don't feed the cubs fan.

Okay, I think that's enough, Meph

 

WTF are you talking about?

[Illini Iceman]

the less one strikes out, the better chance one has to get on base. his BABIP was also down last year, as was his LD%. i don't know that he's necessarily the same hitter; he seems to have cut down his strikeout rate, but he doesn't draw any more walks and also seems to not be making as solid contact. i'm not really sure what to think about him. if he cut down the K rate to where it was last year but managed to keep up his batting average and his power, he'd actually be a decent player.

 

Honestly, I don't know how much I agree with the idea that a player with a high K rate has a lower chance of getting on base than a player with a low K rate. When you think of guys who K at monstrous rates like Ryan Howard and Adam Dunn, then compare them to the Juan Pierres of the world, that sort of data tends to run counter to the idea that strikeouts hinder your ability to get on base more than some other factor.

 

no, i was just saying that if a guy strikes out a certain number of times, then manages to halve that rate while keeping all other things the same, he'll get on base more. but, that requires that all other things are the same, and i don't know if that is necessarily the case.

 

When you dramatically lower your K rate, all other other things are never going to stay the same. Corey wasn't/isn't K-ing as much because he's slapping more.

Definatley haven't seen that. The thing I have noticed more now than his time with the Cubs is he has been getting ahead in the count a lot more.

 

You have been able to make that conclusion after watching a whopping 42 AB's, huh? I am guessing that in his over 2000 AB's with the Cubs he had a couple 42 AB stretches where he got ahead in the count at a higher rate. But eventually.......

[Vanilla Ice]

Corey Patterson is still the same player he always has been. He's just been aided by some fluky power in the early going.

 

i'm not so sure...

 

2004: 687 PA, 168 K (24.5% K/PA)

2005: 481 PA, 118 K (24.5% K/PA)

2006: 498 PA, 94 K (18.9% K/PA)

2007: 503 PA, 65 K (12.9% K/PA)

 

So? Whether it's strikeouts, pop outs or ground outs, he still makes the same amount of them. Last year he struck out almost 30 times less than 2006 in only two less at bats and his OBP still dropped.

 

Dude you were just proven wrong, give up already.

What? No he wasn't. Even though Corey's strikeouts have dropped he is still getting on base at the same low rate

No feed-y the trolls

 

more like don't feed the white sox fan.

fixed

[reds44]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/busting-out-corey-patterson

 

Corey Patterson has always been thought of as a guy with tremendous potential. From 1999 to 2001, Baseball America ranked him as the 16th, 3rd, and 2nd best prospect in baseball respectively. The physical talents were obvious; terrific athleticism, quick bat, legitimate home run power, and serious speed from a guy playing a premium defensive position well. However, Patterson struggled to refine his approach at the plate, and by repeatedly chasing pitches out of the strike zone, he made himself a fairly easy out for opposing pitchers. If you can’t make contact, it is tough to be an offensive asset. For seven years, Patterson simply didn’t hit the ball often enough to live up to his natural talent, which led to him being bounced out of both Chicago and Baltimore and finding himself as an unwanted free agent this winter.

 

After an offseason of rejection, the Cincinnati Reds offered him a minor league contract on March 3rd, giving him a chance to fight for a roster spot in spring training. After they decided to send Jay Bruce to Triple-A to start the year, Patterson found himself with a regular job, and with the way his 2008 season has started (.57 WPA/LI and the Reds best hitter to date), he may just have found a home where he can remind people of the player they thought he would be.

 

It all starts with his strikeout rate. Look at the graph of his contact ability throughout his career.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/300_of_season_blog_4_20080413.png

 

During his time in Chicago, he was a strikeout machine. As you can see, this is something he’s clearly worked on improving, as the line from his 2005 to 2008 strikeout rate shows a huge decline. So far this year, he’s struck out two times in 46 plate appearances. That’s pretty remarkable for a guy with a career K% of 22.7%. His current K% of 4.8% puts him in a group with noted contact kings Casey Kotchman and Placido Polanco. When you look at the pitch data summary from his Baseball-Reference page, you can see the difference. Even though he’s seeing less strikes than in any other season, he’s only swinging at 72% of those pitches in the strike zone, compared to a career average of 81%.

 

By being more selective in which pitches to swing at, Patterson has managed to put himself in positions to hit pitches he can do something with, and that’s been manifest in his performance. Of his 11 hits, five are doubles and four are home runs, giving him a .405 Isolated Slugging Percentage that ranks fifth in all of baseball. Patterson’s early season performance isn’t going to be sustained at this level (a 7% swinging strike rate is impossible to keep up), but there are legitimate reasons to believe that he’s adopted a new approach at the plate, and his continued contact ability could be just the ticket to stardom that people have been projecting on Patterson for most of this decade.

Patterson's BABIP is currently below .200, FTR.

[sneakypower]

he worked on his swing with Crowley last season and batted .313 after the break, albeit with a .458 slg.

 

23 Ks in 201 ABs is a sharp contrast from 168 in a season. i have to admit i'm still rooting for him, I'd love to see Corey become an all-star.

[TruffleShuffle]

he worked on his swing with Crowley last season

 

this can't be right, corey patterson doesn't give a crap and is too stubborn to anything about the way he plays baseball.

[imb]

he worked on his swing with Crowley last season and batted .313 after the break, albeit with a .458 slg.

 

23 Ks in 201 ABs is a sharp contrast from 168 in a season. i have to admit i'm still rooting for him, I'd love to see Corey become an all-star.

 

Me too. I doubt there was a bigger Patterson supporter on here when he was a cub.

[TruffleShuffle]

you guys are probably right about him turning into a slap hitter. the BABIP decrease and LD% decrease tend to support this, though it is a relatively small sample size. it's an interesting case, because most guys who have a problem making contact don't drastically improve on this weakness in their late 20s. i guess there is still some hope that he has shortened his swing and improved his ability to make contact, and then the next step is learning how to hit for a little more pop without going back to the too-long swing. i guess it wouldn't shock me if he ended up with numbers kinda in the vein of devon white, minus a few walks. hopefully he can do it, i always liked him.

[Sammy Sofa]

he worked on his swing with Crowley last season and batted .313 after the break, albeit with a .458 slg.

 

23 Ks in 201 ABs is a sharp contrast from 168 in a season. i have to admit i'm still rooting for him, I'd love to see Corey become an all-star.

 

Me too. I doubt there was a bigger Patterson supporter on here when he was a cub.

 

I dunno, there was that one REALLY fat guy.

[Derwood]

he worked on his swing with Crowley last season and batted .313 after the break, albeit with a .458 slg.

 

23 Ks in 201 ABs is a sharp contrast from 168 in a season. i have to admit i'm still rooting for him, I'd love to see Corey become an all-star.

 

Me too. I doubt there was a bigger Patterson supporter on here when he was a cub.

 

I dunno, there was that one REALLY fat guy.

 

I remember him:

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/edstevensiscool/4234.jpg

[Magnetic Curses]

corey is what he is. he'll hit for power and he's fast, but he'll never be very patient unless he can maintain his power numbers over an extended period of time.

[Magnetic Curses]

he worked on his swing with Crowley last season and batted .313 after the break, albeit with a .458 slg.

 

23 Ks in 201 ABs is a sharp contrast from 168 in a season. i have to admit i'm still rooting for him, I'd love to see Corey become an all-star.

 

Me too. I doubt there was a bigger Patterson supporter on here when he was a cub.

 

I dunno, there was that one REALLY fat guy.

 

I remember him:

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/edstevensiscool/4234.jpg

 

yay! i miss that little guy.

[Derwood]

he worked on his swing with Crowley last season and batted .313 after the break, albeit with a .458 slg.

 

23 Ks in 201 ABs is a sharp contrast from 168 in a season. i have to admit i'm still rooting for him, I'd love to see Corey become an all-star.

 

Me too. I doubt there was a bigger Patterson supporter on here when he was a cub.

 

I dunno, there was that one REALLY fat guy.

 

I remember him:

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/edstevensiscool/4234.jpg

 

yay! i miss that little guy.

 

little?

[Magnetic Curses]

he worked on his swing with Crowley last season and batted .313 after the break, albeit with a .458 slg.

 

23 Ks in 201 ABs is a sharp contrast from 168 in a season. i have to admit i'm still rooting for him, I'd love to see Corey become an all-star.

 

Me too. I doubt there was a bigger Patterson supporter on here when he was a cub.

 

I dunno, there was that one REALLY fat guy.

 

I remember him:

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/edstevensiscool/4234.jpg

 

yay! i miss that little guy.

 

little?

 

yeah, he's a littyle kid. lot's of kids are fat, i've seen way fatter.