Official Theriot appreciation thread

[RynoRules]

I agree Rush Street Ronny should be starting, but so long as Ryan is (and my suspicion is that he won't be come May 1st) I might as well support him.

 

Also, I think Ronny's nickname is still hurting him in Lou's eyes. That said, it says something that he made the team over Cintron.

[Roast]

he's the best we got

no, he really isn't

 

Yes, he really is. I can only think of one other person on the team who plays shortstop and you can't be talking about Cedeno. Who is this anonymous shortstop?

 

Cedeno. I know he's not white or gritty enough, but he's still no worse than Theriot.

 

His past major league performances beg to differ.

 

Tell me that you want to try DeRosa at short or make a trade - great, I'm ALL for that. Let's do it, but Cedeno isn't better than Theriot. He just isn't.

Baloney.

 

The last time cedeno had anything resembling consistant Major League playing time was 2006, and yes - he stunk up the joint. But he was TWENTY THREE. He was simply not ready for the big leagues. Then last year all he did was hit in the .340's for most of the year at AAA Iowa. He's proved all he can in Iowa - it's time to give him another chance in the big leagues. Cedeno is no worse than theriot and has a ceiling higher than theriot. The decision should be simple.

[Flames24Rulz]

White Theriot = gritty, hard-working

 

Latino Neifi = lazy, makes stupid mistakes

 

You of all people on this board should not be making something I say into a racial argument.

 

And I know for a fact from your wishing bad things on him last year that you don't like Neifi one bit.

 

Uh, what?

 

No one liked Neifi one bit because he SUCKED. Not many people on here like Theriot because most of us know that Theriot is bad as well. But hey, as long as he tries hard everyday, that's what counts. Hey, maybe we'll luck into a World Series one of these years by just signing players that suck. But at least they'll give maximum effort everyday!

[CyHawk_Cub]

i will appreciate theriot when he is batting eighth, and i will adore him when he no longer starts

[Sarcastic]

This thread is a great example of why you should NEVER try to talk with Cubs fans after a loss. I don't think the original post has anyting to do with believing Theriot is a good player. He does make a questionable assertion that Theriot is the team's best option, but the heart of his post is more of a fan philosophy (support the team if they are trying) than an argument about who should be playing, how the team should be fixed, or who should take the blame.

 

Seriously, random cursing at posters is not cool. Neither is making posters scapegoats.

Edited April 3, 2008 by Sarcastic

[javy knows my name]

he's the best we got

no, he really isn't

 

Agreed, Cedeno is better and so would moving DeRosa to short and starting E-Patt at 2B. He's only the best realistic option because our organization lacks any creative ability whatsoever. Jim is a moron, and Lou is just a silly old man.

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My thoughts exactly!

[Andy]

This thread is a great example of why you should NEVER try to talk with Cubs fans after a loss. I don't think the original post has anyting to do with believing Theriot is a good player. He does make a questionable assertion that Theriot is the team's best option, but the heart of his post is more of a fan philosophy (support the team if they are trying) than an argument about who should be playing, how the team should be fixed, or who should take the blame.

 

Seriously, random cursing at posters is not cool. Neither is making posters scapegoats.

This is a fair point.

 

We all want Theriot to do well - I seriously doubt anyone on this board doesn't want that. Most of us just know that Theriot is not likely to do well, and is damn near certain not to do well enough to justify hitting at the top of the order.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

This is a great thread....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For me to poop in

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[CyHawk_Cub]

I agree Rush Street Ronny should be starting, but so long as Ryan is (and my suspicion is that he won't be come May 1st) I might as well support him.

 

Also, I think Ronny's nickname is still hurting him in Lou's eyes. That said, it says something that he made the team over Cintron.

 

I think Cintron's suckage issues & Cedeno being out of options [i'm pretty sure] says more than anything else.. Having said that, I'd still rather Cedeno be given an extended shot at SS than watching Theriot do what we all pretty much know he will do.....suck

[SABR Gamer]

It's beyond me how people insist that Ryan Theriot is better than Cedeno at baseball.

 

I'm just guessing but it's probably because Ryan Theriot has outperformed Ronny Cedeno at the major league level. Just a guess...

 

If Theriot is just short of terrible, that makes Cedeno what - far short of terrible then? This is not a difficult argument. Ryan Theriot is a below average baseball player - we all know that. However, he is the best shortstop the Cubs have and better than Cedeno.

 

No, Ronny Cedeno is a much better baseball player than Ryan Theriot.

[WilcoFan]

So a poster dares to post an opinion that he likes Ryan Theriot and he's told to go to hell and its implied that he's a racist. Way to attack the poster and not the post.

 

 

 

You stay classy, guys.

 

 

Look-I don't think that Theriot is any good, but the behavior of some towards the original poster in this thread is nothing short of shameful.

Edited April 3, 2008 by WilcoFan

[bring stone back]

It's beyond me how people insist that Ryan Theriot is better than Cedeno at baseball.

 

I'm just guessing but it's probably because Ryan Theriot has outperformed Ronny Cedeno at the major league level. Just a guess...

 

If Theriot is just short of terrible, that makes Cedeno what - far short of terrible then? This is not a difficult argument. Ryan Theriot is a below average baseball player - we all know that. However, he is the best shortstop the Cubs have and better than Cedeno.

 

LOL ya, it must mean nothing that Cedeno has outperformed Theriot everywhere else, and at a younger age.

 

Theriot obviously just has what it takes to succeed at the major league level, while Ronny doesn't. Damn all those crazy minor league numbers that say Ronny is far better at baseball. It's a different game in the minors. They're not playing baseball. Or something.

 

You're right, Cedeno has outperformed Theriot in the minor leagues. Unfortunately, the Chicago Cubs play in the major leagues where Cedeno has fell flat on his face. Ryan Theriot has outperformed him in the major leagues - that is a fact and why he's playing over Cedeno. For a board so obsessed with numbers it's comical how some keep overlooking those like they don't exist.

 

I would love to see Ronny hit and play like he did in the minors - the problem is he has not shown that at the major league level and has not shown any signs that will come soon. Theriot has at least had some success in the major leagues - Cedeno can't even claim that.

 

Why do some receivers coming out of college football put up big numbers, get awards, get drafted high while having all the measurables but just don't succeed and are sometimes outperformed by undrafted free agents? I don't know why but I do know it happens.

[bring stone back]

It's beyond me how people insist that Ryan Theriot is better than Cedeno at baseball.

 

I'm just guessing but it's probably because Ryan Theriot has outperformed Ronny Cedeno at the major league level. Just a guess...

 

If Theriot is just short of terrible, that makes Cedeno what - far short of terrible then? This is not a difficult argument. Ryan Theriot is a below average baseball player - we all know that. However, he is the best shortstop the Cubs have and better than Cedeno.

 

No, Ronny Cedeno is a much better baseball player than Ryan Theriot.

 

The numbers and past history suggests otherwise.

[javy knows my name]

It's beyond me how people insist that Ryan Theriot is better than Cedeno at baseball.

 

I'm just guessing but it's probably because Ryan Theriot has outperformed Ronny Cedeno at the major league level. Just a guess...

 

If Theriot is just short of terrible, that makes Cedeno what - far short of terrible then? This is not a difficult argument. Ryan Theriot is a below average baseball player - we all know that. However, he is the best shortstop the Cubs have and better than Cedeno.

 

LOL ya, it must mean nothing that Cedeno has outperformed Theriot everywhere else, and at a younger age.

 

Theriot obviously just has what it takes to succeed at the major league level, while Ronny doesn't. Damn all those crazy minor league numbers that say Ronny is far better at baseball. It's a different game in the minors. They're not playing baseball. Or something.

 

You're right, Cedeno has outperformed Theriot in the minor leagues. Unfortunately, the Chicago Cubs play in the major leagues where Cedeno has fell flat on his face. Ryan Theriot has outperformed him in the major leagues - that is a fact and why he's playing over Cedeno. For a board so obsessed with numbers it's comical how some keep overlooking those like they don't exist.

 

I would love to see Ronny hit and play like he did in the minors - the problem is he has not shown that at the major league level and has not shown any signs that will come soon. Theriot has at least had some success in the major leagues - Cedeno can't even claim that.

 

Why do some receivers coming out of college football put up big numbers, get awards, get drafted high while having all the measurables but just don't succeed and are sometimes outperformed by undrafted free agents? I don't know why but I do know it happens.

Unless you can pitch as well, you are not a successful major league player if you hit like Ryan Theriot.

[bring stone back]

I don't really understand the "he's the best option we have" argument. Last I checked, teams can make trades to get other players. I think the majority of the people who want Theriot replaced would prefer we get a shortstop through a trade. Saying you support Theriot because he's (arguably) the best option we have is kind of silly to me. The Tigers didn't settle for Brandon Inge at third just because he was the best option they had.

 

I am ALL for the Cubs upgrading at shortstop and wanted Hendry to focus on doing such instead of chasing Roberts.

 

That being said, it didn't happen and Theriot is indeed our best shortstop and will continue to play. Who is Lou supposed to pencil in at shortstop, "N/A" or "we're looking for something better" and just play 8 in the field until we trade for someone else?

[bring stone back]

It's beyond me how people insist that Ryan Theriot is better than Cedeno at baseball.

 

I'm just guessing but it's probably because Ryan Theriot has outperformed Ronny Cedeno at the major league level. Just a guess...

 

If Theriot is just short of terrible, that makes Cedeno what - far short of terrible then? This is not a difficult argument. Ryan Theriot is a below average baseball player - we all know that. However, he is the best shortstop the Cubs have and better than Cedeno.

 

LOL ya, it must mean nothing that Cedeno has outperformed Theriot everywhere else, and at a younger age.

 

Theriot obviously just has what it takes to succeed at the major league level, while Ronny doesn't. Damn all those crazy minor league numbers that say Ronny is far better at baseball. It's a different game in the minors. They're not playing baseball. Or something.

 

You're right, Cedeno has outperformed Theriot in the minor leagues. Unfortunately, the Chicago Cubs play in the major leagues where Cedeno has fell flat on his face. Ryan Theriot has outperformed him in the major leagues - that is a fact and why he's playing over Cedeno. For a board so obsessed with numbers it's comical how some keep overlooking those like they don't exist.

 

I would love to see Ronny hit and play like he did in the minors - the problem is he has not shown that at the major league level and has not shown any signs that will come soon. Theriot has at least had some success in the major leagues - Cedeno can't even claim that.

 

Why do some receivers coming out of college football put up big numbers, get awards, get drafted high while having all the measurables but just don't succeed and are sometimes outperformed by undrafted free agents? I don't know why but I do know it happens.

Unless you can pitch as well, you are not a successful major league player if you hit like Ryan Theriot.

 

Instead of reading what you want to enhance your argument I suggest you read what I actually wrote. I said Theriot has at least had SOME success in the major leagues. I did not say he was a successful player - just that he has had some. Big difference.

[javy knows my name]

It's beyond me how people insist that Ryan Theriot is better than Cedeno at baseball.

 

I'm just guessing but it's probably because Ryan Theriot has outperformed Ronny Cedeno at the major league level. Just a guess...

 

If Theriot is just short of terrible, that makes Cedeno what - far short of terrible then? This is not a difficult argument. Ryan Theriot is a below average baseball player - we all know that. However, he is the best shortstop the Cubs have and better than Cedeno.

 

LOL ya, it must mean nothing that Cedeno has outperformed Theriot everywhere else, and at a younger age.

 

Theriot obviously just has what it takes to succeed at the major league level, while Ronny doesn't. Damn all those crazy minor league numbers that say Ronny is far better at baseball. It's a different game in the minors. They're not playing baseball. Or something.

 

You're right, Cedeno has outperformed Theriot in the minor leagues. Unfortunately, the Chicago Cubs play in the major leagues where Cedeno has fell flat on his face. Ryan Theriot has outperformed him in the major leagues - that is a fact and why he's playing over Cedeno. For a board so obsessed with numbers it's comical how some keep overlooking those like they don't exist.

 

I would love to see Ronny hit and play like he did in the minors - the problem is he has not shown that at the major league level and has not shown any signs that will come soon. Theriot has at least had some success in the major leagues - Cedeno can't even claim that.

 

Why do some receivers coming out of college football put up big numbers, get awards, get drafted high while having all the measurables but just don't succeed and are sometimes outperformed by undrafted free agents? I don't know why but I do know it happens.

Unless you can pitch as well, you are not a successful major league player if you hit like Ryan Theriot.

 

Instead of reading what you want to enhance your argument I suggest you read what I actually wrote. I said Theriot has at least had SOME success in the major leagues. I did not say he was a successful player - just that he has had some. Big difference.

I saw what you wrote. It's just that I don't call hitting out of your mind for four weeks and still finishing the season with terrible numbers SOME success. I saw Ronny Cedeno hit a double once in a major league uniform. I guess he's had SOME success, too.

[Guest]

I'm really disappointed with the behavior in this thread.

 

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I completely agree with the original post -- I really appreciate Theriot as a ballplayer. I like him quite a bit. I'm glad he's on the roster.

 

That said...

 

I'd demote him, bring up EPatt, move DeRosa to SS and put EPatt at 2B and leadoff.

[MikeyLikesCubbies]

Wow...I really wish I hadn't even read this thread, but now I'm kind of pissed. I'm gonna agree with the original poster, and a few others that Theriot is our best option at SS, and as a fan, I appreciate how hard he works. That must make me a racist...except that I would have said the same thing about Jaque Jones last year, and even about Juan Pierre. The fact that people felt the need to throw race in there is really offensive, and even though people seem to hate Theriot on this board, Cedeno has yet to show anything more at the major league level, even after many opportunities.

[Sammy Sofa]

I'm really disappointed/pissed at/offended by Ryan Theriot.

[CubbieBum]

White Theriot = gritty, hard-working

 

Latino Neifi = lazy, makes stupid mistakes

 

You of all people on this board should not be making something I say into a racial argument.

 

And I know for a fact from your wishing bad things on him last year that you don't like Neifi one bit.

 

Que?

 

He's my roommate and I would hope by now he knows I'm not a racist. I would think he was joking but even joking on that topic I don't like. Also a large majority of you guys wouldn't know he's joking.

[VanceJergins]

White Theriot = gritty, hard-working

 

Latino Neifi = lazy, makes stupid mistakes

 

You of all people on this board should not be making something I say into a racial argument.

 

And I know for a fact from your wishing bad things on him last year that you don't like Neifi one bit.

 

Que?

 

He's my roommate and I would hope by now he knows I'm not a racist. I would think he was joking but even joking on that topic I don't like. Also a large majority of you guys wouldn't know he's joking.

 

Gotcha...I thought you meant "you of all people" saying he was a racist, and I was all "say what?"...Carry on.

[WarningtrackPower]

Theriot = CPatt = Dusty = LaTroy = Neifi = Macias = Bartman = Bruce Froemming = Pierre = Jock = Designated Cubs Scapegoat

 

Someone should start a thread about lazy, homer-watching, pop-up avoiding, first-base dogging, Mr Aramis Ramirez, but I won't hold my breath...

[javy knows my name]

Theriot = CPatt = Dusty = LaTroy = Neifi = Macias = Bartman = Bruce Froemming = Pierre = Jock = Designated Cubs Scapegoat

 

Someone should start a thread about lazy, homer-watching, pop-up avoiding, first-base dogging, Mr Aramis Ramirez, but I won't hold my breath...

There are actually whole articles about that. And they're stupid too.

[17 Seconds]

Theriot = CPatt = Dusty = LaTroy = Neifi = Macias = Bartman = Bruce Froemming = Pierre = Jock = Designated Cubs Scapegoat

 

Someone should start a thread about lazy, homer-watching, pop-up avoiding, first-base dogging, Mr Aramis Ramirez, but I won't hold my breath...

 

Ramirez wins games.