Lou's Learning? Fukudome to bat 2nd

[anabiono]

nice stereotyping, theriot.

 

And if it means Theriot loses his No. 2 spot to Fukudome?

 

''I'm not karate-fighting him, that's for sure,'' he said. ''I could care less where I hit.''

 

wow.

 

I'm willing to give Theriot the benefit of the doubt on this one that Kosuke has already told him that's one of his interests. That's the impression I get from the story anyway.

 

yeah, exactly...they are teammates you guys...probably an inside joke

[abuck1220]

always making excuses for the adorable little white guy.

[Derwood]

that was a 0% racist statement. some of you need to get the sand out of your...

[seanimal]

saying you're not going to "karate-fight" the teammate from Japan isn't at least problematic, whether they're teammates or not?

[Derwood]

maybe if he said it in an offensive chinese accent or something

[abuck1220]

i heard he was making his eyes slanty when he said it.

 

seriously though, i don't know how you can say he's not stereotyping (unless there's some kind of inside joke going on where fukudome wears a karate gei to the ballpark each day).

[anabiono]

i heard he was making his eyes slanty when he said it.

 

seriously though, i don't know how you can say he's not stereotyping (unless there's some kind of inside joke going on where fukudome wears a karate gei to the ballpark each day).

 

since they are teammates, and we aren't, there is no way to know

[seanimal]

i heard he was making his eyes slanty when he said it.

 

seriously though, i don't know how you can say he's not stereotyping (unless there's some kind of inside joke going on where fukudome wears a karate gei to the ballpark each day).

 

since they are teammates, and we aren't, there is no way to know

 

he wasn't saying it to his teammates, he was saying it to the media, who then print/show it. but good thing asians can only read numbers right?

[anabiono]

i heard he was making his eyes slanty when he said it.

 

seriously though, i don't know how you can say he's not stereotyping (unless there's some kind of inside joke going on where fukudome wears a karate gei to the ballpark each day).

 

since they are teammates, and we aren't, there is no way to know

 

he wasn't saying it to his teammates, he was saying it to the media, who then print/show it. but good thing asians can only read numbers right?

 

 

wow, i think this whole situation is being taken a little bit too seriously

[seanimal]

the second part was inflammatory, the first part was serious.

 

it's only an inside joke when it stays inside. you start saying crap like that in the media, well, that's different.

[TruffleShuffle]

wow, i think this whole situation is being taken a little bit too seriously

 

welcome to america circa 2008

[ConstableRabbit]

i heard he was making his eyes slanty when he said it.

 

seriously though, i don't know how you can say he's not stereotyping (unless there's some kind of inside joke going on where fukudome wears a karate gei to the ballpark each day).

 

since they are teammates, and we aren't, there is no way to know

 

he wasn't saying it to his teammates, he was saying it to the media, who then print/show it. but good thing asians can only read numbers right?

 

 

wow, i think this whole situation is being taken a little bit too seriously

Seconded

[seanimal]

Commenting about it on a message board is 'taking it too seriously'? By that logic, you are taking what abuck and I have said too seriously.

 

A white guy from Louisiana used the words 'karate-fight' in reference to his Japanese teammate. To a reporter (sort of reporter). If you don't think that's problematic or at least slightly stereotypical/racist, then you're probably the type of prick who would say that sort of thing and think its OK. But don't worry, it's not like white people in America have a history of projecting vitriolic garbage at Japanese people or locking them in cages or anything.

[CUBZ99]

Commenting about it on a message board is 'taking it too seriously'? By that logic, you are taking what abuck and I have said too seriously.

 

A white guy from Louisiana used the words 'karate-fight' in reference to his Japanese teammate. To a reporter (sort of reporter). If you don't think that's problematic or at least slightly stereotypical/racist, then you're probably the type of prick who would say that sort of thing and think its OK. But don't worry, it's not like white people in America have a history of projecting vitriolic garbage at Japanese people or locking them in cages or anything.

 

Talk about overreacting.

 

Just for kicks, are you implying in your comment that if a non-white guy made the same statement it would be okay with you? My guess is that if a more popular player had made this comment we would all joking about how funny it was. Also, we don't have a clue as to whether Fukudome knows karate or not. If he does know Karate or has goofed around with it or if teammates are aware that he knows Karate, Theriot's statement is perfectly legitimate.

 

People need to loosen up a bit.

[RynoRules]

I am not sure if Theriot was being insensitive or not - maybe it was a joke that he and Fukudome share. But by saying it aloud in public he left it open to interpretation. That was dumb of him.

[abuck1220]

wow, i think this whole situation is being taken a little bit too seriously

 

welcome to america circa 2008

 

yeah, not having the freedom to assume all asians know karate is going to be the downfall of this great nation.

[TruffleShuffle]

wow, i think this whole situation is being taken a little bit too seriously

 

welcome to america circa 2008

 

yeah, not having the freedom to assume all asians know karate is going to be the downfall of this great nation.

 

:roll:

 

had to be done.

[seanimal]

Commenting about it on a message board is 'taking it too seriously'? By that logic, you are taking what abuck and I have said too seriously.

 

A white guy from Louisiana used the words 'karate-fight' in reference to his Japanese teammate. To a reporter (sort of reporter). If you don't think that's problematic or at least slightly stereotypical/racist, then you're probably the type of prick who would say that sort of thing and think its OK. But don't worry, it's not like white people in America have a history of projecting vitriolic garbage at Japanese people or locking them in cages or anything.

 

Talk about overreacting.

 

Just for kicks, are you implying in your comment that if a non-white guy made the same statement it would be okay with you? My guess is that if a more popular player had made this comment we would all joking about how funny it was. Also, we don't have a clue as to whether Fukudome knows karate or not. If he does know Karate or has goofed around with it or if teammates are aware that he knows Karate, Theriot's statement is perfectly legitimate.

 

People need to loosen up a bit.

 

It's a stupid thing to say no matter who says it.

[Guest]

the second part was inflammatory, the first part was serious.

 

it's only an inside joke when it stays inside. you start saying crap like that in the media, well, that's different.

 

Yes. Because people have never made jokes about teammates to the media.

 

This whole thing is being blown way, WAY out of proportion.

[Derwood]

i heard Theriot then invited him out for Sushi. OH THE HUMANITY

[KingCubsFan]

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[justlikethecubs]

We have no idea if this was all that was said either. Theriot may have went on to explain, may not. The reporter or whoever he is may not have quoted everything that was said during the conversation. For all we know they may have discussed Fukudome knowing karate prior to that.

[Lefty]

I'll never understand how the 2 hole got such a low status in the minds of old school managers. 2 and 8 hitters are interchangeable to people like Lou. Dusty had Neifi and Cesar Izturis batting 2nd.

 

I think it started with Tommy Herr and the 80s Cards teams.

 

I believe Herr batted third on those teams.

[fromthestretch]

I'll never understand how the 2 hole got such a low status in the minds of old school managers. 2 and 8 hitters are interchangeable to people like Lou. Dusty had Neifi and Cesar Izturis batting 2nd.

 

I think it started with Tommy Herr and the 80s Cards teams.

 

I believe Herr batted third on those teams.

 

He spent a lot of time in the first and second spots in the order prior to '85. Starting in 1985, he was primarily used as the #3 hitter.

[JGalt73]

I think the reduced PA by lower order hitters is the key here.

 

David Pinto at Sportingnews.com[/url]"]Lineup position PA

1 : 765

2 : 746

3 : 729

4 : 713

5 : 697

6 : 679

7 : 661

8 : 642

9 : 623

 

Every successive lineup slot loses, on average, 17.5 plate appearances.

 

So Theriot/SS moving from 2nd to 7th 'saves' ~80 PA over a season from a terrible hitter. I think it's also handy to know the 17PA/slot difference.