National Signing Day Thread

[TruffleShuffle]

so who the hell is going to play qb for michigan next year? terrelle pryor is the wrong answer; he's going to either to$u or, if he goes with where his dad wants him to go, psu.

 

Since 2005, Michigan has recruited 3 QB...Ryan Mallet, David Cone, and Jason Forcier. That can't be good. And what's worse it seems like they put all of their eggs in their basket for Terrelle Pryor, who may not even got to Michigan. There is not a distinguishable QB on Michigan's roster (unless someone familiar with Michigan football can fillme in), so they better hope they land Pryor, or they are looking at a LONG...Notre Dame type season.

 

BTB, even if they land Pryor, I believe Pryor will end at either DE or TE/WR before he leaves college. He just doens't look naturally as a QB.

 

My guess.....David Cone????

 

it's not that pryor may not go to michigan - it's very likely that he's not going. it's been reported by multiple sources that pryor was going to commit to ohio state on LOI day, but his dad talked to him the night before that and asked him to take an official visit to penn state. so he's going to take officials to psu and oregon now. but ohio state is still the favorite. apparently his dad had some sort of work-related injury and is in a wheelchair or something... i heard this discussed on the radio. it'd be hard for his dad to travel to columbus to see him play, so that's why his dad wants him to come to psu. but apparently the son likes the columbus area better than happy valley and also was spending a lot of his time at the all-american game with ohio state commits. plus they pay better. so that's still the odds on favorite. but the way i hear it now is that michigan (and i suppose oregon as well) are big long-shots.

 

apparently they have a kid who transferred from georgia tech, and he was somewhat highly-regarded coming out of high school, but even if he turns out to be a player, he's going to struggle a lot at first. and, michigan does not have anybody who can run the spread option. the ga tech transfer and david cone are both pocket passers. the only real running quarterback is a guy they just signed from florida, and he wasn't that highly-regarded as a qb prospect. for him to come in and start immediately would be a huge stretch.

[E.J.]

so who the hell is going to play qb for michigan next year? terrelle pryor is the wrong answer; he's going to either to$u or, if he goes with where his dad wants him to go, psu.

 

Since 2005, Michigan has recruited 3 QB...Ryan Mallet, David Cone, and Jason Forcier. That can't be good. And what's worse it seems like they put all of their eggs in their basket for Terrelle Pryor, who may not even got to Michigan. There is not a distinguishable QB on Michigan's roster (unless someone familiar with Michigan football can fillme in), so they better hope they land Pryor, or they are looking at a LONG...Notre Dame type season.

 

BTB, even if they land Pryor, I believe Pryor will end at either DE or TE/WR before he leaves college. He just doens't look naturally as a QB.

 

My guess.....David Cone????

 

it's not that pryor may not go to michigan - it's very likely that he's not going. it's been reported by multiple sources that pryor was going to commit to ohio state on LOI day, but his dad talked to him the night before that and asked him to take an official visit to penn state. so he's going to take officials to psu and oregon now. but ohio state is still the favorite. apparently his dad had some sort of work-related injury and is in a wheelchair or something... i heard this discussed on the radio. it'd be hard for his dad to travel to columbus to see him play, so that's why his dad wants him to come to psu. but apparently the son likes the columbus area better than happy valley and also was spending a lot of his time at the all-american game with ohio state commits. plus they pay better. so that's still the odds on favorite. but the way i hear it now is that michigan (and i suppose oregon as well) are big long-shots.

 

apparently they have a kid who transferred from georgia tech, and he was somewhat highly-regarded coming out of high school, but even if he turns out to be a player, he's going to struggle a lot at first. and, michigan does not have anybody who can run the spread option. the ga tech transfer and david cone are both pocket passers. the only real running quarterback is a guy they just signed from florida, and he wasn't that highly-regarded as a qb prospect. for him to come in and start immediately would be a huge stretch.

 

Steven Threet is the QB that transfered from Georgia Tech. He was pretty highly regarded coming out of high school, and was doing very well in practice ball according to the rivals and scout forums. He'll probably be the first option for next year. Michigan also recruited a guy out of Florida named Justin Feagin who's the dual-threat type QB who might also get a look. We'll probably be seeing some sort of dual QB system next season with what we have at QB. I'm not expecting much from Michigan this coming year. It's going to be a tough year with the transition. They'll probably lose 3-4 games next season.

[rawaction]

Terrell Pryor isn't changing positions ever. He's the #1 player in the world as a QB. He will either be an NFL QB or be a bust at QB on the college level. He will not be a DE or WR.

[E.J.]

Pryor Removes Michigan from Short List. Down to PSU and OSU.

 

The nation's number one recruit, quarterback Terrelle Pryor, has removed Michigan and Oregon from his short list. That leaves only Ohio State and Penn State.

 

Four days ago he said that he would make his decision known at 12:05 on Tender Day , Wednesday the 6th. He did not.

 

He has now ruled out Michigan and Oregon. The decision would be bad for anybody, but it is particularly bad for the Wolverines, who don't have a suitable quarterback available for next season.

[Magnetic Curses]

Terrell Pryor isn't changing positions ever. He's the #1 player in the world as a QB. He will either be an NFL QB or be a bust at QB on the college level. He will not be a DE or WR.

 

he's going to go wherever he wants and he's going to play wherever he wants and whoever gets him is going to love him.

[Guest]

Terrell Pryor isn't changing positions ever. He's the #1 player in the world as a QB. He will either be an NFL QB or be a bust at QB on the college level. He will not be a DE or WR.

 

Exactly. It's ridiculous to say otherwise, especially from watching about 10 minutes of clips on him playing in HS.

[Derwood]

while i'd be thrilled if Penn State got him, I cringe at the knowledge that he would be buried 4 deep in the depth chart because JoePa NEVER plays underclassmen over upperclassmen. EVER

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while i'd be thrilled if Penn State got him, I cringe at the knowledge that he would be buried 4 deep in the depth chart because JoePa NEVER plays underclassmen over upperclassmen. EVER

 

Which is exactly why I want him at PSU. That and I hate OSU more than any other Big Ten school that doesn't have a Wolverine for a mascot.

 

Really, I just think that if he's really that good, he could make a huge difference at OSU. I just don't think PSU, even with Pryor, is going to be a contender in the next 4 years. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Derwood]

while i'd be thrilled if Penn State got him, I cringe at the knowledge that he would be buried 4 deep in the depth chart because JoePa NEVER plays underclassmen over upperclassmen. EVER

 

Which is exactly why I want him at PSU. That and I hate OSU more than any other Big Ten school that doesn't have a Wolverine for a mascot.

 

Really, I just think that if he's really that good, he could make a huge difference at OSU. I just don't think PSU, even with Pryor, is going to be a contender in the next 4 years. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

good point. i'll take him sitting on the bench at PSU if it keeps him off the field for OSU

[imb]

Terrell Pryor isn't changing positions ever. He's the #1 player in the world as a QB. He will either be an NFL QB or be a bust at QB on the college level. He will not be a DE or WR.

 

Seriously. Did anyone ever see Vince Young? Ugliest QB in major college history, but also one of the five best college players of all time. Pryor is going to be a QB.

[TruffleShuffle]

while i'd be thrilled if Penn State got him, I cringe at the knowledge that he would be buried 4 deep in the depth chart because JoePa NEVER plays underclassmen over upperclassmen. EVER

 

Which is exactly why I want him at PSU. That and I hate OSU more than any other Big Ten school that doesn't have a Wolverine for a mascot.

 

Really, I just think that if he's really that good, he could make a huge difference at OSU. I just don't think PSU, even with Pryor, is going to be a contender in the next 4 years. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

O$U is the favorite to win the big ten the next 2-3 years with or without pryor. i guess maybe he can make a big difference as far as whether they play for the national championship, but they have the best players right now and the best recruiting class this year as well as last year, so they should be the best team in the league.

[stuy119]

Terrell Pryor isn't changing positions ever. He's the #1 player in the world as a QB. He will either be an NFL QB or be a bust at QB on the college level. He will not be a DE or WR.

 

Seriously. Did anyone ever see Vince Young? Ugliest QB in major college history, but also one of the five best college players of all time. Pryor is going to be a QB.

 

No, he wasn't one of the 5 best.

[Outshined_One]

Terrell Pryor isn't changing positions ever. He's the #1 player in the world as a QB. He will either be an NFL QB or be a bust at QB on the college level. He will not be a DE or WR.

 

Seriously. Did anyone ever see Vince Young? Ugliest QB in major college history, but also one of the five best college players of all time. Pryor is going to be a QB.

 

No, he wasn't one of the 5 best.

 

I can see a case for one of the five best QBs of all time. But even that's stretching it.

[TruffleShuffle]

i'd say that barry sanders, herschel walker, red grange, bo jackson, tony dorsett, jim thorpe, earl campbell, roger staubach, dick butkus and charles woodson were better than vince young. and that's just off the top of my head

[hawkcub]

so who the hell is going to play qb for michigan next year? terrelle pryor is the wrong answer; he's going to either to$u or, if he goes with where his dad wants him to go, psu.

 

Since 2005, Michigan has recruited 3 QB...Ryan Mallet, David Cone, and Jason Forcier. That can't be good. And what's worse it seems like they put all of their eggs in their basket for Terrelle Pryor, who may not even got to Michigan. There is not a distinguishable QB on Michigan's roster (unless someone familiar with Michigan football can fillme in), so they better hope they land Pryor, or they are looking at a LONG...Notre Dame type season.

 

BTB, even if they land Pryor, I believe Pryor will end at either DE or TE/WR before he leaves college. He just doens't look naturally as a QB.

 

My guess.....David Cone????

 

it's not that pryor may not go to michigan - it's very likely that he's not going. it's been reported by multiple sources that pryor was going to commit to ohio state on LOI day, but his dad talked to him the night before that and asked him to take an official visit to penn state. so he's going to take officials to psu and oregon now. but ohio state is still the favorite. apparently his dad had some sort of work-related injury and is in a wheelchair or something... i heard this discussed on the radio. it'd be hard for his dad to travel to columbus to see him play, so that's why his dad wants him to come to psu. but apparently the son likes the columbus area better than happy valley and also was spending a lot of his time at the all-american game with ohio state commits. plus they pay better. so that's still the odds on favorite. but the way i hear it now is that michigan (and i suppose oregon as well) are big long-shots.

 

apparently they have a kid who transferred from georgia tech, and he was somewhat highly-regarded coming out of high school, but even if he turns out to be a player, he's going to struggle a lot at first. and, michigan does not have anybody who can run the spread option. the ga tech transfer and david cone are both pocket passers. the only real running quarterback is a guy they just signed from florida, and he wasn't that highly-regarded as a qb prospect. for him to come in and start immediately would be a huge stretch.

 

Steven Threet is the QB that transfered from Georgia Tech. He was pretty highly regarded coming out of high school, and was doing very well in practice ball according to the rivals and scout forums. He'll probably be the first option for next year. Michigan also recruited a guy out of Florida named Justin Feagin who's the dual-threat type QB who might also get a look. We'll probably be seeing some sort of dual QB system next season with what we have at QB. I'm not expecting much from Michigan this coming year. It's going to be a tough year with the transition. They'll probably lose 3-4 games next season.

 

And this is why I hate UM losing 3 games is a bad season. Losing 3 games they are probably in the Outback maybe the Capital one bowl. Not to shabby for a bad year. :banghead:

[TruffleShuffle]

And this is why I hate UM losing 3 games is a bad season. Losing 3 games they are probably in the Outback maybe the Capital one bowl. Not to shabby for a bad year. :banghead:

 

michigan lost 4 games this year. they're losing their QB, RB, best OL and two best WR. losing 3 or 4 games would be pretty miraculous. if they do lose that few, it'll probably be b/c of a soft schedule more than anything else.

[RedFlash]

Terrell Pryor isn't changing positions ever. He's the #1 player in the world as a QB. He will either be an NFL QB or be a bust at QB on the college level. He will not be a DE or WR.

 

Seriously. Did anyone ever see Vince Young? Ugliest QB in major college history, but also one of the five best college players of all time. Pryor is going to be a QB.

 

THAT is a laughable statement.

 

There is no way Vince Young is considered "one of the five best college players of all time." Myabe since 2000, but all time.

 

Terrelle Pryor may play QB, but he will NOT be any good at it, and he won't have the hype of playing in a NT game like Vince Young had. And just because VY was barely a college/NFL QB (he's like Vick, he's a different position player dressed up like a QB, Vick was a RB, and VY is WR), doesn't mean PSU/OSU/Michigan should fall in that trap.

 

Nick Saban (for point of preference, leave personal opinion about him, for a different thread, for a different day) stop recruiting him, once he had a SUPERIOR QB in Star Jackson in hand.

I'm not saying Jackson is a better player, well...nm, yes I am. What gives Pryor the advantage, UNTIL COLLEGE KICKS IN....is that Pryor is a better athlete then Jackson (who is not Bryon Leftwich type athlete by any means), but Star is going to be just that....a STAR QB in college.

 

It's just my opinion, I just think Pryor has higher upside as either a TE or DE. I just see no upside to him as a QB. I just believe his athlethicism is better suited for DE/TE, and he would make a LOT more money, because as a QB, he's likely a 3rd rd caliber player as a QB.

[Wolverineman]

I'm not that worried about the QB situation. Pryor or no Pryor(even though he's "down to tOSU/PSU", things have gone crazy enough in his recruiting I wouldn't be surprised if he changes his mind again), I think we'll be fine. There are a TON of weapons for whoever does win the QB job to use. That, combined with running a new offense that the Big Ten won't be as used to and our defense, makes me think the season won't be 7-5/6-6 bad like some people are predicting.

 

We didn't lose that much on a defense that was rapidly improving last season. New strength coach Mike Barwis should help a lot over this spring/summer getting the guys in better shape. Despite the lack of depth on the defensive line, I think we can rely a lot more on the D to win games while the extremely young offense figures things out.

 

The only tough games early on are both at home(Wisconsin, Illinois). Three pretty easy games before that to get into the groove, I think we can win 1 of those 2 home games, maybe even both. I figure we'll lose at Penn State, and a loss @ Purdue wouldn't surprise me. The rest we should win until the tOSU game, so at absolute worst 7-4 going into the game, more than likely 8-3 or 9-2. That game is always a toss up, even if we're unranked and 7-4 and they're #1 and undefeated. Should be a fun season, I can't wait for it to start. Low expectations are nice.

[TruffleShuffle]

Terrelle Pryor may play QB, but he will NOT be any good at it

 

might want to call every college coach in america and let them know that.

[Tracer Bullet]

So, ND fans, whats the over/under of when Crist will beat out Clausen? I'd say late this upcoming season.

 

Barring severe injury to Clausen and contention for a BCS game (unlikely), Crist won't see the field this year.

[imb]

Terrell Pryor isn't changing positions ever. He's the #1 player in the world as a QB. He will either be an NFL QB or be a bust at QB on the college level. He will not be a DE or WR.

 

Seriously. Did anyone ever see Vince Young? Ugliest QB in major college history, but also one of the five best college players of all time. Pryor is going to be a QB.

 

THAT is a laughable statement.

 

There is no way Vince Young is considered "one of the five best college players of all time." Myabe since 2000, but all time.

 

Terrelle Pryor may play QB, but he will NOT be any good at it, and he won't have the hype of playing in a NT game like Vince Young had. And just because VY was barely a college/NFL QB (he's like Vick, he's a different position player dressed up like a QB, Vick was a RB, and VY is WR), doesn't mean PSU/OSU/Michigan should fall in that trap.

 

Nick Saban (for point of preference, leave personal opinion about him, for a different thread, for a different day) stop recruiting him, once he had a SUPERIOR QB in Star Jackson in hand.

I'm not saying Jackson is a better player, well...nm, yes I am. What gives Pryor the advantage, UNTIL COLLEGE KICKS IN....is that Pryor is a better athlete then Jackson (who is not Bryon Leftwich type athlete by any means), but Star is going to be just that....a STAR QB in college.

 

It's just my opinion, I just think Pryor has higher upside as either a TE or DE. I just see no upside to him as a QB. I just believe his athlethicism is better suited for DE/TE, and he would make a LOT more money, because as a QB, he's likely a 3rd rd caliber player as a QB.

 

There is no way someone who is 6'5 230 and can run a 4.5 has higher upside as a TE or DE than a QB unless he physically cannot make a throwing motion with either arm. You just don't influence enough plays at those positions.

 

i'd say that barry sanders, herschel walker, red grange, bo jackson, tony dorsett, jim thorpe, earl campbell, roger staubach, dick butkus and charles woodson were better than vince young. and that's just off the top of my head

 

Charles Woodson? Lol.

 

I can see him being outside of the top 5 if you're going by career contributions, so I was wrong there. But I'd still put his final season up against anyone's. That's what I should have said.

[E.J.]

And this is why I hate UM losing 3 games is a bad season. Losing 3 games they are probably in the Outback maybe the Capital one bowl. Not to shabby for a bad year. :banghead:

 

michigan lost 4 games this year. they're losing their QB, RB, best OL and two best WR. losing 3 or 4 games would be pretty miraculous. if they do lose that few, it'll probably be b/c of a soft schedule more than anything else.

 

That's exactly why I think they have a good chance at only losing 3-4. Their schedule this year is pretty easy.

[stuy119]

i'd say that barry sanders, herschel walker, red grange, bo jackson, tony dorsett, jim thorpe, earl campbell, roger staubach, dick butkus and charles woodson were better than vince young. and that's just off the top of my head

 

Charles Woodson? Lol.

 

I can see him being outside of the top 5 if you're going by career contributions, so I was wrong there. But I'd still put his final season up against anyone's. That's what I should have said.

 

I won't even go so far as to say his final season was one of the Top 5. In fact, I would say that his final season wasn't even the best at UT - I would rate Ricky William's final season ahead of him.

 

I have a feeling that you are falling into the trap of remembering the Rose Bowl as how his final year played out, when that wasn't the case.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Vince Young comparisons aside, Terrell Pryor will play QB and in all liklihood be a damn good one. He's going to end up at a school where he will have good players around him. He has the size and athletic ability to make plays.

 

To suggest that an athlete with his skills move around to another position is simply ludicrous. I guess the only way it makes sense to move Pryor from QB is if the team recruited two players for the same position. However, my guess is Pryor isn't going to chose to play anywhere he isn't promised to play QB. He has that kind of leverage.

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Vince Young comparisons aside, Terrell Pryor will play QB and in all liklihood be a damn good one. He's going to end up at a school where he will have good players around him. He has the size and athletic ability to make plays.

 

To suggest that an athlete with his skills move around to another position is simply ludicrous. I guess the only way it makes sense to move Pryor from QB is if the team recruited two players for the same position. However, my guess is Pryor isn't going to chose to play anywhere he isn't promised to play QB. He has that kind of leverage.

 

I wholeheartedly agree with you. But promises in recruiting have a way of becoming lies during a players 3-4 years in school. If Pryor is as good as advertised, or even half that good, there's still little chance he ends up anywhere but QB. I'm just pointing out that a promise from a CFB coach in recruiting is of very little value.