Re: Do we need to acquire a new SS?

[Backtobanks]

We need to keep Theriot as long as possible. Just for my ability to make fun of my friend who dropped his first major league HR with a glove Will Ohman said during BP was the biggest glove he ever saw in his life.

 

As long as you have a good, rational reason not to like a trade that would improve the Cubs. :lol:

[dorjecub]

No way dude, Peralta is a righty and Roberts switch-hits.

[Backtobanks]

No way dude, Peralta is a righty and Roberts switch-hits.

 

And Peralta is a SS (which we need) and Roberts is a 2B (which we don't need).

[JimSorgi]

Has Jim Hendry shown any interest in Peralta?

[SweetZombieJesus]

Did I say we need to start him?

[BigbadB]

Has Jim Hendry shown any interest in Peralta?

 

Not that I'm aware of. I'm the one who has been enamored with the idea of improving the SS situation, and a deal between these 3 teams would make a lot of sense.

 

We know Cleveland would love to get their hands on Bay.

We know Pittsburgh is willing to deal Bay.

We know Cleveland has depth in the middle infield with Barfield, Cabrera and Peralta.

We know that Pittsburgh likes cheap, young talent in return for giving up prized possessions.

We know that the Cubs have a hole at SS.

We know that the Cubs can afford Peralta, since Roberts would cost much more than Peralta.

We know the Cubs have cheap, young talent to trade.

[nilodnayr]

Has there been any talk about the Indians dealing either Peralta or Cabrera? That has always seemed like the best way to go if it's possible. I haven't seen any reports that they're looking to deal one or the other, but with the price tag on shortstops being high at the moment I figured they would be looking to make a move. I like both guys, I'd probably prefer Cabrera since he'd be cheaper and I like his upside, assuming the reports about his excellent SS defense are true. Thoughts?

 

That's what I'd like to see. Cleveland wants Jason Bay really bad and they haven't made an offer yet that Pittsburgh would be satisfied with. A 3 way deal that sends Bay to Cleveland, Peralta to the Cubs and major league ready players go to Pittsburgh would make a lot of sense, IMO.

 

Cleveland has Cabrera to step in and play SS. Cubs could use a SS. Pittsburgh wants players that will, well, I've never really understood what Pittsburgh wants, so I'll just say a package of players. :D

The thing with Cleveland is that they only want to trade prospects and spare parts for Bay (fortunately for them they are so good that their prospects and spare parts can get close to doing it). They DO NOT want to start subtracting from their team. A downgrade from Peralta to Barfield (via Cabrera moving across the bag) is not what they want to do. The only way I could see it happening is if Jack Wilson goes to the Indians to replace Peralta. Shapiro made a ton of noise about Peralta's defense last offseason and would probably be interested in an above average defensive shortstop like Wilson (Chone has him as a 1.5 wins over Peralta on defense).

 

Indians get Wilson, Bay, and Paulino

Cubs get Peralta

Pirates get Shoppach, Cliff Lee, Franky Gutierrez, Theriot, Patterson, Murton

 

Theres your realistic 10 player trade :D

[Backtobanks]

Has there been any talk about the Indians dealing either Peralta or Cabrera? That has always seemed like the best way to go if it's possible. I haven't seen any reports that they're looking to deal one or the other, but with the price tag on shortstops being high at the moment I figured they would be looking to make a move. I like both guys, I'd probably prefer Cabrera since he'd be cheaper and I like his upside, assuming the reports about his excellent SS defense are true. Thoughts?

 

That's what I'd like to see. Cleveland wants Jason Bay really bad and they haven't made an offer yet that Pittsburgh would be satisfied with. A 3 way deal that sends Bay to Cleveland, Peralta to the Cubs and major league ready players go to Pittsburgh would make a lot of sense, IMO.

 

Cleveland has Cabrera to step in and play SS. Cubs could use a SS. Pittsburgh wants players that will, well, I've never really understood what Pittsburgh wants, so I'll just say a package of players. :D

The thing with Cleveland is that they only want to trade prospects and spare parts for Bay (fortunately for them they are so good that their prospects and spare parts can get close to doing it). They DO NOT want to start subtracting from their team. A downgrade from Peralta to Barfield (via Cabrera moving across the bag) is not what they want to do. The only way I could see it happening is if Jack Wilson goes to the Indians to replace Peralta. Shapiro made a ton of noise about Peralta's defense last offseason and would probably be interested in an above average defensive shortstop like Wilson (Chone has him as a 1.5 wins over Peralta on defense).

 

Indians get Wilson, Bay, and Paulino

Cubs get Peralta

Pirates get Shoppach, Cliff Lee, Franky Gutierrez, Theriot, Patterson, Murton

 

Theres your realistic 10 player trade :D

 

It's okay by me, but as I said before it would be nice if somehow the Cubs could squeeze out Jason Michaels or Damaso Marte in the deal.

[wrigley23]

we need a leadoff hitter & roberts is one of the best. fill in the blank plus roberts is far better than derosa/theriot.

[nilodnayr]

Has there been any talk about the Indians dealing either Peralta or Cabrera? That has always seemed like the best way to go if it's possible. I haven't seen any reports that they're looking to deal one or the other, but with the price tag on shortstops being high at the moment I figured they would be looking to make a move. I like both guys, I'd probably prefer Cabrera since he'd be cheaper and I like his upside, assuming the reports about his excellent SS defense are true. Thoughts?

 

That's what I'd like to see. Cleveland wants Jason Bay really bad and they haven't made an offer yet that Pittsburgh would be satisfied with. A 3 way deal that sends Bay to Cleveland, Peralta to the Cubs and major league ready players go to Pittsburgh would make a lot of sense, IMO.

 

Cleveland has Cabrera to step in and play SS. Cubs could use a SS. Pittsburgh wants players that will, well, I've never really understood what Pittsburgh wants, so I'll just say a package of players. :D

The thing with Cleveland is that they only want to trade prospects and spare parts for Bay (fortunately for them they are so good that their prospects and spare parts can get close to doing it). They DO NOT want to start subtracting from their team. A downgrade from Peralta to Barfield (via Cabrera moving across the bag) is not what they want to do. The only way I could see it happening is if Jack Wilson goes to the Indians to replace Peralta. Shapiro made a ton of noise about Peralta's defense last offseason and would probably be interested in an above average defensive shortstop like Wilson (Chone has him as a 1.5 wins over Peralta on defense).

 

Indians get Wilson, Bay, and Paulino

Cubs get Peralta

Pirates get Shoppach, Cliff Lee, Franky Gutierrez, Theriot, Patterson, Murton

 

Theres your realistic 10 player trade :D

 

It's okay by me, but as I said before it would be nice if somehow the Cubs could squeeze out Jason Michaels or Damaso Marte in the deal.

 

With Gutierrez going (in the proposal I made), they aren't going to give up Michaels. I'm sure you could convince the Pirates to give up Marte.

[Backtobanks]

Has there been any talk about the Indians dealing either Peralta or Cabrera? That has always seemed like the best way to go if it's possible. I haven't seen any reports that they're looking to deal one or the other, but with the price tag on shortstops being high at the moment I figured they would be looking to make a move. I like both guys, I'd probably prefer Cabrera since he'd be cheaper and I like his upside, assuming the reports about his excellent SS defense are true. Thoughts?

 

That's what I'd like to see. Cleveland wants Jason Bay really bad and they haven't made an offer yet that Pittsburgh would be satisfied with. A 3 way deal that sends Bay to Cleveland, Peralta to the Cubs and major league ready players go to Pittsburgh would make a lot of sense, IMO.

 

Cleveland has Cabrera to step in and play SS. Cubs could use a SS. Pittsburgh wants players that will, well, I've never really understood what Pittsburgh wants, so I'll just say a package of players. :D

The thing with Cleveland is that they only want to trade prospects and spare parts for Bay (fortunately for them they are so good that their prospects and spare parts can get close to doing it). They DO NOT want to start subtracting from their team. A downgrade from Peralta to Barfield (via Cabrera moving across the bag) is not what they want to do. The only way I could see it happening is if Jack Wilson goes to the Indians to replace Peralta. Shapiro made a ton of noise about Peralta's defense last offseason and would probably be interested in an above average defensive shortstop like Wilson (Chone has him as a 1.5 wins over Peralta on defense).

 

Indians get Wilson, Bay, and Paulino

Cubs get Peralta

Pirates get Shoppach, Cliff Lee, Franky Gutierrez, Theriot, Patterson, Murton

 

Theres your realistic 10 player trade :D

 

It's okay by me, but as I said before it would be nice if somehow the Cubs could squeeze out Jason Michaels or Damaso Marte in the deal.

 

With Gutierrez going (in the proposal I made), they aren't going to give up Michaels. I'm sure you could convince the Pirates to give up Marte.

 

I realize they probably wouldn't give up Michaels in your trade scenario, but trading Murton leaves the Cubs a little thin in OF depth and RH pinch hitters.

[Derwood]

should've landed A-Rod when the fire was hot

[Backtobanks]

should've landed A-Rod when the fire was hot

 

He's not a lefty, so we don't want him.

[inari]

we need a leadoff hitter & roberts is one of the best. fill in the blank plus roberts is far better than derosa/theriot.

 

I would love to hear this backed up.

[Sammy Sofa]

should've landed A-Rod when the fire was hot

 

To me, it's always going to be supremely frustrating if Cuban does end up with the team and he and ARod basically passed like ships in the night by ultimately a matter of months. I have little doubt that if he had control during this offseason that the combo of him and Lou would have had ARod here in no time.

[cybercub]

From everything I've read, it sounds as though the Reds are working to aquire Erik Bedard from Baltimore. It also seems the Cubs are intent on trading for Brian Roberts.

 

Why not try to work a 3 way with the Reds and the Orioles that nets us Keppinger & Roberts.

 

Any thoughts?

[SweetZombieJesus]

again Keppinger? Why is Keppinger a improvement over theriot?

 

There's a reason he's been let go by three teams in 3 years and two of them was using Angel ******* Berroa and Alex Gonzales at SS. I'd rather overpay and you know get someone good.

[Backtobanks]

From everything I've read, it sounds as though the Reds are working to aquire Erik Bedard from Baltimore. It also seems the Cubs are intent on trading for Brian Roberts.

 

Why not try to work a 3 way with the Reds and the Orioles that nets us Keppinger & Roberts.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Quite a while ago, I mentioned something about trying to get Keppinger and most of the responses pointed out that Keppinger isn't any more of a SS than Theriot. I thought his offensive numbers looked pretty good, but apparently his defense and range aren't up to par. Also, I imagine cooperating with a team in our division on a 3-way trade might be difficult.

[UK1679666180]

Defensively, he's very much like Theriot as far as a lack of an arm and range (maybe worse hands than Theriot but better than Cedeno).

 

Unlike Theriot, Keppinger can hit and be a productive top of the order hitter.

[A New Era]

we need a leadoff hitter & roberts is one of the best. fill in the blank plus roberts is far better than derosa/theriot.

 

I would love to hear this backed up.

 

I officially back it up.

[Backtobanks]

I'm getting bored waiting for these GMs to get back to work. I still think I would rather go for a SS than another 2B. How about a 3-way deal:

 

Padres get: Jason Bay and Jack Wilson (from Pirates)

Cubs get: Khalil Greene and Scott Hairston (from Padres)

Pirates get: Michael Barrett (from Padres), Murton, Cedeno, Gallagher, and Marshall (from Cubs).

 

With a little bit of tweaking, I think it looks pretty good.

 

I know Greene isn't a lefty and doesn't bat leadoff, but I still think it would be more efficient to use our resources to obtain a SS rather than another 2B. Getting Roberts removes DeRosa from the lineup and I still don't see how DeRosa would get 400 AB as a utility man unless there is a major injury (ARam, Fukudome, or Soriano) or he can play SS regularly.

 

Soriano

Fukudome

DLee

Aram

Greene

Soto

DeRosa

Pie

 

=D> =D> =D>

[nilodnayr]

I'm getting bored waiting for these GMs to get back to work. I still think I would rather go for a SS than another 2B. How about a 3-way deal:

 

Padres get: Jason Bay and Jack Wilson (from Pirates)

Cubs get: Khalil Greene and Scott Hairston (from Padres)

Pirates get: Michael Barrett (from Padres), Murton, Cedeno, Gallagher, and Marshall (from Cubs).

 

With a little bit of tweaking, I think it looks pretty good.

 

I know Greene isn't a lefty and doesn't bat leadoff, but I still think it would be more efficient to use our resources to obtain a SS rather than another 2B. Getting Roberts removes DeRosa from the lineup and I still don't see how DeRosa would get 400 AB as a utility man unless there is a major injury (ARam, Fukudome, or Soriano) or he can play SS regularly.

 

Soriano

Fukudome

DLee

Aram

Greene

Soto

DeRosa

Pie

 

=D> =D> =D>

 

IIRC the Bucs received a better package just for Bay from the Indians and turned it down

[BCVM22]

Padres get: Jason Bay and Jack Wilson (from Pirates)

Cubs get: Khalil Greene and Scott Hairston (from Padres)

Pirates get: Michael Barrett (from Padres), Murton, Cedeno, Gallagher, and Marshall (from Cubs).

 

I would do that deal in a heartbeat if by some miracle that package was enough.

[Rob]

IIRC the Bucs received a better package just for Bay from the Indians and turned it down

 

If memory serves, the only published offer from the Tribe was Lee, Shoppach, and Gutierrez.

[Backtobanks]

IIRC the Bucs received a better package just for Bay from the Indians and turned it down

 

If memory serves, the only published offer from the Tribe was Lee, Shoppach, and Gutierrez.

 

The offer was Lee, Shoppach, Gutierrez, and a minor league pitcher for Bay and Paulino. They don't need a lefty pitcher making $3 million (Lee) coming off a horrible year because they have 3 lefties in the rotation now. Murton's stats are much better than Gutierrez' stats. Shoppach might be a slightly better option than Barrett, but they have been after Barrett. Cedeno saves them money at SS and Gallagher gives them a young RH starter. Paulino and Marshall would be an attractive trade package for a future deal. As another poster pointed out, you're never sure what the Pirates are trying to do when they make a deal, but loading up with a starting C, a young SS, a young LF, and 2 young starters, while shedding quite a bit of payroll sounds like a good move for a low-budget, bottom-of-the-division team.