WSCR Rumor?

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm kind of amazed that so many who criticize people like Hawk Harrelson for being ridiculously close-minded turn around and act equally close-minded when anyone dares to give an opinion that cannot necessarily be quantified statistically, even if the criteria for that opinion is one that simply cannot be refuted statistically. To paraphrase myself from another thread, I think Godel's theorem works well here: the lack of empirical evidence supporting a theory does not automatically prove the theory false. People here seem to be forgetting that.

 

What's more disturbing is the level of condescension throw his way. Regardless of what you think of Cuse's initial argument, the condescending attitude from SOME regarding its validity is utterly Harrelsonian. Its almost if some are so frustrated by the fact that there is a limitation to their statistics (as there are to all statistical arguments) that they feel the need to overcompensate by acting as if the argument is so ridiculous that they just need to make fun of it.

 

I think people need to simply accept that they cannot refute his argument using statistics, and as such, the argument has as much validity as any other observation related to our position as fans (assuming, of course, the admitted level of distance we have from the players), and that acting as if ANY observed phenomenon that doesn't jive with your own preconceived notion of a player's state of mind is somehow stupid (which is clearly what is being implied by SOME posts) is really, really petty.

 

I 100% agree

 

That's not even close to what was happening. Cuse was basing his extreme dislike of Prior in part on his opinion that Prior was not mentally tough when under pressure. After proving this wrong both statistically and logically, the argument took a turn towards Kakfaesque.

 

I really love it when people try and group people into little liques like "stat-heads" and such. NSBB is a bit more complex than the old "Us v Them" thing.

 

This extreme dislike for Prior thing is ridicules. I have never said I didn't like the guy, never. It's the absurd love for the guy that's blinding too many of you.

[CuseCubFan69]

high schools pitchers have about zero in common with major league pitchers. come on.

 

So your answer is that I don't have anything to do with them becoming MLB pitchers but again, what does your statement say? Do you still say that this statement you made is true?

 

yeah. 99.9% of high school pitchers have nothing in common with MLB pitchers.

 

Where did you get these numbers?

 

Sounds optimistic to say that 1 out of 1000 high school pitchers make the majors.

 

That's a different stat. I have that they are male, pitchers and play baseball. I think that alone should count for more than nothing.

 

well, i don't. the difference between some 17 year old boy who pitches after math class and a 30 year old professional athlete is immense.

 

it doesn't matter anyway. you're entitled to your opinion. if you think your experience as a high school baseball coach gives you some kind of insight into the psyche of a professional athlete, you're entitled to think that. i'm just not buying it. and so far this insight hasn't helped you much since your theory about prior was pretty obviously proven incorrect.

 

 

First off, you gave stats that told us about how he pitched with men on base while I mentioned when he is struggling and getting runs scored off of him is when he isn't as mentally tough after this happens. A runner on first doesn't support your claim.

 

Again, you said that a HS pitcher has zero in common with a MLB pitcher, zero, I have yet to see where you got your numbers from.

[wilk]

I keep opening this thread thinking, "Nah, they had to have stopped making fools of themselves by now."

[Vanilla Ice]

I keep opening this thread thinking, "Nah, they had to have stopped making fools of themselves by now."

[XZero771679666304]

I keep opening this thread thinking, "Nah, they had to have stopped making fools of themselves by now."

 

No, this thread is a total debacle. It's actually kind of amusing.