Cubs Acquire Ascanio from ATL for Ohman and Infante

[CuseCubFan69]

So...

 

Jacque + Part of his salary + Ohman = minor league middle reliever.

 

 

That's gotta be a blow to the pride.

 

Or it makes Ascaino feel pretty good about himself!

[HoopsCubs]

So who becomes the second lefty out of the pen is Ohman is gone?

 

Conventional wisdom says Pignatello or Cotts. So, I'll say Sean Marshall.

[HoopsCubs]

At least we got rid of Infante and Ohman's contracts.

 

That's about $3M saved - which could be Mark Prior money for 2008, if he's not dealt.

[CuseCubFan69]

At least we got rid of Infante and Ohman's contracts.

 

That's about $3M saved - which could be Mark Prior money for 2008, if he's not dealt.

 

And then you pull me back in. Why waste money on this guy to rehab? Make a clean break, give him a hug and start out new. Somebody must see the potential in him to make a decent offer.

[jersey cubs fan]

At least we got rid of Infante and Ohman's contracts.

 

That's about $3M saved - which could be Mark Prior money for 2008, if he's not dealt.

 

And then you pull me back in. Why waste money on this guy to rehab? Make a clean break, give him a hug and start out new. Somebody must see the potential in him to make a decent offer.

 

Because it's not wasting money. It's investing in a real asset, regardless of your personal hatred of the man.

[Post Count Padder]

At least we got rid of Infante and Ohman's contracts.

 

That's about $3M saved - which could be Mark Prior money for 2008, if he's not dealt.

 

And then you pull me back in. Why waste money on this guy to rehab? Make a clean break, give him a hug and start out new. Somebody must see the potential in him to make a decent offer.

 

Because it's not wasting money. It's investing in a real asset, regardless of your personal hatred of the man.

There seems to be some animosity on both sides, though. Even if we want him back, does Mark Prior want to be back and does management want him back?

[CuseCubFan69]

At least we got rid of Infante and Ohman's contracts.

 

That's about $3M saved - which could be Mark Prior money for 2008, if he's not dealt.

 

And then you pull me back in. Why waste money on this guy to rehab? Make a clean break, give him a hug and start out new. Somebody must see the potential in him to make a decent offer.

 

Because it's not wasting money. It's investing in a real asset, regardless of your personal hatred of the man.

 

Just because I don't have a man crush on the guy doesn't mean I hate him. I just see him as a Miller who will waste the money time and time again. The Prior you once knew is gone and will never come back.

[David]

At least we got rid of Infante and Ohman's contracts.

 

That's about $3M saved - which could be Mark Prior money for 2008, if he's not dealt.

 

And then you pull me back in. Why waste money on this guy to rehab? Make a clean break, give him a hug and start out new. Somebody must see the potential in him to make a decent offer.

 

Because it's not wasting money. It's investing in a real asset, regardless of your personal hatred of the man.

 

 

Thank you.

[Guest]

At least we got rid of Infante and Ohman's contracts.

 

That's about $3M saved - which could be Mark Prior money for 2008, if he's not dealt.

 

And then you pull me back in. Why waste money on this guy to rehab? Make a clean break, give him a hug and start out new. Somebody must see the potential in him to make a decent offer.

 

Because it's not wasting money. It's investing in a real asset, regardless of your personal hatred of the man.

 

Just because I don't have a man crush on the guy doesn't mean I hate him. I just see him as a Miller who will waste the money time and time again. The Prior you once knew is gone and will never come back.

 

Doesn't seem like jersey has a man crush.

[CuseCubFan69]

At least we got rid of Infante and Ohman's contracts.

 

That's about $3M saved - which could be Mark Prior money for 2008, if he's not dealt.

 

And then you pull me back in. Why waste money on this guy to rehab? Make a clean break, give him a hug and start out new. Somebody must see the potential in him to make a decent offer.

 

Because it's not wasting money. It's investing in a real asset, regardless of your personal hatred of the man.

 

Just because I don't have a man crush on the guy doesn't mean I hate him. I just see him as a Miller who will waste the money time and time again. The Prior you once knew is gone and will never come back.

 

Doesn't seem like jersey has a man crush.

 

Did I say he did?

[BRASKYS SCOTCH]

quote="PriorPower"]Because it's not wasting money. It's investing in a real asset, regardless of your personal hatred of the man.

 

No, no ... this makes too much sense.

 

I understand the desire to cut the cord, but I think it will be a mistake when the Cubs trade him. Any animosity can be soothed over, but some smarter GM (and there are, oh, several out there) will make Hendry an offer he thinks is good enough and Prior's gone.

[CuseCubFan69]

quote="PriorPower"]Because it's not wasting money. It's investing in a real asset, regardless of your personal hatred of the man.

 

No, no ... this makes too much sense.

 

I understand the desire to cut the cord, but I think it will be a mistake when the Cubs trade him. Any animosity can be soothed over, but some smarter GM (and there are, oh, several out there) will make Hendry an offer he thinks is good enough and Prior's gone.

 

I don't want to make this about Prior so I'll just cut it out after this. The Cubs are making some deals to cut down the payroll but it's ok to have a guy on the payroll that isn't going to pitch because he had potential. I think too many here are just too attached to this guy to make a unemotional decision. Again, I like Prior but I think it would be a good BUSINESS move to trade him. You all seem to think it's better to pay him to recoup and hope he returns to pitch like he did, I simply think he never will. How is that hate? I said the same thing about Miller too, I must have hated him as well.

[cbbryan]

quote="PriorPower"]Because it's not wasting money. It's investing in a real asset, regardless of your personal hatred of the man.

 

No, no ... this makes too much sense.

 

I understand the desire to cut the cord, but I think it will be a mistake when the Cubs trade him. Any animosity can be soothed over, but some smarter GM (and there are, oh, several out there) will make Hendry an offer he thinks is good enough and Prior's gone.

 

I don't want to make this about Prior so I'll just cut it out after this. The Cubs are making some deals to cut down the payroll but it's ok to have a guy on the payroll that isn't going to pitch because he had potential. I think too many here are just too attached to this guy to make a unemotional decision. Again, I like Prior but I think it would be a good BUSINESS move to trade him. You all seem to think it's better to pay him to recoup and hope he returns to pitch like he did, I simply think he never will. How is that hate? I said the same thing about Miller too, I must have hated him as well.

 

I was on the same page with you on Miller. He never was close to the same player Prior has been, or could be again.

 

I don't look at the situation as just money this year. I look at it as the Cubs already have an investment and should try to get a return on that investment. I don't think their return will be enough through a trade, but I could be wrong.

[CubinNY]

 

I don't want to make this about Prior so I'll just cut it out after this. The Cubs are making some deals to cut down the payroll but it's ok to have a guy on the payroll that isn't going to pitch because he had potential. I think too many here are just too attached to this guy to make a unemotional decision. Again, I like Prior but I think it would be a good BUSINESS move to trade him. You all seem to think it's better to pay him to recoup and hope he returns to pitch like he did, I simply think he never will. How is that hate? I said the same thing about Miller too, I must have hated him as well.

3/4 of Old Prior > 2/3 of all pitchers in the bigs, and he's relatively cheap.

[David]

At least we got rid of Infante and Ohman's contracts.

 

That's about $3M saved - which could be Mark Prior money for 2008, if he's not dealt.

 

And then you pull me back in. Why waste money on this guy to rehab? Make a clean break, give him a hug and start out new. Somebody must see the potential in him to make a decent offer.

 

Because it's not wasting money. It's investing in a real asset, regardless of your personal hatred of the man.

 

Just because I don't have a man crush on the guy doesn't mean I hate him. I just see him as a Miller who will waste the money time and time again. The Prior you once knew is gone and will never come back.

 

Doesn't seem like jersey has a man crush.

 

Did I say he did?

 

Certainly seemed like that's what was being implied... :|

[CUBZ99]

 

I don't want to make this about Prior so I'll just cut it out after this. The Cubs are making some deals to cut down the payroll but it's ok to have a guy on the payroll that isn't going to pitch because he had potential. I think too many here are just too attached to this guy to make a unemotional decision. Again, I like Prior but I think it would be a good BUSINESS move to trade him. You all seem to think it's better to pay him to recoup and hope he returns to pitch like he did, I simply think he never will. How is that hate? I said the same thing about Miller too, I must have hated him as well.

3/4 of Old Prior > 2/3 of all pitchers in the bigs, and he's relatively cheap.

 

$3MM for no production is not cheap. The Cubs are not desperate for starting pitching this year, there is no need to potentially throw $3MM down the drain on wishful thinking.

Edited December 4, 2007 by CUBZ99

[Lefty]

 

I don't look at the situation as just money this year. I look at it as the Cubs already have an investment and should try to get a return on that investment. I don't think their return will be enough through a trade, but I could be wrong.

 

I love Prior. And I'd love to see him back. But your philosophy is termed "watering your weeds." Money already spent is water under the bridge. Is he worth the $3 million or so for what he will give you this year? Anything else is out of the Cubs' control.

[CubinNY]

 

I don't want to make this about Prior so I'll just cut it out after this. The Cubs are making some deals to cut down the payroll but it's ok to have a guy on the payroll that isn't going to pitch because he had potential. I think too many here are just too attached to this guy to make a unemotional decision. Again, I like Prior but I think it would be a good BUSINESS move to trade him. You all seem to think it's better to pay him to recoup and hope he returns to pitch like he did, I simply think he never will. How is that hate? I said the same thing about Miller too, I must have hated him as well.

3/4 of Old Prior > 2/3 of all pitchers in the bigs, and he's relatively cheap.

 

$3MM for no production is not cheap. The Cubs are no desperate for starting pitching this year, there is no need to potentially throw $3MM down the drain on wishful thinking.

Wow, just... wow.

[E.J.]

 

I don't want to make this about Prior so I'll just cut it out after this. The Cubs are making some deals to cut down the payroll but it's ok to have a guy on the payroll that isn't going to pitch because he had potential. I think too many here are just too attached to this guy to make a unemotional decision. Again, I like Prior but I think it would be a good BUSINESS move to trade him. You all seem to think it's better to pay him to recoup and hope he returns to pitch like he did, I simply think he never will. How is that hate? I said the same thing about Miller too, I must have hated him as well.

3/4 of Old Prior > 2/3 of all pitchers in the bigs, and he's relatively cheap.

 

$3MM for no production is not cheap. The Cubs are no desperate for starting pitching this year, there is no need to potentially throw $3MM down the drain on wishful thinking.

 

Exactly. Prior hasn't even started throwing again. Who knows how long it would take before he's even ready to pitch in a game. Also, shoulder surgeries seem to be more difficult to come back from than elbow surgeries. Plus both sides seem ready to move on.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't want to make this about Prior so I'll just cut it out after this. The Cubs are making some deals to cut down the payroll but it's ok to have a guy on the payroll that isn't going to pitch because he had potential. I think too many here are just too attached to this guy to make a unemotional decision. Again, I like Prior but I think it would be a good BUSINESS move to trade him. You all seem to think it's better to pay him to recoup and hope he returns to pitch like he did, I simply think he never will. How is that hate? I said the same thing about Miller too, I must have hated him as well.

 

I believe you are the one judging this based on emotions. I believe you've insinuated in the past you that Prior's problem is about body language and emotion, as opposed to any real injury. You've insinuated he's a steroids abuser and other things. I believe you have a grudge against Prior and just want him gone, thinking there's some sort of "cord cutting" benefit to moving on from the Prior era.

[CuseCubFan69]

I don't want to make this about Prior so I'll just cut it out after this. The Cubs are making some deals to cut down the payroll but it's ok to have a guy on the payroll that isn't going to pitch because he had potential. I think too many here are just too attached to this guy to make a unemotional decision. Again, I like Prior but I think it would be a good BUSINESS move to trade him. You all seem to think it's better to pay him to recoup and hope he returns to pitch like he did, I simply think he never will. How is that hate? I said the same thing about Miller too, I must have hated him as well.

 

I believe you are the one judging this based on emotions. I believe you've insinuated in the past you that Prior's problem is about body language and emotion, as opposed to any real injury. You've insinuated he's a steroids abuser and other things. I believe you have a grudge against Prior and just want him gone, thinking there's some sort of "cord cutting" benefit to moving on from the Prior era.

 

I also said he wasn't going to pitch last year but you disagreed. Who was right?

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't want to make this about Prior so I'll just cut it out after this. The Cubs are making some deals to cut down the payroll but it's ok to have a guy on the payroll that isn't going to pitch because he had potential. I think too many here are just too attached to this guy to make a unemotional decision. Again, I like Prior but I think it would be a good BUSINESS move to trade him. You all seem to think it's better to pay him to recoup and hope he returns to pitch like he did, I simply think he never will. How is that hate? I said the same thing about Miller too, I must have hated him as well.

 

I believe you are the one judging this based on emotions. I believe you've insinuated in the past you that Prior's problem is about body language and emotion, as opposed to any real injury. You've insinuated he's a steroids abuser and other things. I believe you have a grudge against Prior and just want him gone, thinking there's some sort of "cord cutting" benefit to moving on from the Prior era.

 

I also said he wasn't going to pitch last year but you disagreed. Who was right?

 

But you thought it was because he's a nancy boy that doesn't try hard enough.

 

He had surgery, which can be kind of tough to predict.

[CuseCubFan69]

I don't want to make this about Prior so I'll just cut it out after this. The Cubs are making some deals to cut down the payroll but it's ok to have a guy on the payroll that isn't going to pitch because he had potential. I think too many here are just too attached to this guy to make a unemotional decision. Again, I like Prior but I think it would be a good BUSINESS move to trade him. You all seem to think it's better to pay him to recoup and hope he returns to pitch like he did, I simply think he never will. How is that hate? I said the same thing about Miller too, I must have hated him as well.

 

I believe you are the one judging this based on emotions. I believe you've insinuated in the past you that Prior's problem is about body language and emotion, as opposed to any real injury. You've insinuated he's a steroids abuser and other things. I believe you have a grudge against Prior and just want him gone, thinking there's some sort of "cord cutting" benefit to moving on from the Prior era.

 

I also said he wasn't going to pitch last year but you disagreed. Who was right?

 

But you thought it was because he's a nancy boy that doesn't try hard enough.

 

He had surgery, which can be kind of tough to predict.

 

Oh I do think he's not mentally tough I don't deny that but I also saw that he had nothing when he pitched. I made the right decision then as I am now. All the pieces fit.

[David]

I don't want to make this about Prior so I'll just cut it out after this. The Cubs are making some deals to cut down the payroll but it's ok to have a guy on the payroll that isn't going to pitch because he had potential. I think too many here are just too attached to this guy to make a unemotional decision. Again, I like Prior but I think it would be a good BUSINESS move to trade him. You all seem to think it's better to pay him to recoup and hope he returns to pitch like he did, I simply think he never will. How is that hate? I said the same thing about Miller too, I must have hated him as well.

 

I believe you are the one judging this based on emotions. I believe you've insinuated in the past you that Prior's problem is about body language and emotion, as opposed to any real injury. You've insinuated he's a steroids abuser and other things. I believe you have a grudge against Prior and just want him gone, thinking there's some sort of "cord cutting" benefit to moving on from the Prior era.

 

I also said he wasn't going to pitch last year but you disagreed. Who was right?

 

 

Considering the incredibly inaccurate reports about Prior's condition going into this year's spring training (2003 form, anyone), can you blame him?

 

At the time that people here were optimistic about Prior's chances this year, the reports coming out of camp were incredibly bright. Then we saw him pitch and we knew that the guy (was it AZ Phil or Al Yellon or one of those bloggers?) was full of crap or didn't know what he was seeing. Now, Prior is 9 or 10 months removed from the major surgery that he probably needed a couple years ago and the first real diagnosis of his problems. There was never a chance for him to recover because nothing was done to fix the problem. Now there has been. The Cubs at least need to see if that works out.

Edited December 4, 2007 by David

[jersey cubs fan]

Oh I do think he's not mentally tough I don't deny that but I also saw that he had nothing when he pitched. I made the right decision then as I am now. All the pieces fit.

 

Because he needed surgery, most likely as a result of the completely incompetent manner in which he was handled by Baker and company.