Ty Cobb, etc. (split from Arod thread)

[Mephistopheles]

The population growth since the 1950s and the growth of ML teams has been nearly identical. Only baseball let in nonwhite players. obviously todays game is significantly more competitive than the game cobb (and ruth) played in.

[VanceJergins]

 

Racism is far worse than cheating at sports, do you not agree? :?

 

As a human being, yes. However, I don't admire Cobb as a person but as a baseball player, so that question is irrelevant.

Do you actually think anyone believes this? Seriously, you have bent over backwards here to defend this guy when his actions were totally despicable. You are being completely dishonest here.

 

I think anyone who has actually read his posts and not the IMB translation of his posts, would believe him. All he has said is that he was a horrible person that has had some things about him exaggerated.

[imb]

 

Racism is far worse than cheating at sports, do you not agree? :?

 

As a human being, yes. However, I don't admire Cobb as a person but as a baseball player, so that question is irrelevant.

Do you actually think anyone believes this? Seriously, you have bent over backwards here to defend this guy when his actions were totally despicable. You are being completely dishonest here.

 

I think anyone who has actually read his posts and not the IMB translation of his posts, would believe him. All he has said is that he was a horrible person that has had some things about him exaggerated.

 

I didn't spin anything he said, go ahead and try and prove otherwise.

 

For god's sake, he said that he didn't know what was worse, beating an innocent man who was just doing his job and then stabbing the person that tried to break the fight up or punching someone.

 

If your head isn't spinning then you're just as crazy as he is.

[The Voice of Reason]

Just curious, did Cobb ever use the racial slur "Hymie town" when referring to New York?

[OleMissCub]

 

If your head isn't spinning then you're just as crazy as he is.

 

Second time you've insulted me by questioning my mental facilities in this thread.

[imb]

 

If your head isn't spinning then you're just as crazy as he is.

 

Second time you've insulted me by questioning my mental facilities in this thread.

 

It's a ridiculously crazy opinion. I call em like I see em.

[VanceJergins]

 

Racism is far worse than cheating at sports, do you not agree? :?

 

As a human being, yes. However, I don't admire Cobb as a person but as a baseball player, so that question is irrelevant.

Do you actually think anyone believes this? Seriously, you have bent over backwards here to defend this guy when his actions were totally despicable. You are being completely dishonest here.

 

I think anyone who has actually read his posts and not the IMB translation of his posts, would believe him. All he has said is that he was a horrible person that has had some things about him exaggerated.

 

I didn't spin anything he said, go ahead and try and prove otherwise.

 

For god's sake, he said that he didn't know what was worse, beating an innocent man who was just doing his job and then stabbing the person that tried to break the fight up or punching someone.

 

If your head isn't spinning then you're just as crazy as he is.

 

A terrible racist? He was a racist sure, just like most people in those backward days, but I don't think it was bad enough to trump his playing skills.

 

Cobb was a douche with some serious personality flaws, but he wasn't a psychopath like Tyson.

 

He wasn't a "terrible" racist, sure. He was racist. Often. That's terrible. How you can ignore this is beyond me.

 

Does that count?

[imb]

 

Racism is far worse than cheating at sports, do you not agree? :?

 

As a human being, yes. However, I don't admire Cobb as a person but as a baseball player, so that question is irrelevant.

Do you actually think anyone believes this? Seriously, you have bent over backwards here to defend this guy when his actions were totally despicable. You are being completely dishonest here.

 

I think anyone who has actually read his posts and not the IMB translation of his posts, would believe him. All he has said is that he was a horrible person that has had some things about him exaggerated.

 

I didn't spin anything he said, go ahead and try and prove otherwise.

 

For god's sake, he said that he didn't know what was worse, beating an innocent man who was just doing his job and then stabbing the person that tried to break the fight up or punching someone.

 

If your head isn't spinning then you're just as crazy as he is.

 

A terrible racist? He was a racist sure, just like most people in those backward days, but I don't think it was bad enough to trump his playing skills.

 

Cobb was a douche with some serious personality flaws, but he wasn't a psychopath like Tyson.

 

He wasn't a "terrible" racist, sure. He was racist. Often. That's terrible. How you can ignore this is beyond me.

 

Does that count?

 

Nope, sorry buddy.

 

Saying that someone was a racist, but not a "terrible racist" and offering up his batting average as a defense is perhaps the worst thing I've read on this board.

[OleMissCub]

 

Saying that someone was a racist, but not a "terrible racist" and offering up his batting average as a defense is perhaps the worst thing I've read on this board.

 

:lol:

[Illini Iceman]

 

Racism is far worse than cheating at sports, do you not agree? :?

 

As a human being, yes. However, I don't admire Cobb as a person but as a baseball player, so that question is irrelevant.

Do you actually think anyone believes this? Seriously, you have bent over backwards here to defend this guy when his actions were totally despicable. You are being completely dishonest here.

 

I think anyone who has actually read his posts and not the IMB translation of his posts, would believe him. All he has said is that he was a horrible person that has had some things about him exaggerated.

 

I didn't spin anything he said, go ahead and try and prove otherwise.

 

For god's sake, he said that he didn't know what was worse, beating an innocent man who was just doing his job and then stabbing the person that tried to break the fight up or punching someone.

 

If your head isn't spinning then you're just as crazy as he is.

 

A terrible racist? He was a racist sure, just like most people in those backward days, but I don't think it was bad enough to trump his playing skills.

 

Cobb was a douche with some serious personality flaws, but he wasn't a psychopath like Tyson.

 

He wasn't a "terrible" racist, sure. He was racist. Often. That's terrible. How you can ignore this is beyond me.

 

Does that count?

 

Nope, sorry buddy.

 

Saying that someone was a racist, but not a "terrible racist" and offering up his batting average as a defense is perhaps the worst thing I've read on this board.

 

I tend to agree with your position regarding Cobb, but the name calling and sarcastic comments don't reflect well on you. Believe it or not, two people can look at the same facts and sometimes have different opinions. There is no reason you can't have a respectful discussion about it.

[Bote McBoteface]

My previous unidentified player basically is baseball's version of Jesus Christ, btw.

 

Neifi?

 

 

This might be the only Neifi joke in the history of this board that failed :(

[Chocolate Milk]

Saying that someone was a racist, but not a "terrible racist" and offering up his batting average as a defense is perhaps the worst thing I've read on this board.

Really? I think that

 

Cobb only pulled a knife (which was a pocketknife that didn't inflict much damage anyways)

 

wins for me.

[Chocolate Milk]

 

Racism is far worse than cheating at sports, do you not agree? :?

 

As a human being, yes. However, I don't admire Cobb as a person but as a baseball player, so that question is irrelevant.

Do you actually think anyone believes this? Seriously, you have bent over backwards here to defend this guy when his actions were totally despicable. You are being completely dishonest here.

 

I think anyone who has actually read his posts and not the IMB translation of his posts, would believe him. All he has said is that he was a horrible person that has had some things about him exaggerated.

You think that someone who goes to ridiculous means (I mean, he downplayed stabbing a guy because he only used a pocketknife) to defend the actions of a violent racist doesn't think much of him as a person? If that were the case, he'd probably just accept was is obvious to everyone and move on. The very fact that he defends this scumbag is pretty telling to me.

[OleMissCub]

 

Cobb only pulled a knife (which was a pocketknife that didn't inflict much damage anyways)

 

wins for me.

 

You don't think it makes a difference whether he had a freaking Bowie knife or a simple pocket knife like just about everyone carried around back then? Cobb only pulled the knife after he had his skull split open by several strikes from a billy club and reportedly feared for his life. Both of the men were apparently in the wrong, which is a principal reason why nothing much was made about it at the time, even though it was in Cleveland, a rival city that would have loved to have crucify him. Cobb was being a drunk punkass kid and the watchman acted excessively. As baseball writer Richard Bak said: "Error to Cobb, assist to Sanderson (the watchman)".

 

Again, context apparently is never allowed to try and mitigate something, even an act that is admittedly awful, with you guys. There's never a gray area, everything is in white or black. It reeks of self righteousness and pompousness.

[Chocolate Milk]

You don't think it makes a difference whether he had a freaking Bowie knife or a simple pocket knife like just about everyone carried around back then?

No.

 

You seem to have a lot of excuses for a guy who you don't respect personally. Seems odd.

Edited November 19, 2007 by Chocolate Milk

[OleMissCub]

The very fact that he defends this scumbag is pretty telling to me.

 

Telling of what? That I'm a violent racist scumbag too?

[Chocolate Milk]

The very fact that he defends this scumbag is pretty telling to me.

 

Telling of what? That I'm a violent racist scumbag too?

Telling that you actually do respect him as a person. Read into that however you like.

[OleMissCub]

The very fact that he defends this scumbag is pretty telling to me.

 

Telling of what? That I'm a violent racist scumbag too?

Telling that you actually do respect him as a person. Read into that however you like.

 

I don't have to respect someone to try and mitigate the way their reputation has been exaggerated by time. You think criminal defense attorney's admire the character of their clients?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The very fact that he defends this scumbag is pretty telling to me.

 

Telling of what? That I'm a violent racist scumbag too?

Telling that you actually do respect him as a person. Read into that however you like.

 

I don't have to respect someone to try and mitigate the way their reputation has been exaggerated by time. You think criminal defense attorney's admire the character of their clients?

 

Is someone paying you to defend Ty Cobb's reputation on a message board?

[Chocolate Milk]

The very fact that he defends this scumbag is pretty telling to me.

 

Telling of what? That I'm a violent racist scumbag too?

Telling that you actually do respect him as a person. Read into that however you like.

 

I don't have to respect someone to try and mitigate the way their reputation has been exaggerated by time.

 

I think it would be awfully strange to defend a violent racist in your free time, if you didn't admire him to some extent. It'd also be strange to have pictures of him as your avatar and quotes from him under your username, which you have had in the past, if you didn't respect him.

[OleMissCub]

The very fact that he defends this scumbag is pretty telling to me.

 

Telling of what? That I'm a violent racist scumbag too?

Telling that you actually do respect him as a person. Read into that however you like.

 

I don't have to respect someone to try and mitigate the way their reputation has been exaggerated by time. You think criminal defense attorney's admire the character of their clients?

 

Is someone paying you to defend Ty Cobb's reputation on a message board?

 

That's not the point at all. The point is that you don't have to "respect" or "admire" someone's character when you see something done that you think is wrong.

 

The last refuge of a defeated debater is an Ad hominem attack, to which several people have clearly resorted to in this thread.

[Chocolate Milk]

The very fact that he defends this scumbag is pretty telling to me.

 

Telling of what? That I'm a violent racist scumbag too?

Telling that you actually do respect him as a person. Read into that however you like.

 

I don't have to respect someone to try and mitigate the way their reputation has been exaggerated by time. You think criminal defense attorney's admire the character of their clients?

 

Is someone paying you to defend Ty Cobb's reputation on a message board?

 

That's not the point at all. The point is that you don't have to "respect" or "admire" someone's character when you see something done that you think is wrong.

 

The last refuge of a defeated debater is an Ad hominem attack, to which several people have clearly resorted to in this thread.

You haven't defeated anyone here, buddy. Your lawyer example wasn't a good one, which TT kindly pointed out.

[Guest]

I've locked this for now as any real discussion of the issue has ceased.

[Guest]

I've unlocked this, but I want no further comments or insinuations about OMC. Discussions about the magnitude of Cobb's scumminess is fine, but let's leave the discussion there. Any more insinuations about posters on this site will result in temp bans.

 

You have been warned.

[Derwood]

eh, it's just not the same anymore