PLEASE, Jim, Trade for Kemp & Loney!!!

[Hosak8]

I've never been more convinced that this is the right move for this team.

 

According to Hoops in the 2008 salary sticky, the Cubs have approximately 105 million spent, and still need 3 players- a RF, SS, and a pitcher. He has Wood slotted as that pitcher.

 

Now, if we could deal DLee, EPatt, and a young pitcher to LA for Loney and Kemp, we solve the RF problem, meaning we would only need a ss and rp to fill out the roster. Plus, we'd be down to around a $92 million payroll. With the bump to a potential $125 million payroll, I have to wonder where we'd find a decent ss for 25 million or so. Any ideas?

 

Seriously... get this done, Jimbo. Then worry about what to do with Murton, Theriot, Fontenot, and Infante later.

[b_wiggy_66]

Cubs will never trade D-Lee. Nor should they.

[Sammy Sofa]

Cubs will never trade D-Lee. Nor should they.

 

If he could help net Kemp AND Loney? The hell they shouldn't.

[nilodnayr]

Cubs will never trade D-Lee. Nor should they.

 

While your first sentence is probably true, your second sentence definitely is not. However, I predict this thread will die into oblivion very soon. Loney/Kemp idea is nothing new.

[Hosak8]

Cubs will never trade D-Lee. Nor should they.

 

While your first sentence is probably true, your second sentence definitely is not. However, I predict this thread will die into oblivion very soon. Loney/Kemp idea is nothing new.

 

It's not, but the fact that the Dodgers seem to be shopping Kemp is...

[nilodnayr]

Cubs will never trade D-Lee. Nor should they.

 

While your first sentence is probably true, your second sentence definitely is not. However, I predict this thread will die into oblivion very soon. Loney/Kemp idea is nothing new.

 

It's not, but the fact that the Dodgers seem to be shopping Kemp is...

 

Except for the Kemp/Kershaw for Santana rumor that has been around since the beginning of time.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'd be all for trading Lee, if it wasn't for the no-trade clause.

 

In order to pull off a Lee trade, I think it would have to be quick and painless. Cut the cord and make the trade without any time for public discourse. But the no-trade guarantees he won't go quietly or quickly, and at that point things could get ugly.

[jyoung55]

Man Hosak sure it hell-bent on getting the word out on trying to trade a package including Lee for Loney and Kemp, huh? Not only does it have its own thread but i think its mentioned in most of the new threads as well.

[Hosak8]

I'd be all for trading Lee, if it wasn't for the no-trade clause.

 

In order to pull off a Lee trade, I think it would have to be quick and painless. Cut the cord and make the trade without any time for public discourse. But the no-trade guarantees he won't go quietly or quickly, and at that point things could get ugly.

 

Honestly, I like Lee, and would normally have no interest in dealing him. But, for a chance at those two, you have to try.

 

Besides, I imagine Lee might like playing in LA under Torre. Not saying he'd go, just saying I could see why he might consider it...

[Mephistopheles]

I must be the only not on the Loney and Kemp bandwagons. That said, we don't have the trade assets required to net both of them. Stop discussing it.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'd be all for trading Lee, if it wasn't for the no-trade clause.

 

In order to pull off a Lee trade, I think it would have to be quick and painless. Cut the cord and make the trade without any time for public discourse. But the no-trade guarantees he won't go quietly or quickly, and at that point things could get ugly.

 

Honestly, I like Lee, and would normally have no interest in dealing him. But, for a chance at those two, you have to try.

 

Besides, I imagine Lee might like playing in LA under Torre. Not saying he'd go, just saying I could see why he might consider it...

 

I like him as well. However, he's replacable, and I believe a bit overrated.

[mul21]

What are reasonable projections for Kemp and Loney for the next couple of years?

[imb]

What are reasonable projections for Kemp and Loney for the next couple of years?

 

Here's some 2008 projections

 

James J.Loney .302 /.359/.465 /.823

CHONE J.Loney .284/.347/.431/.778

 

James M.Kemp .322/.365/.508/.873

CHONE M.Kemp .289/.337/.467/.804

[mul21]

What are reasonable projections for Kemp and Loney for the next couple of years?

 

Here's some 2008 projections

 

James J.Loney .302 /.359/.465 /.823

CHONE J.Loney .284/.347/.431/.778

 

James M.Kemp .322/.365/.508/.873

CHONE M.Kemp .289/.337/.467/.804

 

Yeah, it'd totally suck to have those two hitting 3 and 5. Absolutely awful.

[Mephistopheles]

When Kemp's strikeout rate catches up to his ability to sustain a high average (it's only a matter of time) his value as offensive player is going to deteriorate. He doesn't walk. He has 25 HR power, but he's not any better than Matt Murton. Loney's Mark Grace at best.

[nilodnayr]

What are reasonable projections for Kemp and Loney for the next couple of years?

 

Here's some 2008 projections

 

James J.Loney .302 /.359/.465 /.823

CHONE J.Loney .284/.347/.431/.778

 

James M.Kemp .322/.365/.508/.873

CHONE M.Kemp .289/.337/.467/.804

 

Last year's PECOTA predicitons have their 2008s as follows:

 

Kemp 295/349/524

Loney 298/357/486

[Mephistopheles]

What are reasonable projections for Kemp and Loney for the next couple of years?

 

Here's some 2008 projections

 

James J.Loney .302 /.359/.465 /.823

CHONE J.Loney .284/.347/.431/.778

 

James M.Kemp .322/.365/.508/.873

CHONE M.Kemp .289/.337/.467/.804

 

Yeah, it'd totally suck to have those two hitting 3 and 5. Absolutely awful.

James M. Murton .305/.373/.468/.841

James D. Lee .297/.386/.515/.901

 

Let's see. We want a higher OBP no? Both Murton and Lee are better than Kemp and Loney in that department. Lee's considerably better than Kemp and Murton's considerably better than Loney.

 

Yeah, it'd totally suck to have those two hitting 3 and 5. Absolutely awful.

[TruffleShuffle]

i'd like loney if he shows the pop that he had last year, but i think he turns out more like a lyle overbay

[TruffleShuffle]

James M. Murton .305/.373/.468/.841

James D. Lee .297/.386/.515/.901

 

Let's see. We want a higher OBP no? Both Murton and Lee are better than Kemp and Loney in that department. Lee's considerably better than Kemp and Murton's considerably better than Loney.

 

Yeah, it'd totally suck to have those two hitting 3 and 5. Absolutely awful.

 

those numbers seem pretty ambitious for murton. I like PECOTA (.295/.356/.454) more.

 

As for Lee, he showed some more power in the second half of the year... this may mitigate the concerns that I have about his absurd 2007 BABIP.

Edited November 14, 2007 by TruffleShuffle

[ChiCubsFan]

What are reasonable projections for Kemp and Loney for the next couple of years?

 

Here's some 2008 projections

 

James J.Loney .302 /.359/.465 /.823

CHONE J.Loney .284/.347/.431/.778

 

James M.Kemp .322/.365/.508/.873

CHONE M.Kemp .289/.337/.467/.804

 

Yeah, it'd totally suck to have those two hitting 3 and 5. Absolutely awful.

James M. Murton .305/.373/.468/.841

James D. Lee .297/.386/.515/.901

 

Let's see. We want a higher OBP no? Both Murton and Lee are better than Kemp and Loney in that department. Lee's considerably better than Kemp and Murton's considerably better than Loney.

 

Yeah, it'd totally suck to have those two hitting 3 and 5. Absolutely awful.

 

The point is that you don't lose all that much offensively and you save a ton of cash. Cash is then applied to A-Rod. Also, D-Lee is on the downswing of his career and is only going to get worse, while Kemp and Loney are young and going to improve.

 

Which would you rather have?

Lee, Muton, and Theriot or

Loney, Kemp, and A-Rod

 

I'd go with the second option. Never going to happen, but that would probably be the best scenario for this team. Patterson, D-Lee, and Marshall for Loney and Kemp?

[TruffleShuffle]

Lee, Murton, Theriot and $20M or

Loney, Kemp, and A-Rod

 

fixed

[Butterscup1679666578]

A-Rod is basically a Yankee again, so let's get over that scenario right now.

[ChiCubsFan]

Lee, Murton, Theriot and $20M or

Loney, Kemp, and A-Rod

 

fixed

 

First of all, you believe A-Rod is going to make $20M more than D-Lee? Hmm...

 

Now that A-Rod appears off the market, I still wouldn't mind this scenario. You save a lot of money by dealing Lee.

[BigbadB]

The point is that you don't lose all that much offensively and you save a ton of cash. Cash is then applied to A-Rod. Also, D-Lee is on the downswing of his career and is only going to get worse, while Kemp and Loney are young and going to improve.

 

Couldn't the Dodgers have just signed ARod and hung onto Loney and Kemp?

[Mephistopheles]

What are reasonable projections for Kemp and Loney for the next couple of years?

 

Here's some 2008 projections

 

James J.Loney .302 /.359/.465 /.823

CHONE J.Loney .284/.347/.431/.778

 

James M.Kemp .322/.365/.508/.873

CHONE M.Kemp .289/.337/.467/.804

 

Yeah, it'd totally suck to have those two hitting 3 and 5. Absolutely awful.

James M. Murton .305/.373/.468/.841

James D. Lee .297/.386/.515/.901

 

Let's see. We want a higher OBP no? Both Murton and Lee are better than Kemp and Loney in that department. Lee's considerably better than Kemp and Murton's considerably better than Loney.

 

Yeah, it'd totally suck to have those two hitting 3 and 5. Absolutely awful.

 

The point is that you don't lose all that much offensively and you save a ton of cash. Cash is then applied to A-Rod. Also, D-Lee is on the downswing of his career and is only going to get worse, while Kemp and Loney are young and going to improve.

 

Which would you rather have?

Lee, Muton, and Theriot or

Loney, Kemp, and A-Rod

 

I'd go with the second option. Never going to happen, but that would probably be the best scenario for this team. Patterson, D-Lee, and Marshall for Loney and Kemp?

 

Save a ton of cash? you'd save what? 15 mil? arod isnt signing for 15 mil