Tigers trade for Renteria

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Maybe ARod has a spot open in Atlanta? They are losing the Jones contract and may be a serious player for him.

 

Unless they are going to move Johnson to center, escobar to 2b and play ARod at short OR move Chipper back to the OF again, it ain't happening. Both of those scenarios seem very unlikely to happen.

 

They have options and young talent. They also are pretty creative when it comes to deals so this quick deal makes me wonder why they made this trade so early, unless they are going young I can't think of a reason why they would sell Renteria so quickly. Renteria could be on Mitchells list I suppose and this was a chance to sell high.

 

You have to remember that Atlanta traded for Tex at the deadline last year, which increased payroll rather than reduced it like they've been wanting to do for years. They have Yunel Escobar and Brent Lillibridge to step in at SS.

 

I don't see Atlanta making a play for A-Rod. They just don't want to hang on to players too long that they clearly want to move. Each player that they don't trade right away hampers their future offseason decisions.

 

Atlanta will supposedly bring back Glavine for one more go-round, too--that's another $10MM they'll need to come up with. Braves don't have the $$ to go for A-Rod.

[Guest]

Yeah, so Sean Marshall and anyone else could have easily got this done.

 

Considering Jurrjens >>>> Sean Marshall...probably not.

 

I think Gorky is probably the more valuable of the two, but I think a Marshall + EPatt deal fits their immediate needs better. Basically a lower risk/lower reward version of Gorky and Jurrjens.

 

Maybe not EASILY gotten the deal done, but I think we could have gotten it done.

 

I would take Gorkys Hernandez and Jurrjens over EPatt + Marshall but I think most teams would rather have Marshall in a trade over Jurrgens straight up.

[nilodnayr]

Yeah, so Sean Marshall and anyone else could have easily got this done.

 

Considering Jurrjens >>>> Sean Marshall...probably not.

 

I think Gorky is probably the more valuable of the two, but I think a Marshall + EPatt deal fits their immediate needs better. Basically a lower risk/lower reward version of Gorky and Jurrjens.

 

Maybe not EASILY gotten the deal done, but I think we could have gotten it done.

 

I would take Gorkys Hernandez and Jurrjens over EPatt + Marshall but I think most teams would rather have Marshall in a trade over Jurrgens straight up.

 

I bet if you took a poll among GMs it would probably be 50/50 over which package is better. It just seemed to me (and from quotes) that the Braves were looking for a ML starter to step in. Marshall provides that, Jurrjens doesn't. Does Gorky play center or a corner OF?

[Guest]

Yeah, so Sean Marshall and anyone else could have easily got this done.

 

Considering Jurrjens >>>> Sean Marshall...probably not.

 

I think Gorky is probably the more valuable of the two, but I think a Marshall + EPatt deal fits their immediate needs better. Basically a lower risk/lower reward version of Gorky and Jurrjens.

 

Maybe not EASILY gotten the deal done, but I think we could have gotten it done.

 

I would take Gorkys Hernandez and Jurrjens over EPatt + Marshall but I think most teams would rather have Marshall in a trade over Jurrgens straight up.

 

I bet if you took a poll among GMs it would probably be 50/50 over which package is better. It just seemed to me (and from quotes) that the Braves were looking for a ML starter to step in. Marshall provides that, Jurrjens doesn't. Does Gorky play center or a corner OF?

 

Gorkys plays CF.

 

I don't think EPatt provides much value right now as he transfers to the outfield. Didn't Jurrjens have about 5 starts for Detroit last season? He's not experienced like Marshall but he could be a viable 5th starter.

[abuck1220]

damn.

[NewUserName]

Have I ever mentioned that I wish Dave Drombrowski was the Cubs GM.

[nilodnayr]

Yeah, so Sean Marshall and anyone else could have easily got this done.

 

Considering Jurrjens >>>> Sean Marshall...probably not.

 

I think Gorky is probably the more valuable of the two, but I think a Marshall + EPatt deal fits their immediate needs better. Basically a lower risk/lower reward version of Gorky and Jurrjens.

 

Maybe not EASILY gotten the deal done, but I think we could have gotten it done.

 

I would take Gorkys Hernandez and Jurrjens over EPatt + Marshall but I think most teams would rather have Marshall in a trade over Jurrgens straight up.

 

I bet if you took a poll among GMs it would probably be 50/50 over which package is better. It just seemed to me (and from quotes) that the Braves were looking for a ML starter to step in. Marshall provides that, Jurrjens doesn't. Does Gorky play center or a corner OF?

 

Gorkys plays CF.

 

I don't think EPatt provides much value right now as he transfers to the outfield. Didn't Jurrjens have about 5 starts for Detroit last season? He's not experienced like Marshall but he could be a viable 5th starter.

 

Yeah, Jurrjens did get some starts with the Tigers last year, but Marshall proved sustained success. Thats what I thought the Braves would have been after, but I guess I was wrong. Not to mention the injury issues with Marshall.

 

Seemed like a good match, but the Braves probably did the smart thing by taking the younger, higher upside guys. Afterall, they can go with a rotation of Smoltz, Hudson, Glavine, James, and Hampton/JurrjensReyes/Carlyle.

[wolf stansson]

Damn. Eckstein.

[Mephistopheles]

Yeah, so Sean Marshall and anyone else could have easily got this done.

 

That isn't true. Hernandez is double the prospect Marshall ever was and Jurrjens was better.

 

And about trading Guillen. Sure his defense is poor, but Im sure his defense is better than a tubby Rodriguez moving back to short.

[Mizzou]

And so it begins.

 

I like Renteria, but I'd much prefer ARod.

[nilodnayr]

Yeah, so Sean Marshall and anyone else could have easily got this done.

 

That isn't true. Hernandez is double the prospect Marshall ever was and Jurrjens was better.

 

And about trading Guillen. Sure his defense is poor, but Im sure his defense is better than a tubby Rodriguez moving back to short.

 

Yeah, I amended my statement.

[Little Slide Rooter]

what a shame. We could have offered them more than a couple of guys with funny names.

[nilodnayr]

what a shame. We could have offered them more than a couple of guys with funny names.

 

wow. simply wow

[illiniguy]

what a shame. We could have offered them more than a couple of guys with funny names.

 

wow. simply wow

Gorkys compares to Maybin. We could not have offered anything near that.

[shnsajax]

Maybe ARod has a spot open in Atlanta? They are losing the Jones contract and may be a serious player for him.

 

Unless they are going to move Johnson to center, escobar to 2b and play ARod at short OR move Chipper back to the OF again, it ain't happening. Both of those scenarios seem very unlikely to happen.

 

They have options and young talent. They also are pretty creative when it comes to deals so this quick deal makes me wonder why they made this trade so early, unless they are going young I can't think of a reason why they would sell Renteria so quickly. Renteria could be on Mitchells list I suppose and this was a chance to sell high.

 

Yeah but the with the Mets in the division it will be tough. Its not like they will ever choke away a divsion, oh wait... :twisted:

[inari]

what a shame. We could have offered them more than a couple of guys with funny names.

 

Joke post? Joke poster? You decide.

[Guest]

what a shame. We could have offered them more than a couple of guys with funny names.

 

wow. simply wow

Gorkys compares to Maybin. We could not have offered anything near that.

 

Don't think he has Maybin's power potential.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Little Lord Fontenot is becoming one of my favorite posters.

[salukifudd]

Little Lord Fontenot is becoming one of my favorite posters.

 

You make one of us.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

LLF is a legend, back off haters.

[haltz]

Similar to the A-Rod situation, I think people are too heavily weighting his most recent performance. He's not going to have a .375 BABIP every year, and that career 97 OPS+ and not-so-hot defense is hard to get around. Not that he isn't a decent player at a league average EqA and acceptable defense.

 

When MORP says he's worth exactly what he's owed (assuming the option is exercised) I think you've got a problem. The Tigers gave up 12 years of funny named production for a $200k house with a $200k mortgage (if that).

[illiniguy]

what a shame. We could have offered them more than a couple of guys with funny names.

 

wow. simply wow

Gorkys compares to Maybin. We could not have offered anything near that.

 

Don't think he has Maybin's power potential.

Probably not, but still he is more enticing that most of our prospects. I don't think we could have made this deal.

[Tracer Bullet]

Have I ever mentioned that I wish Dave Drombrowski was the Cubs GM.

 

I don't know, but I'm pretty sure I have.

[badnews]

Similar to the A-Rod situation, I think people are too heavily weighting his most recent performance. He's not going to have a .375 BABIP every year, and that career 97 OPS+ and not-so-hot defense is hard to get around. Not that he isn't a decent player at a league average EqA and acceptable defense.

 

When MORP says he's worth exactly what he's owed (assuming the option is exercised) I think you've got a problem. The Tigers gave up 12 years of funny named production for a $200k house with a $200k mortgage (if that).

 

AMEN. One thing that bothers me about this board, the skepticism level is practically zero. If someone puts up a good year, that's it, it's accepted at face value. There are some points others have made that I disagree with.

 

- First of all, Jurrjens and Gorkys absolutely smokes Marshall and EPatt. I can't believe anyone said they were at all comparable. Pretty much every GM but one would take Jurrjens in two seconds over Marshall, that one dissenting GM being Jim Hendry.

 

- This idea that Dave Dombrowski is just the bees' knees because of this. Hey, I'd like to have him as our GM. But I think the Braves are going to walk away from this deal clear winners, like they usually do. I didn't like the Gary Sheffield trade. Look at what the Yankees gave up for Abreu (and Lidle). They gave up squat. Look at what the Tigers gave up Sheffield. A ton, and he's old, injury prone, and look at his OPS, not that great.

 

- Renteria is going to go back to his old .735 OPS self, and then we'll see how smart the Tigers are. I thank the Tigers for removing this temptation from Hendry. And then how much of an offensive upgrade will it be?

 

But all of this misses the main point - the Tigers have the chips to do trades like this, we don't. They're giving away Humberto Sanchez (what that his name? Something like that, I'm in a hurry), Kevin Whelan, Jair Jurrjens because they have Andrew Miller and Rick Porcello. They can give away Gorkys with Curtis Granderson and Cameron Maybin in that outfield. Just like the Braves could trade their overrated prospects for Teixeira and not be sunk. We don't have the chips or the depth.

[wade]

badnews, you make good points. Not disagreeing with most of your post, just nitpicking a little. One thing I'd counter with is that while the Tigers have given up young talent over the past two years for Sheffield and now Renteria, that young talent is so iffy to ever pan out anyway and Detroit is clearly in a win now mode. Humberto Sanchez, for example, underwent Tommy John surgery earlier this year. Who knows if he'll ever even pitch in MLB.

 

Anyway, I like the Tigers and I'm not upset with dealing some young guys, even if what's coming back isn't the greatest. They addressed a need and Edgar's offense over Sean Casey (who he's essentially replacing in the lineup) is probably worth a couple of wins over the course of the year. With Detroit as close as they were this year, a couple of wins could be huge.