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I wouldn't even consider pitching Jason Marquis or Ryan Dempster in the postseason. They had trouble getting the Louisville Bats out today and I don't wanna even think about what a few decent MLB teams could do to them. I only wanna see these guys if we have a big lead. Blast me if you must, but it's pretty clear that sending these guys out in the playoffs would be a huge mistake.

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They've both been really, really bad in September. I can honestly say I'd much rather see Marshall get a start over Marquis, and I'd rather see Howry as the closer over Dempster. I have no faith in either Demp or Marquis.
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They've both been really, really bad in September. I can honestly say I'd much rather see Marshall get a start over Marquis, and I'd rather see Howry as the closer over Dempster. I have no faith in either Demp or Marquis.

 

sounds good to me

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From that link...

 

Fans sitting near home plate watched in disbelief as a visibly angry Piniella had an animated conversation with pitching coach Larry Rothschild after Marquis was yanked. The object of Piniella's displeasure was obvious.

 

If Marquis isn't chosen for the roster, that opens up a spot for rookie right-hander Kevin Hart, who was on the bubble in the 11-man playoff staff.

 

 

 

Awesome!

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It all depends if the team wants to go with 4 starters or not. If there's only 3, they won't put Marquis on as a reliever. If 4, he'll be the 4th guy. Remember also that the roster can change from round to round so if the Cubs want to use 4 starters in one round and then 3 the next, they always could bring Marquis for one series and leave him off of another.

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It all depends if the team wants to go with 4 starters or not. If there's only 3, they won't put Marquis on as a reliever. If 4, he'll be the 4th guy. Remember also that the roster can change from round to round so if the Cubs want to use 4 starters in one round and then 3 the next, they always could bring Marquis for one series and leave him off of another.

 

I was going to say the same thing. If Lou chooses to us a four man rotation, who do you start for Game 4 if it's not Marquis? Steve Traschel? Basically what the decision is going to come down to for Lou is who he thinks will be more effective in Game 4: Z on 3 days rest or Marquis/Traschel/?.

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Dempster I'm not as concerned with...he flat out sucks in non-save situations...he proved that again today...but with Marquis...I can't envision a situation where he should start a game in the playoffs....
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It all depends if the team wants to go with 4 starters or not. If there's only 3, they won't put Marquis on as a reliever. If 4, he'll be the 4th guy. Remember also that the roster can change from round to round so if the Cubs want to use 4 starters in one round and then 3 the next, they always could bring Marquis for one series and leave him off of another.

 

I was going to say the same thing. If Lou chooses to us a four man rotation, who do you start for Game 4 if it's not Marquis? Steve Traschel? Basically what the decision is going to come down to for Lou is who he thinks will be more effective in Game 4: Z on 3 days rest or Marquis/Traschel/?.

 

Why does everyone forget about Sean Marshall? I would definitely choose him over Marquis or Trachsel.

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It all depends if the team wants to go with 4 starters or not. If there's only 3, they won't put Marquis on as a reliever. If 4, he'll be the 4th guy. Remember also that the roster can change from round to round so if the Cubs want to use 4 starters in one round and then 3 the next, they always could bring Marquis for one series and leave him off of another.

 

I was going to say the same thing. If Lou chooses to us a four man rotation, who do you start for Game 4 if it's not Marquis? Steve Traschel? Basically what the decision is going to come down to for Lou is who he thinks will be more effective in Game 4: Z on 3 days rest or Marquis/Traschel/?.

 

Why does everyone forget about Sean Marshall? I would definitely choose him over Marquis or Trachsel.

 

I would too but they aren't even throwing him down the stretch here but he's only pitched three times this month and only once since Sept 15. He's currently logged a whopping 6 innings this month in 2 relief appearances and one start. I would think that if the Cubs wanted him to pitch in the posteason as a starter they would have used him as such down the stretch here.

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It all depends if the team wants to go with 4 starters or not. If there's only 3, they won't put Marquis on as a reliever. If 4, he'll be the 4th guy. Remember also that the roster can change from round to round so if the Cubs want to use 4 starters in one round and then 3 the next, they always could bring Marquis for one series and leave him off of another.

 

I was going to say the same thing. If Lou chooses to us a four man rotation, who do you start for Game 4 if it's not Marquis? Steve Traschel? Basically what the decision is going to come down to for Lou is who he thinks will be more effective in Game 4: Z on 3 days rest or Marquis/Traschel/?.

 

Why does everyone forget about Sean Marshall? I would definitely choose him over Marquis or Trachsel.

 

I would too but they aren't even throwing him down the stretch here but he's only pitched three times this month and only once since Sept 15. He's currently logged a whopping 6 innings this month in 2 relief appearances and one start. I would think that if the Cubs wanted him to pitch in the posteason as a starter they would have used him as such down the stretch here.

 

That just means he's really rested and should be ready to go. :lol:

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he flat out sucks in non-save situations

 

 

I'm so sick of seeing this nonsensical distinction. With the exception of today and the Sept. 14 game @ St.L, every single one of his blowups in "non-save situations" have come in high-leverage spots (i.e. tie games in the 9th or 10th inning). It's utterly absurd to think that Dempster's approach when pitching in a tie game in the 9th or 10th inning is different than it is with a 1 run lead in the ninth. He's been bad in all kinds of high-leverage spots and it's blissful ignorance to pretend like his failures in those situations are somehow irrelevant to whether he's the best option in a "save" situation.

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I'd still start Marquis in game 4, he'd be on a really really short leash though. You know after 10 pitches what he's likely going to do. Edited by UK
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If Cubs face Arizona, Marquis will be on the roster. He owns that team.

 

Marquis Vs Arizona.

 

But if Cubs face San Diego, Philly, or even Colorado, you probably won't see him on the roster.

 

Marquis Vs. San Diego

 

Marquis Vs. Philly

 

Marquis Vs. Colorado

 

Well, it looks more and more like we're going to play AZ...so maybe he will make the roster.

 

I guess Colorado falls under the "maybe" category.

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he flat out sucks in non-save situations

 

 

I'm so sick of seeing this nonsensical distinction. With the exception of today and the Sept. 14 game @ St.L, every single one of his blowups in "non-save situations" have come in high-leverage spots (i.e. tie games in the 9th or 10th inning). It's utterly absurd to think that Dempster's approach when pitching in a tie game in the 9th or 10th inning is different than it is with a 1 run lead in the ninth. He's been bad in all kinds of high-leverage spots and it's blissful ignorance to pretend like his failures in those situations are somehow irrelevant to whether he's the best option in a "save" situation.

 

Yep.

 

Dempster overall: .240/.319/.394/.713

 

Dempster close and late: .239/.325/.388/.713

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he flat out sucks in non-save situations

 

 

I'm so sick of seeing this nonsensical distinction. With the exception of today and the Sept. 14 game @ St.L, every single one of his blowups in "non-save situations" have come in high-leverage spots (i.e. tie games in the 9th or 10th inning). It's utterly absurd to think that Dempster's approach when pitching in a tie game in the 9th or 10th inning is different than it is with a 1 run lead in the ninth. He's been bad in all kinds of high-leverage spots and it's blissful ignorance to pretend like his failures in those situations are somehow irrelevant to whether he's the best option in a "save" situation.

 

Yep.

 

Dempster overall: .240/.319/.394/.713

 

Dempster close and late: .239/.325/.388/.713

 

Thank you. Wanna add that to the game thread too? Ryan Dempster should really thank Jerome Holtzman. It's only because of that absurd statistic that people somehow think Dempster has been anything other than a mediocre pitcher this season.

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If Cubs face Arizona, Marquis will be on the roster. He owns that team.

 

 

 

 

Chris Young begs to differ.

 

Yeah. That's about it. It's still the best chance he has to get into an NL playoff series.

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he flat out sucks in non-save situations

 

 

I'm so sick of seeing this nonsensical distinction. With the exception of today and the Sept. 14 game @ St.L, every single one of his blowups in "non-save situations" have come in high-leverage spots (i.e. tie games in the 9th or 10th inning). It's utterly absurd to think that Dempster's approach when pitching in a tie game in the 9th or 10th inning is different than it is with a 1 run lead in the ninth. He's been bad in all kinds of high-leverage spots and it's blissful ignorance to pretend like his failures in those situations are somehow irrelevant to whether he's the best option in a "save" situation.

 

Yep.

 

Dempster overall: .240/.319/.394/.713

 

Dempster close and late: .239/.325/.388/.713

 

Thank you. Wanna add that to the game thread too? Ryan Dempster should really thank Jerome Holtzman. It's only because of that absurd statistic that people somehow think Dempster has been anything other than a mediocre pitcher this season.

 

"High leverage" situations? All I know is that if we've got a lead of 1-3 runs when Dempster comes in, we almost always win....if he comes in during other situations, he doesn't seem to pitch well...

 

The reason the Dempster overall and Dempster close and late are very similar is that...well, Dempster basically only comes in when its close and late....I"d guess today was his first pre 8th inning appearance all year...if you can, separate out his "save situation" numbers and his "non save" numbers and see what it looks like.

 

Now is it logical that it happens that way? No. But I've seen a lot of illogical things in baseball...and it seems there are quite a few closers who come in and suck when its not a save (see for example, Izzy in that same Sept. game where Dempster sucked....he came in for a non-save and sucked....but he's been lights out all year in save situations)

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