Milton Bradley

[David]

And something that happens thousands of miles away winds up hurting the Cubs.

 

Wonderful. That's just so typical.

 

I wouldn't call it hurting the Cubs. I would call the help to the Brewers in the season and the hurting of the Padres in the playoffs about equal as far as the Cubs are concerned.

 

Gotta get there first, man-dinga :wink: But I do see your point.

 

True. But I'd say the odds of Bradley hurting the Cubs if the Pads and Cubs met up in the playoffs were better than any chance the Brewers have to knock the Cubs off.

 

It's over. If we blow it in some absurdly epic fashion, you can all blame me. Hell, I almost feel inclined to really laugh in fate's face and post the pictures of the Cubs division champ gear in that other thread. ;)

[C.C.]

Torn ACL. What a complete idiot Bradley is. C'mon! Your team is in the race and you're worried about what a umpire says?

[Bruno7481]

Am I the only one who found it amusing to hear Bradley complain about someone being unprofessional?

[chuckywang]

Todd Helton is going to play a big part in how this plays out. Hes the only unbias person who knows exactly what was said.

 

Helton doesn't seem like he's interested in getting involved from his comments to the media.

[fromthestretch]

Todd Helton is going to play a big part in how this plays out. Hes the only unbias person who knows exactly what was said.

 

Helton doesn't seem like he's interested in getting involved from his comments to the media.

 

Lack of interest in spilling it to the media and lack of willingness to cooperate with an MLB investigation into the matter (if there ever is one) are two different things.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Todd Helton is going to play a big part in how this plays out. Hes the only unbias person who knows exactly what was said.

 

Helton doesn't seem like he's interested in getting involved from his comments to the media.

 

Lack of interest in spilling it to the media and lack of willingness to cooperate with an MLB investigation into the matter (if there ever is one) are two different things.

 

Very true. My guess is Helton doesn't want to comment publicly on it, yet he may still be willing to comment privately when MLB officials come calling.

[The Voice of Reason]

Torn ACL. What a complete idiot Bradley is. C'mon! Your team is in the race and you're worried about what a umpire says?

 

This is exactly why I was against bringing Bradley to the Cubs. Being a huge moron more than offsets a good OPS.

[David]

Torn ACL. What a complete idiot Bradley is. C'mon! Your team is in the race and you're worried about what a umpire says?

 

This is exactly why I was against bringing Bradley to the Cubs. Being a huge moron more than offsets a good OPS.

 

Considering what it appears was said, I think Milton's actions can be understood, if not justified.

[C.C.]

Torn ACL. What a complete idiot Bradley is. C'mon! Your team is in the race and you're worried about what a umpire says?

 

This is exactly why I was against bringing Bradley to the Cubs. Being a huge moron more than offsets a good OPS.

 

Considering what it appears was said, I think Milton's actions can be understood, if not justified.

 

Not really...He could've just let it go and dealt with it after the game. His antics where immature and stupid. Regardless what the ump said, suck it up, and deal with it like a man. Instead of looking like a child. Good lord there is only a handful of games left and your team needs you...

[Guest]

I love how people say suck it up and deal with it when a majority of people wouldn't have done it if the alleged actually happened to them. It's easy to criticize when you're that far away from the situation and the player in question is a hothead.

[C.C.]

I love how people say suck it up and deal with it when a majority of people wouldn't have done it if the alleged actually happened to them. It's easy to criticize when you're that far away from the situation and the player in question is a hothead.

 

That's hard to say. The majority of the players don't have the reputation of Milton Bradley so they wouldn't be in that situation. Whatever the case the Padres knew what they were getting when they got Bradley, and you've seen first hand why he has a bad rep. At the worst possible time of the year...

Edited September 24, 2007 by C.C.

[David]

I love how people say suck it up and deal with it when a majority of people wouldn't have done it if the alleged actually happened to them. It's easy to criticize when you're that far away from the situation and the player in question is a hothead.

 

That.

[David]

I love how people say suck it up and deal with it when a majority of people wouldn't have done it if the alleged actually happened to them. It's easy to criticize when you're that far away from the situation and the player in question is a hothead.

 

That's hard to say. The majority of the players don't have the reputation of Milton Bradley so they wouldn't be in that situation. Whatever the case the Padres knew what they had when they got Bradley, and you've seen first hand why he has a bad rep. At the worst possible time of the year...

 

That almost sounds like your trying to imply that Bradley's reputation is reason for the umpire to say to him what he allegedly said.

[C.C.]

I love how people say suck it up and deal with it when a majority of people wouldn't have done it if the alleged actually happened to them. It's easy to criticize when you're that far away from the situation and the player in question is a hothead.

 

That's hard to say. The majority of the players don't have the reputation of Milton Bradley so they wouldn't be in that situation. Whatever the case the Padres knew what they were getting when they got Bradley, and you've seen first hand why he has a bad rep. At the worst possible time of the year...

 

That almost sounds like your trying to imply that Bradley's reputation is reason for the umpire to say to him what he allegedly said.

 

It doesn't help his case...

[David]

I love how people say suck it up and deal with it when a majority of people wouldn't have done it if the alleged actually happened to them. It's easy to criticize when you're that far away from the situation and the player in question is a hothead.

 

That's hard to say. The majority of the players don't have the reputation of Milton Bradley so they wouldn't be in that situation. Whatever the case the Padres knew what they were getting when they got Bradley, and you've seen first hand why he has a bad rep. At the worst possible time of the year...

 

That almost sounds like your trying to imply that Bradley's reputation is reason for the umpire to say to him what he allegedly said.

 

It doesn't help his case...

 

Come on, so you're implying that the umpires actions are understandable and Bradley's are reprehensible? If we are to believe the initial reports, it's pretty clear that the guy in a position of authority yelling out racial slurs was in the wrong.

 

Shouldn't the ump be the one that should suck it up and be a man? If someone should be held to higher standards, it's him. Bradley just acknowledged a fan that thought the ump made a bad call, and the ump went off at him.

[C.C.]

I love how people say suck it up and deal with it when a majority of people wouldn't have done it if the alleged actually happened to them. It's easy to criticize when you're that far away from the situation and the player in question is a hothead.

 

That's hard to say. The majority of the players don't have the reputation of Milton Bradley so they wouldn't be in that situation. Whatever the case the Padres knew what they were getting when they got Bradley, and you've seen first hand why he has a bad rep. At the worst possible time of the year...

 

That almost sounds like your trying to imply that Bradley's reputation is reason for the umpire to say to him what he allegedly said.

 

It doesn't help his case...

 

Come on, so you're implying that the umpires actions are understandable and Bradley's are reprehensible? If we are to believe the initial reports, it's pretty clear that the guy in a position of authority yelling out racial slurs was in the wrong.

 

Shouldn't the ump be the one that should suck it up and be a man? If someone should be held to higher standards, it's him. Bradley just acknowledged a fan that thought the ump made a bad call, and the ump went off at him.

 

 

Of course he should. But he wasn't the one jumping up and down like a two year old now was he?

[David]

I love how people say suck it up and deal with it when a majority of people wouldn't have done it if the alleged actually happened to them. It's easy to criticize when you're that far away from the situation and the player in question is a hothead.

 

That's hard to say. The majority of the players don't have the reputation of Milton Bradley so they wouldn't be in that situation. Whatever the case the Padres knew what they were getting when they got Bradley, and you've seen first hand why he has a bad rep. At the worst possible time of the year...

 

That almost sounds like your trying to imply that Bradley's reputation is reason for the umpire to say to him what he allegedly said.

 

It doesn't help his case...

 

Come on, so you're implying that the umpires actions are understandable and Bradley's are reprehensible? If we are to believe the initial reports, it's pretty clear that the guy in a position of authority yelling out racial slurs was in the wrong.

 

Shouldn't the ump be the one that should suck it up and be a man? If someone should be held to higher standards, it's him. Bradley just acknowledged a fan that thought the ump made a bad call, and the ump went off at him.

 

 

Of course he should. But he wasn't the one jumping up and down like a two year old now was he?

 

No. He was the one allegedly yelling racial slurs at a known hot head and the one who essentially instigated the encounter.

[The Voice of Reason]

Mistakes made by both parties. Apparently the umps were ticked off at Bradley's 5th inning antics.

 

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=3033679

 

We have seen Bradley snap before, almost always after someone makes the mistake of pushing his buttons. But this latest incident set new standards in the annals of bizarre and inexplicable snap-outs.

 

It started, apparently, with a fifth-inning called strikeout that ended with Bradley's flipping his bat and initially refusing to leave the batter's box. Three innings later, with Bradley on first, first-base umpire Mike Winters and Bradley began debating that bat flip until, out of nowhere, Winters uttered the mysterious words that lit Bradley's fuse.

 

Next thing we knew, his manager, Bud Black, was sprinting toward his left fielder in a furious attempt to serve as the last line of defense between Bradley and the inevitable suspension that clearly would have awaited him if he'd ever made it to Winters' little patch of dirt.

 

Black yanked. And tugged. And pushed. And pulled. Did everything, in fact, but call out the National Guard. Until finally, he and Bradley twisted wildly.

 

And down went Bradley with one of the strangest injuries we've ever witnessed -- a right knee possibly seriously injured in a wrestling match with his own manager.

 

We're still not sure who started what. Or who was right or wrong. But it doesn't matter. Not really. At this time of year, no matter what was said or what was done, a player that important can't afford to lose control the way Milton Bradley did.

 

Since Bradley arrived from Oakland on July 7, he has batted .313 and led the Padres in both on-base percentage (.414) and slugging (.590). He has the same number of RBIs (30) as Brian Giles, but in about 100 fewer at-bats. Clearly, Bradley has been their most consistent and most important hitter. So don't underestimate what his loss would mean to this team if he's out for all of this final week.

 

 

"They can't hit," said one scout Sunday night. "The only guy on that club who is really swinging the bat well right now is [Kevin] Kouzmanoff. The other guys -- Giles, [Adrian] Gonzalez, Khalil Greene -- are incredibly streaky."

 

So losing Bradley in an incident this strange and unnecessary might have "just sabotaged what little offense that club has," the scout said. What a shame.

[C.C.]

I love how people say suck it up and deal with it when a majority of people wouldn't have done it if the alleged actually happened to them. It's easy to criticize when you're that far away from the situation and the player in question is a hothead.

 

That's hard to say. The majority of the players don't have the reputation of Milton Bradley so they wouldn't be in that situation. Whatever the case the Padres knew what they were getting when they got Bradley, and you've seen first hand why he has a bad rep. At the worst possible time of the year...

 

That almost sounds like your trying to imply that Bradley's reputation is reason for the umpire to say to him what he allegedly said.

 

It doesn't help his case...

 

Come on, so you're implying that the umpires actions are understandable and Bradley's are reprehensible? If we are to believe the initial reports, it's pretty clear that the guy in a position of authority yelling out racial slurs was in the wrong.

 

Shouldn't the ump be the one that should suck it up and be a man? If someone should be held to higher standards, it's him. Bradley just acknowledged a fan that thought the ump made a bad call, and the ump went off at him.

 

 

Of course he should. But he wasn't the one jumping up and down like a two year old now was he?

 

No. He was the one allegedly yelling racial slurs at a known hot head and the one who essentially instigated the encounter.

 

Racial Slurs? Don't know where you got that? I just read two articles and it said noting about racial slurs.

[C.C.]

Mistakes made by both parties. Apparently the umps were ticked off at Bradley's 5th inning antics.

 

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=3033679

 

We have seen Bradley snap before, almost always after someone makes the mistake of pushing his buttons. But this latest incident set new standards in the annals of bizarre and inexplicable snap-outs.

 

It started, apparently, with a fifth-inning called strikeout that ended with Bradley's flipping his bat and initially refusing to leave the batter's box. Three innings later, with Bradley on first, first-base umpire Mike Winters and Bradley began debating that bat flip until, out of nowhere, Winters uttered the mysterious words that lit Bradley's fuse.

 

Next thing we knew, his manager, Bud Black, was sprinting toward his left fielder in a furious attempt to serve as the last line of defense between Bradley and the inevitable suspension that clearly would have awaited him if he'd ever made it to Winters' little patch of dirt.

 

Black yanked. And tugged. And pushed. And pulled. Did everything, in fact, but call out the National Guard. Until finally, he and Bradley twisted wildly.

 

And down went Bradley with one of the strangest injuries we've ever witnessed -- a right knee possibly seriously injured in a wrestling match with his own manager.

 

We're still not sure who started what. Or who was right or wrong. But it doesn't matter. Not really. At this time of year, no matter what was said or what was done, a player that important can't afford to lose control the way Milton Bradley did.

 

Since Bradley arrived from Oakland on July 7, he has batted .313 and led the Padres in both on-base percentage (.414) and slugging (.590). He has the same number of RBIs (30) as Brian Giles, but in about 100 fewer at-bats. Clearly, Bradley has been their most consistent and most important hitter. So don't underestimate what his loss would mean to this team if he's out for all of this final week.

 

 

"They can't hit," said one scout Sunday night. "The only guy on that club who is really swinging the bat well right now is [Kevin] Kouzmanoff. The other guys -- Giles, [Adrian] Gonzalez, Khalil Greene -- are incredibly streaky."

 

So losing Bradley in an incident this strange and unnecessary might have "just sabotaged what little offense that club has," the scout said. What a shame.

 

The bolded part is the only thing that matters. That's all I'm trying to say.

[jjgman21]

has there been any update on the condition of Cameron's hand?

[David]

Racial Slurs? Don't know where you got that? I just read two articles and it said noting about racial slurs.

 

 

Bradley said Winters called him “a (expletive) piece of (expletive).”

 

Said Meacham: “In my 26 years of baseball, that was the most disconcerting conversation I have heard from an umpire to a player. The way Winters responded was bizarre. It was almost like he wanted to agitate the situation.

 

“I was appalled. That's why the game stopped.”

 

Meacham moved toward the foul line and turned toward Winters from the distance of about 10 feet.

 

“I couldn't believe what I was hearing,” said Meacham. “Milton did not use foul language. The umpire, absolutely. He called Milton a name (apparently after Bradley had pointed in the direction of a fan who was booing Winters). That's when I stepped on the field and said, 'You cannot do that.'

 

“Even before that, I was saying this is wrong, this is ridiculous. The name that Winters called Milton, had he said it to me, I would have rushed him. No one is going to take that.”

 

Asked whether what Winters said had racial overtones, Meacham, who, like Bradley, is black, replied, “It smacked of that tone.”

 

 

Read into that what you will. I don't think it's unreasonable to take from that that he said something along those lines.

 

Or Meacham could just be exaggerating/overreacting. Who knows?

[CuseCubFan69]

Mistakes made by both parties. Apparently the umps were ticked off at Bradley's 5th inning antics.

 

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=3033679

 

We have seen Bradley snap before, almost always after someone makes the mistake of pushing his buttons. But this latest incident set new standards in the annals of bizarre and inexplicable snap-outs.

 

It started, apparently, with a fifth-inning called strikeout that ended with Bradley's flipping his bat and initially refusing to leave the batter's box. Three innings later, with Bradley on first, first-base umpire Mike Winters and Bradley began debating that bat flip until, out of nowhere, Winters uttered the mysterious words that lit Bradley's fuse.

 

Next thing we knew, his manager, Bud Black, was sprinting toward his left fielder in a furious attempt to serve as the last line of defense between Bradley and the inevitable suspension that clearly would have awaited him if he'd ever made it to Winters' little patch of dirt.

 

Black yanked. And tugged. And pushed. And pulled. Did everything, in fact, but call out the National Guard. Until finally, he and Bradley twisted wildly.

 

And down went Bradley with one of the strangest injuries we've ever witnessed -- a right knee possibly seriously injured in a wrestling match with his own manager.

 

We're still not sure who started what. Or who was right or wrong. But it doesn't matter. Not really. At this time of year, no matter what was said or what was done, a player that important can't afford to lose control the way Milton Bradley did.

 

Since Bradley arrived from Oakland on July 7, he has batted .313 and led the Padres in both on-base percentage (.414) and slugging (.590). He has the same number of RBIs (30) as Brian Giles, but in about 100 fewer at-bats. Clearly, Bradley has been their most consistent and most important hitter. So don't underestimate what his loss would mean to this team if he's out for all of this final week.

 

 

"They can't hit," said one scout Sunday night. "The only guy on that club who is really swinging the bat well right now is [Kevin] Kouzmanoff. The other guys -- Giles, [Adrian] Gonzalez, Khalil Greene -- are incredibly streaky."

 

So losing Bradley in an incident this strange and unnecessary might have "just sabotaged what little offense that club has," the scout said. What a shame.

 

The bolded part is the only thing that matters. That's all I'm trying to say.

 

The fact that it was an ump that got him peeved like this is just plain wrong to me. Again, if that ump or any other had a problem with Bradley they should have said something when the alleged bat flip took place.

[Soul]

And something that happens thousands of miles away winds up hurting the Cubs.

 

Wonderful. That's just so typical.

 

I wouldn't call it hurting the Cubs. I would call the help to the Brewers in the season and the hurting of the Padres in the playoffs about equal as far as the Cubs are concerned.

 

Gotta get there first, man-dinga :wink: But I do see your point.

 

True. But I'd say the odds of Bradley hurting the Cubs if the Pads and Cubs met up in the playoffs were better than any chance the Brewers have to knock the Cubs off.

 

It's over. If we blow it in some absurdly epic fashion, you can all blame me. Hell, I almost feel inclined to really laugh in fate's face and post the pictures of the Cubs division champ gear in that other thread. ;)

 

LOL, cool. You've got enough guts for both of us then 8-)

[C.C.]

Mistakes made by both parties. Apparently the umps were ticked off at Bradley's 5th inning antics.

 

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=3033679

 

We have seen Bradley snap before, almost always after someone makes the mistake of pushing his buttons. But this latest incident set new standards in the annals of bizarre and inexplicable snap-outs.

 

It started, apparently, with a fifth-inning called strikeout that ended with Bradley's flipping his bat and initially refusing to leave the batter's box. Three innings later, with Bradley on first, first-base umpire Mike Winters and Bradley began debating that bat flip until, out of nowhere, Winters uttered the mysterious words that lit Bradley's fuse.

 

Next thing we knew, his manager, Bud Black, was sprinting toward his left fielder in a furious attempt to serve as the last line of defense between Bradley and the inevitable suspension that clearly would have awaited him if he'd ever made it to Winters' little patch of dirt.

 

Black yanked. And tugged. And pushed. And pulled. Did everything, in fact, but call out the National Guard. Until finally, he and Bradley twisted wildly.

 

And down went Bradley with one of the strangest injuries we've ever witnessed -- a right knee possibly seriously injured in a wrestling match with his own manager.

 

We're still not sure who started what. Or who was right or wrong. But it doesn't matter. Not really. At this time of year, no matter what was said or what was done, a player that important can't afford to lose control the way Milton Bradley did.

 

Since Bradley arrived from Oakland on July 7, he has batted .313 and led the Padres in both on-base percentage (.414) and slugging (.590). He has the same number of RBIs (30) as Brian Giles, but in about 100 fewer at-bats. Clearly, Bradley has been their most consistent and most important hitter. So don't underestimate what his loss would mean to this team if he's out for all of this final week.

 

 

"They can't hit," said one scout Sunday night. "The only guy on that club who is really swinging the bat well right now is [Kevin] Kouzmanoff. The other guys -- Giles, [Adrian] Gonzalez, Khalil Greene -- are incredibly streaky."

 

So losing Bradley in an incident this strange and unnecessary might have "just sabotaged what little offense that club has," the scout said. What a shame.

 

The bolded part is the only thing that matters. That's all I'm trying to say.

 

The fact that it was an ump that got him peeved like this is just plain wrong to me. Again, if that ump or any other had a problem with Bradley they should have said something when the alleged bat flip took place.

 

Or if Bradley just kept his mouth shut and wait until the game (He already waited 3 innings) was over, none of this would've happened. Whatever the case I hope it was worth it for the ump (it might cost his job) or Bradley (playoffs). In both cases it was poorly handled.