9/22 - Pirates (Duke) vs. Cubs (Hill) - WGN - 12:05

[UMFan83]

Monroe doesn't get out!

[ninetynineplus]

lets get through the pitchers spot!!!

[CubmanPi]

Monroe with a BB. He wasn't worthless that AB!!

[erik316wttn]

The big three is doing it all today.

 

And I know it's a meaningless stat, but that 100 RBI line always looks nice.

 

RBI is not meaningless.

 

When it comes to evaluating an individual player's performance, yes, it pretty much is.

 

So if there was a player the Cubs acquired who had 125 RBI last season, you wouldn't think that would be meanginful?

[inari]

The big three is doing it all today.

 

And I know it's a meaningless stat, but that 100 RBI line always looks nice.

 

RBI is not meaningless.

 

When it comes to evaluating an individual player's performance, yes, it pretty much is.

 

That's what I was going for. It's obviously meaningful in the sense that it gave your team runs, but really, it means nothing when judging individual players.

 

Hill's going deep here. I'm calling it.

[Jazz]

how is that not an error?

[CubmanPi]

Theriot sharp line drive to short, misplayed, credited with single.

[Little Slide Rooter]

A Rich Hill base hit would be huge.

[jjgman21]

The big three is doing it all today.

 

And I know it's a meaningless stat, but that 100 RBI line always looks nice.

 

RBI is not meaningless.

 

When it comes to evaluating an individual player's performance, yes, it pretty much is.

 

because the stats show that batters are no better in "clutch" situations than in "nonclutch" situations.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6014/situational;_ylt=AiOdIGbve4WS2MzSUeKPdn6FCLcF

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6014/situational;_ylt=AtxcXjhol3bdxrEebElBtkCFCLcF?year=2006&type=Batting

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6014/situational;_ylt=Amw.C6HHjgFt5wyeyBBVp1iFCLcF?year=2005&type=Batting

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6014/situational;_ylt=Aki4QRrJIYdEN9f6.fHIaI.FCLcF?year=2004&type=Batting

 

accept the stats show Aramis is better in clutch situations year after year.

[Outshined_One]

So if there was a player the Cubs acquired who had 125 RBI last season, you wouldn't think that would be meanginful?

 

In terms of a player's ability, what do you think RBI quantifies?

[UMFan83]

The big three is doing it all today.

 

And I know it's a meaningless stat, but that 100 RBI line always looks nice.

 

RBI is not meaningless.

 

When it comes to evaluating an individual player's performance, yes, it pretty much is.

 

So if there was a player the Cubs acquired who had 125 RBI last season, you wouldn't think that would be meanginful?

 

No but Craig Monroe had 92 RBI and Alfonso Soriano had 95 RBI last year. Pretty close numbers until you realize that Monroe batted largely 5th for a powerful offense when Soriano hit leadoff for a weak offense

[ninetynineplus]

LOAD 'EM UP

[Jazz]

The big three is doing it all today.

 

And I know it's a meaningless stat, but that 100 RBI line always looks nice.

 

RBI is not meaningless.

 

When it comes to evaluating an individual player's performance, yes, it pretty much is.

 

So if there was a player the Cubs acquired who had 125 RBI last season, you wouldn't think that would be meanginful?

 

as far as at the end of the day, meaningful for the outcome of the W-L record, it would be. But if a team playing on the royals didnt have as many RBI's as a guy on the yankees it means nothing if your comparing who is a better individual player.

[UMFan83]

Damn I thought Hill had a hit there.

[ninetynineplus]

64 PITCHES

[CubmanPi]

Hill out, top of the lineup in the fourth. Good inning, Cobs.

[erik316wttn]

So if there was a player the Cubs acquired who had 125 RBI last season, you wouldn't think that would be meanginful?

 

In terms of a player's ability, what do you think RBI quantifies?

 

Ability to be patient, to wait for a good pitch and get hits with RISP. OBP can also measure plate patience, as well as P/PA

 

I know this isn't a popular opinion on here, but RBI's are meaningless why? Because Billy Beane says so?

[Outshined_One]

Damn I thought Hill had a hit there.

 

Duke made a nice play. I thought that would bounce off of him or get past him with a weird hop.

[Jazz]

So if there was a player the Cubs acquired who had 125 RBI last season, you wouldn't think that would be meanginful?

 

In terms of a player's ability, what do you think RBI quantifies?

 

Ability to be patient, to wait for a good pitch and get hits with RISP. OBP can also measure plate patience, as well as P/PA

 

I know this isn't a popular opinion on here, but RBI's are meaningless why? Because Billy Beane says so?

 

because a player has no control over whether or not the guy in front of him gets on.

[inari]

The big three is doing it all today.

 

And I know it's a meaningless stat, but that 100 RBI line always looks nice.

 

RBI is not meaningless.

 

When it comes to evaluating an individual player's performance, yes, it pretty much is.

 

because the stats show that batters are no better in "clutch" situations than in "nonclutch" situations.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6014/situational;_ylt=AiOdIGbve4WS2MzSUeKPdn6FCLcF

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6014/situational;_ylt=AtxcXjhol3bdxrEebElBtkCFCLcF?year=2006&type=Batting

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6014/situational;_ylt=Amw.C6HHjgFt5wyeyBBVp1iFCLcF?year=2005&type=Batting

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6014/situational;_ylt=Aki4QRrJIYdEN9f6.fHIaI.FCLcF?year=2004&type=Batting

 

accept the stats show Aramis is better in clutch situations year after year.

 

It's simply a statistical anomaly. No correlation has ever been shown in any player, ever. It's completely random.

[C.C.]

Duke will probably pitch 1 more inning and be taking out...

[erik316wttn]

The big three is doing it all today.

 

And I know it's a meaningless stat, but that 100 RBI line always looks nice.

 

RBI is not meaningless.

 

When it comes to evaluating an individual player's performance, yes, it pretty much is.

 

So if there was a player the Cubs acquired who had 125 RBI last season, you wouldn't think that would be meanginful?

 

as far as at the end of the day, meaningful for the outcome of the W-L record, it would be. But if a team playing on the royals didnt have as many RBI's as a guy on the yankees it means nothing if your comparing who is a better individual player.

 

This is true. On RBI alone you can't tell. But it's one of the stats I'd consider.

[David]

The big three is doing it all today.

 

And I know it's a meaningless stat, but that 100 RBI line always looks nice.

 

RBI is not meaningless.

 

When it comes to evaluating an individual player's performance, yes, it pretty much is.

 

So if there was a player the Cubs acquired who had 125 RBI last season, you wouldn't think that would be meanginful?

 

Nope. You can't really tell much from that.

 

It's almost tantamount to acquiring Sean Estes after 04 because he won 15 games. It's a stat that's extremely dependent on the rest of the team and a good amount of luck as well.

 

 

Should the Dodgers have signed Pierre to that contract last year because he got to the ever-meaningful 200 hit total last year?

 

EDIT - I realize that the Pierre stat is, however, not a team-dependent stat, but it shares the flaw that it's a counting stat and not a rate stat, and one that doesn't say a lot about a player but that people put a whole lot of stock into.

Edited September 22, 2007 by David

[Jazz]

boo Not Vance.

 

oh great he has lung cancer. im going to hell.

[UMFan83]

Duke will probably pitch 1 more inning and be taking out...

 

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I want Zach Duke to stay in!