College Football - Week of 9/8

[CuseCubFan69]

So this brings us back to my earlier question you never answered. If a playoff system and a poll system are both poor, how would you crown a champion?

 

A complicated algorithm is going to be the best way. It's too bad people are too stupid to accept it. A lot of the posters here included.

 

Maybe you should explain it to all of us genius? So we can understand it because we'll not nearly as bright as you think you are.

 

It really is fun to see how worked up you get. These college football threads always bring out the best in you.

 

Yeah, they really do for some strange reason. I feel like the proverbial hippy that screams against the establishment when it comes to this topic. Just trying to stick it to the man I suppose.

 

I wonder how much Syracuse winning a couple of games a season would help :wink:

 

Not until you take that coach of yours back will we be able to do that!

[shnsajax]

So this brings us back to my earlier question you never answered. If a playoff system and a poll system are both poor, how would you crown a champion?

 

A complicated algorithm is going to be the best way. It's too bad people are too stupid to accept it. A lot of the posters here included.

 

Maybe you should explain it to all of us genius? So we can understand it because we'll not nearly as bright as you think you are.

 

It really is fun to see how worked up you get. These college football threads always bring out the best in you.

 

Yeah, they really do for some strange reason. I feel like the proverbial hippy that screams against the establishment when it comes to this topic. Just trying to stick it to the man I suppose.

 

I wonder how much Syracuse winning a couple of games a season would help :wink:

 

Not until you take that coach of yours back will we be able to do that!

 

I perfer to take Gene Chizik back first.

[dew1679666265]

So this brings us back to my earlier question you never answered. If a playoff system and a poll system are both poor, how would you crown a champion?

 

A complicated algorithm is going to be the best way. It's too bad people are too stupid to accept it. A lot of the posters here included.

 

Maybe you should explain it to all of us genius? So we can understand it because we'll not nearly as bright as you think you are.

 

It really is fun to see how worked up you get. These college football threads always bring out the best in you.

 

Yeah, they really do for some strange reason. I feel like the proverbial hippy that screams against the establishment when it comes to this topic. Just trying to stick it to the man I suppose.

 

but youre going for the establishment. so youre a fake?

 

Yeah, ok.

 

Well anyways IMB. Eastern football has had a tough time breaking the established midwestern/southern griphold on college football and I've been frustrated with it for years. The Penn States that went 11-0 and get voted 2nd or 3rd and now to still have that problem even though the teams in the BE are quite competitive. Are they better, who knows but they often are ranked under any of the " old power conferences" if they have the same record at a very alarming rate. Just look at the last polls for 2006. If a BE team has the same record as one of the Big 10, Big 12, SEC, USC or ND they are almost always ranked behind them. You guys that are in these conferences or teams have had this God given right and imo don't realize it's happening, choose to ignore it or think they're always better. Just look at the voting of the Heismans, the voters always go by area or section of the country on who they vote for and people talk about eastern bias well believe me, it sure as heck isn't in college football. So ya, it frustrates me because they don't allow this to be determined on the field and if they do get a playoff you better believe the good ole boys will control how it works and manipulate it to their benefit. The Barry Alverez types will keep the OSU and Michigan teams in it until they are forced out with 2 losses while if a BE team losses once they are out of the hunt, no matter how good the league is. Don't get me wrong, last year OSU deserved to play the final but a few teams like Louisville and Boise St as you know deserved a shot to be playing them and Michigan and Florida were the only 2 that had a chance.

 

You're getting a bit paranoid with the conspiracies here Cuse. The beauty of a playoff system is that it takes the opinions out of choosing who the most deserving team is.

 

What exactly are you saying? The playoffs would be set up where every midwestern/southern team gets two playoff losses while every other gets only one? There's no way that would fly (or even be proposed) and I think you know it.

 

Care to explain how they "good ole boy network" could rig a playoff system?

[CuseCubFan69]

Well anyways IMB. Eastern football has had a tough time breaking the established midwestern/southern griphold on college football and I've been frustrated with it for years. The Penn States that went 11-0 and get voted 2nd or 3rd and now to still have that problem even though the teams in the BE are quite competitive. Are they better, who knows but they often are ranked under any of the " old power conferences" if they have the same record at a very alarming rate. Just look at the last polls for 2006. If a BE team has the same record as one of the Big 10, Big 12, SEC, USC or ND they are almost always ranked behind them. You guys that are in these conferences or teams have had this God given right and imo don't realize it's happening, choose to ignore it or think they're always better. Just look at the voting of the Heismans, the voters always go by area or section of the country on who they vote for and people talk about eastern bias well believe me, it sure as heck isn't in college football. So ya, it frustrates me because they don't allow this to be determined on the field and if they do get a playoff you better believe the good ole boys will control how it works and manipulate it to their benefit. The Barry Alverez types will keep the OSU and Michigan teams in it until they are forced out with 2 losses while if a BE team losses once they are out of the hunt, no matter how good the league is. Don't get me wrong, last year OSU deserved to play the final but a few teams like Louisville and Boise St as you know deserved a shot to be playing them and Michigan and Florida were the only 2 that had a chance.

 

You're getting a bit paranoid with the conspiracies here Cuse. The beauty of a playoff system is that it takes the opinions out of choosing who the most deserving team is.

 

What exactly are you saying? The playoffs would be set up where every midwestern/southern team gets two playoff losses while every other gets only one? There's no way that would fly (or even be proposed) and I think you know it.

 

Care to explain how they "good ole boy network" could rig a playoff system?

 

Because they (gob) control the bowl system.

 

If there was a playoff system last year, Who was going to go? OSU, Florida, USC and Oklahoma/Michigan. Did you see a BE team there? Once one lost they were booted out. Why?

 

Penn State blows through the Big 10 and then has a somewhat close game in the bowl, this effected them even then. They are no longer #1, Nebraska is. If you look throughout college football history for the past 40 years or so you'll see the discrepancies of this. A lot of posters get peeved on how ND always gets the benefit of doubt but the BE is the bastard son of college football and the PAC 10 isn't far behind. Just look through the polls throughout the last 40 years and tell me when you see an eastern team with the same record as the ones I've mentioned be ranked ahead of them. The last time Syracuse was undefeated in 87 they were still ranked behind a 1 loss gob team. Heck, Florida and Auburn have moaned about this in the resent past but they've also benefited from this when it came to ties with an eastern team.

[Exile on Waveland]

Well anyways IMB. Eastern football has had a tough time breaking the established midwestern/southern griphold on college football and I've been frustrated with it for years. The Penn States that went 11-0 and get voted 2nd or 3rd and now to still have that problem even though the teams in the BE are quite competitive. Are they better, who knows but they often are ranked under any of the " old power conferences" if they have the same record at a very alarming rate. Just look at the last polls for 2006. If a BE team has the same record as one of the Big 10, Big 12, SEC, USC or ND they are almost always ranked behind them. You guys that are in these conferences or teams have had this God given right and imo don't realize it's happening, choose to ignore it or think they're always better. Just look at the voting of the Heismans, the voters always go by area or section of the country on who they vote for and people talk about eastern bias well believe me, it sure as heck isn't in college football. So ya, it frustrates me because they don't allow this to be determined on the field and if they do get a playoff you better believe the good ole boys will control how it works and manipulate it to their benefit. The Barry Alverez types will keep the OSU and Michigan teams in it until they are forced out with 2 losses while if a BE team losses once they are out of the hunt, no matter how good the league is. Don't get me wrong, last year OSU deserved to play the final but a few teams like Louisville and Boise St as you know deserved a shot to be playing them and Michigan and Florida were the only 2 that had a chance.

 

You're getting a bit paranoid with the conspiracies here Cuse. The beauty of a playoff system is that it takes the opinions out of choosing who the most deserving team is.

 

What exactly are you saying? The playoffs would be set up where every midwestern/southern team gets two playoff losses while every other gets only one? There's no way that would fly (or even be proposed) and I think you know it.

 

Care to explain how they "good ole boy network" could rig a playoff system?

 

Because they (gob) control the bowl system.

 

If there was a playoff system last year, Who was going to go? OSU, Florida, USC and Oklahoma/Michigan. Did you see a BE team there? Once one lost they were booted out. Why?

 

Penn State blows through the Big 10 and then has a somewhat close game in the bowl, this effected them even then. They are no longer #1, Nebraska is. If you look throughout college football history for the past 40 years or so you'll see the discrepancies of this. A lot of posters get peeved on how ND always gets the benefit of doubt but the BE is the bastard son of college football and the PAC 10 isn't far behind. Just look through the polls throughout the last 40 years and tell me when you see an eastern team with the same record as the ones I've mentioned be ranked ahead of them. The last time Syracuse was undefeated in 87 they were still ranked behind a 1 loss gob team. Heck, Florida and Auburn have moaned about this in the resent past but they've also benefited from this when it came to ties with an eastern team.

 

Penn State didn't blow through Indiana and Chris Dittoe. That's what cost them the title. Go Hoosiers.

[CuseCubFan69]

Well anyways IMB. Eastern football has had a tough time breaking the established midwestern/southern griphold on college football and I've been frustrated with it for years. The Penn States that went 11-0 and get voted 2nd or 3rd and now to still have that problem even though the teams in the BE are quite competitive. Are they better, who knows but they often are ranked under any of the " old power conferences" if they have the same record at a very alarming rate. Just look at the last polls for 2006. If a BE team has the same record as one of the Big 10, Big 12, SEC, USC or ND they are almost always ranked behind them. You guys that are in these conferences or teams have had this God given right and imo don't realize it's happening, choose to ignore it or think they're always better. Just look at the voting of the Heismans, the voters always go by area or section of the country on who they vote for and people talk about eastern bias well believe me, it sure as heck isn't in college football. So ya, it frustrates me because they don't allow this to be determined on the field and if they do get a playoff you better believe the good ole boys will control how it works and manipulate it to their benefit. The Barry Alverez types will keep the OSU and Michigan teams in it until they are forced out with 2 losses while if a BE team losses once they are out of the hunt, no matter how good the league is. Don't get me wrong, last year OSU deserved to play the final but a few teams like Louisville and Boise St as you know deserved a shot to be playing them and Michigan and Florida were the only 2 that had a chance.

 

You're getting a bit paranoid with the conspiracies here Cuse. The beauty of a playoff system is that it takes the opinions out of choosing who the most deserving team is.

 

What exactly are you saying? The playoffs would be set up where every midwestern/southern team gets two playoff losses while every other gets only one? There's no way that would fly (or even be proposed) and I think you know it.

 

Care to explain how they "good ole boy network" could rig a playoff system?

 

Because they (gob) control the bowl system.

 

If there was a playoff system last year, Who was going to go? OSU, Florida, USC and Oklahoma/Michigan. Did you see a BE team there? Once one lost they were booted out. Why?

 

Penn State blows through the Big 10 and then has a somewhat close game in the bowl, this effected them even then. They are no longer #1, Nebraska is. If you look throughout college football history for the past 40 years or so you'll see the discrepancies of this. A lot of posters get peeved on how ND always gets the benefit of doubt but the BE is the bastard son of college football and the PAC 10 isn't far behind. Just look through the polls throughout the last 40 years and tell me when you see an eastern team with the same record as the ones I've mentioned be ranked ahead of them. The last time Syracuse was undefeated in 87 they were still ranked 4th and behind a 1 loss gob team. Heck, Florida and Auburn have moaned about this in the resent past but they've also benefited from this when it came to ties with an eastern team.

 

Penn State didn't blow through Indiana and Chris Dittoe. That's what cost them the title. Go Hoosiers.

 

:D

That's right, they didn't blow them out like the rest of the league.

[dew1679666265]

Well anyways IMB. Eastern football has had a tough time breaking the established midwestern/southern griphold on college football and I've been frustrated with it for years. The Penn States that went 11-0 and get voted 2nd or 3rd and now to still have that problem even though the teams in the BE are quite competitive. Are they better, who knows but they often are ranked under any of the " old power conferences" if they have the same record at a very alarming rate. Just look at the last polls for 2006. If a BE team has the same record as one of the Big 10, Big 12, SEC, USC or ND they are almost always ranked behind them. You guys that are in these conferences or teams have had this God given right and imo don't realize it's happening, choose to ignore it or think they're always better. Just look at the voting of the Heismans, the voters always go by area or section of the country on who they vote for and people talk about eastern bias well believe me, it sure as heck isn't in college football. So ya, it frustrates me because they don't allow this to be determined on the field and if they do get a playoff you better believe the good ole boys will control how it works and manipulate it to their benefit. The Barry Alverez types will keep the OSU and Michigan teams in it until they are forced out with 2 losses while if a BE team losses once they are out of the hunt, no matter how good the league is. Don't get me wrong, last year OSU deserved to play the final but a few teams like Louisville and Boise St as you know deserved a shot to be playing them and Michigan and Florida were the only 2 that had a chance.

 

You're getting a bit paranoid with the conspiracies here Cuse. The beauty of a playoff system is that it takes the opinions out of choosing who the most deserving team is.

 

What exactly are you saying? The playoffs would be set up where every midwestern/southern team gets two playoff losses while every other gets only one? There's no way that would fly (or even be proposed) and I think you know it.

 

Care to explain how they "good ole boy network" could rig a playoff system?

 

Because they (gob) control the bowl system.

 

If there was a playoff system last year, Who was going to go? OSU, Florida, USC and Oklahoma/Michigan. Did you see a BE team there? Once one lost they were booted out. Why?

 

Penn State blows through the Big 10 and then has a somewhat close game in the bowl, this effected them even then. They are no longer #1, Nebraska is. If you look throughout college football history for the past 40 years or so you'll see the discrepancies of this. A lot of posters get peeved on how ND always gets the benefit of doubt but the BE is the bastard son of college football and the PAC 10 isn't far behind. Just look through the polls throughout the last 40 years and tell me when you see an eastern team with the same record as the ones I've mentioned be ranked ahead of them. The last time Syracuse was undefeated in 87 they were still ranked behind a 1 loss gob team. Heck, Florida and Auburn have moaned about this in the resent past but they've also benefited from this when it came to ties with an eastern team.

 

A true playoff system eliminates the problem of bias in polls. It eliminates polls altogether. Most true playoff systems that have been proposed have some variation of every conference winner going (sometimes just every current BCS conference winner) and perhaps some wildcard-type teams. I see no way to rig that. No way.

 

As for lesser playoff systems (top 4 playoff, etc), there would still be polls and thus would not clear up the problem of bias. Love it or hate it, so long as there are polls there will be bias built in. The only way to get bias out of the system is to take away opinion.

 

I see no way for the "good ole boys" to rig a true playoff system, though.

[Exile on Waveland]

Well anyways IMB. Eastern football has had a tough time breaking the established midwestern/southern griphold on college football and I've been frustrated with it for years. The Penn States that went 11-0 and get voted 2nd or 3rd and now to still have that problem even though the teams in the BE are quite competitive. Are they better, who knows but they often are ranked under any of the " old power conferences" if they have the same record at a very alarming rate. Just look at the last polls for 2006. If a BE team has the same record as one of the Big 10, Big 12, SEC, USC or ND they are almost always ranked behind them. You guys that are in these conferences or teams have had this God given right and imo don't realize it's happening, choose to ignore it or think they're always better. Just look at the voting of the Heismans, the voters always go by area or section of the country on who they vote for and people talk about eastern bias well believe me, it sure as heck isn't in college football. So ya, it frustrates me because they don't allow this to be determined on the field and if they do get a playoff you better believe the good ole boys will control how it works and manipulate it to their benefit. The Barry Alverez types will keep the OSU and Michigan teams in it until they are forced out with 2 losses while if a BE team losses once they are out of the hunt, no matter how good the league is. Don't get me wrong, last year OSU deserved to play the final but a few teams like Louisville and Boise St as you know deserved a shot to be playing them and Michigan and Florida were the only 2 that had a chance.

 

You're getting a bit paranoid with the conspiracies here Cuse. The beauty of a playoff system is that it takes the opinions out of choosing who the most deserving team is.

 

What exactly are you saying? The playoffs would be set up where every midwestern/southern team gets two playoff losses while every other gets only one? There's no way that would fly (or even be proposed) and I think you know it.

 

Care to explain how they "good ole boy network" could rig a playoff system?

 

Because they (gob) control the bowl system.

 

If there was a playoff system last year, Who was going to go? OSU, Florida, USC and Oklahoma/Michigan. Did you see a BE team there? Once one lost they were booted out. Why?

 

Penn State blows through the Big 10 and then has a somewhat close game in the bowl, this effected them even then. They are no longer #1, Nebraska is. If you look throughout college football history for the past 40 years or so you'll see the discrepancies of this. A lot of posters get peeved on how ND always gets the benefit of doubt but the BE is the bastard son of college football and the PAC 10 isn't far behind. Just look through the polls throughout the last 40 years and tell me when you see an eastern team with the same record as the ones I've mentioned be ranked ahead of them. The last time Syracuse was undefeated in 87 they were still ranked 4th and behind a 1 loss gob team. Heck, Florida and Auburn have moaned about this in the resent past but they've also benefited from this when it came to ties with an eastern team.

 

Penn State didn't blow through Indiana and Chris Dittoe. That's what cost them the title. Go Hoosiers.

 

:D

That's right, they didn't blow them out like the rest of the league.

 

In football, us Hoosiers take pride in what we can.

[Slugger_16]

If it isn't ND this, it's Good Ol' Boys that. These are old and overdone arguments.

 

New blood, please.

 

 

How about this: Steve Spurrier, great coach or greatest coach.

 

Discuss.

[CuseCubFan69]

A true playoff system eliminates the problem of bias in polls. It eliminates polls altogether. Most true playoff systems that have been proposed have some variation of every conference winner going (sometimes just every current BCS conference winner) and perhaps some wildcard-type teams. I see no way to rig that. No way.

 

As for lesser playoff systems (top 4 playoff, etc), there would still be polls and thus would not clear up the problem of bias. Love it or hate it, so long as there are polls there will be bias built in. The only way to get bias out of the system is to take away opinion.

 

I see no way for the "good ole boys" to rig a true playoff system, though.

 

Let's say the 6 BCS conference winners go. 2 spots left. Not a chance in horse hockey would the BE get one of the 2 remaining spots. That gives the SEC, Big 10 or 12 another team. Last year a 10-2 Rutgers or WV wouldn't have been seriously considered. The last 2 would have been either Michigan, Texas or LSU. Why, they travel. What does travel mean? Big money. GOB's like big money as does any businessman. It's rigged brother, trust me. That's just part of it. Who makes the decisions? It sure isn't anyone from out this way. Where are the bowls? Not here. Yes, they are not in the midwest either but the Big 10 has a heck of a lot of power when it comes to collegian football decisions. Just look at the Rose Bowl and how they won't give that deal up. It's tradition and a heck of a lot of money....and power.

[Jon]

If it isn't ND this, it's Good Ol' Boys that. These are old and overdone arguments.

 

New blood, please.

 

 

How about this: Steve Spurrier, great coach or greatest coach.

 

Discuss.

Click clack

[CuseCubFan69]

If it isn't ND this, it's Good Ol' Boys that. These are old and overdone arguments.

 

New blood, please.

 

 

How about this: Steve Spurrier, great coach or greatest coach.

 

Discuss.

 

A nice win but let's see if he can get a 10 win season there.

[Exile on Waveland]

A true playoff system eliminates the problem of bias in polls. It eliminates polls altogether. Most true playoff systems that have been proposed have some variation of every conference winner going (sometimes just every current BCS conference winner) and perhaps some wildcard-type teams. I see no way to rig that. No way.

 

As for lesser playoff systems (top 4 playoff, etc), there would still be polls and thus would not clear up the problem of bias. Love it or hate it, so long as there are polls there will be bias built in. The only way to get bias out of the system is to take away opinion.

 

I see no way for the "good ole boys" to rig a true playoff system, though.

 

Let's say the 6 BCS conference winners go. 2 spots left. Not a chance in horse hockey would the BE get one of the 2 remaining spots. That gives the SEC, Big 10 or 12 another team. Last year a 10-2 Rutgers or WV wouldn't have been seriously considered. The last 2 would have been either Michigan, Texas or LSU. Why, they travel. What does travel mean? Big money. GOB's like big money as does any businessman. It's rigged brother, trust me. That's just part of it. Who makes the decisions? It sure isn't anyone from out this way. Where are the bowls? Not here. Yes, they are not in the midwest either but the Big 10 has a heck of a lot of power when it comes to collegian football decisions. Just look at the Rose Bowl and how they won't give that deal up. It's tradition and a heck of a lot of money....and power.

 

All bias aside, if there was a playoff last year LSU likely would've won it. Travel or not, they were deserving.

[dew1679666265]

A true playoff system eliminates the problem of bias in polls. It eliminates polls altogether. Most true playoff systems that have been proposed have some variation of every conference winner going (sometimes just every current BCS conference winner) and perhaps some wildcard-type teams. I see no way to rig that. No way.

 

As for lesser playoff systems (top 4 playoff, etc), there would still be polls and thus would not clear up the problem of bias. Love it or hate it, so long as there are polls there will be bias built in. The only way to get bias out of the system is to take away opinion.

 

I see no way for the "good ole boys" to rig a true playoff system, though.

 

Let's say the 6 BCS conference winners go. 2 spots left. Not a chance in horse hockey would the BE get one of the 2 remaining spots. That gives the SEC, Big 10 or 12 another team. Last year a 10-2 Rutgers or WV wouldn't have been seriously considered. The last 2 would have been either Michigan, Texas or LSU. Why, they travel. What does travel mean? Big money. GOB's like big money as does any businessman. It's rigged brother, trust me. That's just part of it. Who makes the decisions? It sure isn't anyone from out this way. Where are the bowls? Not here. Yes, they are not in the midwest either but the Big 10 has a heck of a lot of power when it comes to collegian football decisions. Just look at the Rose Bowl and how they won't give that deal up. It's tradition and a heck of a lot of money....and power.

 

I realize the current system is based off of how much profit the college presidents can rack up - that's why there's no chance of a playoff system.

 

But again, if there were a true playoff system, you would not rely on polls. Therefore, you would have teams earning their way into the playoffs, not making it in because some coaches and sportswriters - the vast majority of whom watch a very small number of games - think you're the best.

 

Now I realize eliminating polls and creating a playoff system is extremely idealistic and, like I've said, has no chance of happening, but I argue eliminating any type of bias while you still rely 100% on opinions, is just as idealistic and unlikely to happen.

[dew1679666265]

If it isn't ND this, it's Good Ol' Boys that. These are old and overdone arguments.

 

New blood, please.

 

 

How about this: Steve Spurrier, great coach or greatest coach.

 

Discuss.

 

I can't stand Steve Spurrier.

[CuseCubFan69]

A true playoff system eliminates the problem of bias in polls. It eliminates polls altogether. Most true playoff systems that have been proposed have some variation of every conference winner going (sometimes just every current BCS conference winner) and perhaps some wildcard-type teams. I see no way to rig that. No way.

 

As for lesser playoff systems (top 4 playoff, etc), there would still be polls and thus would not clear up the problem of bias. Love it or hate it, so long as there are polls there will be bias built in. The only way to get bias out of the system is to take away opinion.

 

I see no way for the "good ole boys" to rig a true playoff system, though.

 

Let's say the 6 BCS conference winners go. 2 spots left. Not a chance in horse hockey would the BE get one of the 2 remaining spots. That gives the SEC, Big 10 or 12 another team. Last year a 10-2 Rutgers or WV wouldn't have been seriously considered. The last 2 would have been either Michigan, Texas or LSU. Why, they travel. What does travel mean? Big money. GOB's like big money as does any businessman. It's rigged brother, trust me. That's just part of it. Who makes the decisions? It sure isn't anyone from out this way. Where are the bowls? Not here. Yes, they are not in the midwest either but the Big 10 has a heck of a lot of power when it comes to collegian football decisions. Just look at the Rose Bowl and how they won't give that deal up. It's tradition and a heck of a lot of money....and power.

 

All bias aside, if there was a playoff last year LSU likely would've won it. Travel or not, they were deserving.

 

We'll never know. But, the only teams that beat the top 3 BE were in the BE and until they are beat what makes LSU better? LSU was talented yes but that perception is always in their and teams like them favor. It always is...always.

[CuseCubFan69]

A true playoff system eliminates the problem of bias in polls. It eliminates polls altogether. Most true playoff systems that have been proposed have some variation of every conference winner going (sometimes just every current BCS conference winner) and perhaps some wildcard-type teams. I see no way to rig that. No way.

 

As for lesser playoff systems (top 4 playoff, etc), there would still be polls and thus would not clear up the problem of bias. Love it or hate it, so long as there are polls there will be bias built in. The only way to get bias out of the system is to take away opinion.

 

I see no way for the "good ole boys" to rig a true playoff system, though.

 

Let's say the 6 BCS conference winners go. 2 spots left. Not a chance in horse hockey would the BE get one of the 2 remaining spots. That gives the SEC, Big 10 or 12 another team. Last year a 10-2 Rutgers or WV wouldn't have been seriously considered. The last 2 would have been either Michigan, Texas or LSU. Why, they travel. What does travel mean? Big money. GOB's like big money as does any businessman. It's rigged brother, trust me. That's just part of it. Who makes the decisions? It sure isn't anyone from out this way. Where are the bowls? Not here. Yes, they are not in the midwest either but the Big 10 has a heck of a lot of power when it comes to collegian football decisions. Just look at the Rose Bowl and how they won't give that deal up. It's tradition and a heck of a lot of money....and power.

 

I realize the current system is based off of how much profit the college presidents can rack up - that's why there's no chance of a playoff system.

 

But again, if there were a true playoff system, you would not rely on polls. Therefore, you would have teams earning their way into the playoffs, not making it in because some coaches and sportswriters - the vast majority of whom watch a very small number of games - think you're the best.

 

Now I realize eliminating polls and creating a playoff system is extremely idealistic and, like I've said, has no chance of happening, but I argue eliminating any type of bias while you still rely 100% on opinions, is just as idealistic and unlikely to happen.

 

How do you pick the 7th or 8th team? What do you do with a Boise St or Utah and this year maybe Hawaii?

[dew1679666265]

A true playoff system eliminates the problem of bias in polls. It eliminates polls altogether. Most true playoff systems that have been proposed have some variation of every conference winner going (sometimes just every current BCS conference winner) and perhaps some wildcard-type teams. I see no way to rig that. No way.

 

As for lesser playoff systems (top 4 playoff, etc), there would still be polls and thus would not clear up the problem of bias. Love it or hate it, so long as there are polls there will be bias built in. The only way to get bias out of the system is to take away opinion.

 

I see no way for the "good ole boys" to rig a true playoff system, though.

 

Let's say the 6 BCS conference winners go. 2 spots left. Not a chance in horse hockey would the BE get one of the 2 remaining spots. That gives the SEC, Big 10 or 12 another team. Last year a 10-2 Rutgers or WV wouldn't have been seriously considered. The last 2 would have been either Michigan, Texas or LSU. Why, they travel. What does travel mean? Big money. GOB's like big money as does any businessman. It's rigged brother, trust me. That's just part of it. Who makes the decisions? It sure isn't anyone from out this way. Where are the bowls? Not here. Yes, they are not in the midwest either but the Big 10 has a heck of a lot of power when it comes to collegian football decisions. Just look at the Rose Bowl and how they won't give that deal up. It's tradition and a heck of a lot of money....and power.

 

All bias aside, if there was a playoff last year LSU likely would've won it. Travel or not, they were deserving.

 

We'll never know. But, the only teams that beat the top 3 BE were in the BE and until they are beat what makes LSU better? LSU was talented yes but that perception is always in their and teams like them favor. It always is...always.

 

What big time teams did those three top BE teams even play? Also, Florida didn't lose to anybody outside the SEC. What makes them any less deserving? Bias often goes two ways my friend.

[dew1679666265]

A true playoff system eliminates the problem of bias in polls. It eliminates polls altogether. Most true playoff systems that have been proposed have some variation of every conference winner going (sometimes just every current BCS conference winner) and perhaps some wildcard-type teams. I see no way to rig that. No way.

 

As for lesser playoff systems (top 4 playoff, etc), there would still be polls and thus would not clear up the problem of bias. Love it or hate it, so long as there are polls there will be bias built in. The only way to get bias out of the system is to take away opinion.

 

I see no way for the "good ole boys" to rig a true playoff system, though.

 

Let's say the 6 BCS conference winners go. 2 spots left. Not a chance in horse hockey would the BE get one of the 2 remaining spots. That gives the SEC, Big 10 or 12 another team. Last year a 10-2 Rutgers or WV wouldn't have been seriously considered. The last 2 would have been either Michigan, Texas or LSU. Why, they travel. What does travel mean? Big money. GOB's like big money as does any businessman. It's rigged brother, trust me. That's just part of it. Who makes the decisions? It sure isn't anyone from out this way. Where are the bowls? Not here. Yes, they are not in the midwest either but the Big 10 has a heck of a lot of power when it comes to collegian football decisions. Just look at the Rose Bowl and how they won't give that deal up. It's tradition and a heck of a lot of money....and power.

 

I realize the current system is based off of how much profit the college presidents can rack up - that's why there's no chance of a playoff system.

 

But again, if there were a true playoff system, you would not rely on polls. Therefore, you would have teams earning their way into the playoffs, not making it in because some coaches and sportswriters - the vast majority of whom watch a very small number of games - think you're the best.

 

Now I realize eliminating polls and creating a playoff system is extremely idealistic and, like I've said, has no chance of happening, but I argue eliminating any type of bias while you still rely 100% on opinions, is just as idealistic and unlikely to happen.

 

How do you pick the 7th or 8th team? What do you do with a Boise St or Utah and this year maybe Hawaii?

 

A playoff system doesn't have to be eight teams. It could be four, eight, 12, 16, or more. And there are multiple different ideas that have been brought up for choosing teams all the way from a college basketball-esque selection committee to every conference's division winner goes and gets a home game and the second place team in each goes in as a wild card of sorts.

 

Athlon had the best idea I've seen for a playoff system 2 years ago. I'll try to find the magazine because I can't remember exactly how they set it up, but it's definitely doable. Athlon's playoff had 32 teams, but could easily have been cut to 16 and it kept together the current bowls (playoff games were based in current bowl sites).

[CuseCubFan69]

A true playoff system eliminates the problem of bias in polls. It eliminates polls altogether. Most true playoff systems that have been proposed have some variation of every conference winner going (sometimes just every current BCS conference winner) and perhaps some wildcard-type teams. I see no way to rig that. No way.

 

As for lesser playoff systems (top 4 playoff, etc), there would still be polls and thus would not clear up the problem of bias. Love it or hate it, so long as there are polls there will be bias built in. The only way to get bias out of the system is to take away opinion.

 

I see no way for the "good ole boys" to rig a true playoff system, though.

 

Let's say the 6 BCS conference winners go. 2 spots left. Not a chance in horse hockey would the BE get one of the 2 remaining spots. That gives the SEC, Big 10 or 12 another team. Last year a 10-2 Rutgers or WV wouldn't have been seriously considered. The last 2 would have been either Michigan, Texas or LSU. Why, they travel. What does travel mean? Big money. GOB's like big money as does any businessman. It's rigged brother, trust me. That's just part of it. Who makes the decisions? It sure isn't anyone from out this way. Where are the bowls? Not here. Yes, they are not in the midwest either but the Big 10 has a heck of a lot of power when it comes to collegian football decisions. Just look at the Rose Bowl and how they won't give that deal up. It's tradition and a heck of a lot of money....and power.

 

All bias aside, if there was a playoff last year LSU likely would've won it. Travel or not, they were deserving.

 

We'll never know. But, the only teams that beat the top 3 BE were in the BE and until they are beat what makes LSU better? LSU was talented yes but that perception is always in their and teams like them favor. It always is...always.

 

What big time teams did those three top BE teams even play? Also, Florida didn't lose to anybody outside the SEC. What makes them any less deserving? Bias often goes two ways my friend.

 

I totally agree. Who got to play OSU by the way? I'm not saying a BE team was more deserving it's the 1 loss and their gone that bugged me. Michigan had 1 loss and people were throwing a fit that they belonged in the BCS Champ game, I heard no one mention Louisville. Yes the bias goes both ways, against the BE and for the SEC in this case. You look in the past 40 years on how many eastern teams with the same record as a SEC, Big 10 or 12 team and finished #1 ahead of them. I can count them on my closed fist but look how many of those teams finished ahead of a team with a better record (1 loss or less) from the east and you won't have enough fingers or toes.

[Derwood]

Penn State didn't blow through Indiana and Chris Dittoe. That's what cost them the title. Go Hoosiers.

 

you mean the game where PSU's 2nd and 3rd string defense gave up some late scores? yeah, don't make it sound like Indiana was hanging with the Lions all game

[CuseCubFan69]

A true playoff system eliminates the problem of bias in polls. It eliminates polls altogether. Most true playoff systems that have been proposed have some variation of every conference winner going (sometimes just every current BCS conference winner) and perhaps some wildcard-type teams. I see no way to rig that. No way.

 

As for lesser playoff systems (top 4 playoff, etc), there would still be polls and thus would not clear up the problem of bias. Love it or hate it, so long as there are polls there will be bias built in. The only way to get bias out of the system is to take away opinion.

 

I see no way for the "good ole boys" to rig a true playoff system, though.

 

Let's say the 6 BCS conference winners go. 2 spots left. Not a chance in horse hockey would the BE get one of the 2 remaining spots. That gives the SEC, Big 10 or 12 another team. Last year a 10-2 Rutgers or WV wouldn't have been seriously considered. The last 2 would have been either Michigan, Texas or LSU. Why, they travel. What does travel mean? Big money. GOB's like big money as does any businessman. It's rigged brother, trust me. That's just part of it. Who makes the decisions? It sure isn't anyone from out this way. Where are the bowls? Not here. Yes, they are not in the midwest either but the Big 10 has a heck of a lot of power when it comes to collegian football decisions. Just look at the Rose Bowl and how they won't give that deal up. It's tradition and a heck of a lot of money....and power.

 

I realize the current system is based off of how much profit the college presidents can rack up - that's why there's no chance of a playoff system.

 

But again, if there were a true playoff system, you would not rely on polls. Therefore, you would have teams earning their way into the playoffs, not making it in because some coaches and sportswriters - the vast majority of whom watch a very small number of games - think you're the best.

 

Now I realize eliminating polls and creating a playoff system is extremely idealistic and, like I've said, has no chance of happening, but I argue eliminating any type of bias while you still rely 100% on opinions, is just as idealistic and unlikely to happen.

 

How do you pick the 7th or 8th team? What do you do with a Boise St or Utah and this year maybe Hawaii?

 

A playoff system doesn't have to be eight teams. It could be four, eight, 12, 16, or more. And there are multiple different ideas that have been brought up for choosing teams all the way from a college basketball-esque selection committee to every conference's division winner goes and gets a home game and the second place team in each goes in as a wild card of sorts.

 

Athlon had the best idea I've seen for a playoff system 2 years ago. I'll try to find the magazine because I can't remember exactly how they set it up, but it's definitely doable. Athlon's playoff had 32 teams, but could easily have been cut to 16 and it kept together the current bowls (playoff games were based in current bowl sites).

 

I've seen that but I don't remember the exact details. One of the things about college football that I love is the 1 and out type of thing that goes on now. I love that every week matters but the creampuff schedule thing just makes the playoff more appealing. It's all semantics at times when we debate what is a creampuff and what's not as jman and I had earlier. As you wrote, the league winner but that sometimes causes a problem due to playoffs (7-5 team wins Championship) and certain years the Big 10 (due to top teams not playing each other).

[Andy]

A true playoff system eliminates the problem of bias in polls. It eliminates polls altogether. Most true playoff systems that have been proposed have some variation of every conference winner going (sometimes just every current BCS conference winner) and perhaps some wildcard-type teams. I see no way to rig that. No way.

 

As for lesser playoff systems (top 4 playoff, etc), there would still be polls and thus would not clear up the problem of bias. Love it or hate it, so long as there are polls there will be bias built in. The only way to get bias out of the system is to take away opinion.

 

I see no way for the "good ole boys" to rig a true playoff system, though.

 

Let's say the 6 BCS conference winners go. 2 spots left. Not a chance in horse hockey would the BE get one of the 2 remaining spots. That gives the SEC, Big 10 or 12 another team. Last year a 10-2 Rutgers or WV wouldn't have been seriously considered. The last 2 would have been either Michigan, Texas or LSU. Why, they travel.

Or, it could've been that Michigan only had one loss and LSU played an absolutely murderous schedule. I'll give you Texas to some extent, that was mostly poll inertia.

[dew1679666265]

A true playoff system eliminates the problem of bias in polls. It eliminates polls altogether. Most true playoff systems that have been proposed have some variation of every conference winner going (sometimes just every current BCS conference winner) and perhaps some wildcard-type teams. I see no way to rig that. No way.

 

As for lesser playoff systems (top 4 playoff, etc), there would still be polls and thus would not clear up the problem of bias. Love it or hate it, so long as there are polls there will be bias built in. The only way to get bias out of the system is to take away opinion.

 

I see no way for the "good ole boys" to rig a true playoff system, though.

 

Let's say the 6 BCS conference winners go. 2 spots left. Not a chance in horse hockey would the BE get one of the 2 remaining spots. That gives the SEC, Big 10 or 12 another team. Last year a 10-2 Rutgers or WV wouldn't have been seriously considered. The last 2 would have been either Michigan, Texas or LSU. Why, they travel. What does travel mean? Big money. GOB's like big money as does any businessman. It's rigged brother, trust me. That's just part of it. Who makes the decisions? It sure isn't anyone from out this way. Where are the bowls? Not here. Yes, they are not in the midwest either but the Big 10 has a heck of a lot of power when it comes to collegian football decisions. Just look at the Rose Bowl and how they won't give that deal up. It's tradition and a heck of a lot of money....and power.

 

I realize the current system is based off of how much profit the college presidents can rack up - that's why there's no chance of a playoff system.

 

But again, if there were a true playoff system, you would not rely on polls. Therefore, you would have teams earning their way into the playoffs, not making it in because some coaches and sportswriters - the vast majority of whom watch a very small number of games - think you're the best.

 

Now I realize eliminating polls and creating a playoff system is extremely idealistic and, like I've said, has no chance of happening, but I argue eliminating any type of bias while you still rely 100% on opinions, is just as idealistic and unlikely to happen.

 

How do you pick the 7th or 8th team? What do you do with a Boise St or Utah and this year maybe Hawaii?

 

A playoff system doesn't have to be eight teams. It could be four, eight, 12, 16, or more. And there are multiple different ideas that have been brought up for choosing teams all the way from a college basketball-esque selection committee to every conference's division winner goes and gets a home game and the second place team in each goes in as a wild card of sorts.

 

Athlon had the best idea I've seen for a playoff system 2 years ago. I'll try to find the magazine because I can't remember exactly how they set it up, but it's definitely doable. Athlon's playoff had 32 teams, but could easily have been cut to 16 and it kept together the current bowls (playoff games were based in current bowl sites).

 

I've seen that but I don't remember the exact details. One of the things about college football that I love is the 1 and out type of thing that goes on now. I love that every week matters but the creampuff schedule thing just makes the playoff more appealing. It's all semantics at times when we debate what is a creampuff and what's not as jman and I had earlier. As you wrote, the league winner but that sometimes causes a problem due to playoffs (7-5 team wins Championship) and certain years the Big 10 (due to top teams not playing each other).

 

Just like in any playoff system, mediocre teams will make it sometimes. They'll just also get trashed early if they really are mediocre though. That's the way every playoff is, some great teams get bumped early and some mediocre teams going further than they should. At least they get a fair shot, though, which doesn't happen a lot of the time in the current system.

[dew1679666265]

A true playoff system eliminates the problem of bias in polls. It eliminates polls altogether. Most true playoff systems that have been proposed have some variation of every conference winner going (sometimes just every current BCS conference winner) and perhaps some wildcard-type teams. I see no way to rig that. No way.

 

As for lesser playoff systems (top 4 playoff, etc), there would still be polls and thus would not clear up the problem of bias. Love it or hate it, so long as there are polls there will be bias built in. The only way to get bias out of the system is to take away opinion.

 

I see no way for the "good ole boys" to rig a true playoff system, though.

 

Let's say the 6 BCS conference winners go. 2 spots left. Not a chance in horse hockey would the BE get one of the 2 remaining spots. That gives the SEC, Big 10 or 12 another team. Last year a 10-2 Rutgers or WV wouldn't have been seriously considered. The last 2 would have been either Michigan, Texas or LSU. Why, they travel. What does travel mean? Big money. GOB's like big money as does any businessman. It's rigged brother, trust me. That's just part of it. Who makes the decisions? It sure isn't anyone from out this way. Where are the bowls? Not here. Yes, they are not in the midwest either but the Big 10 has a heck of a lot of power when it comes to collegian football decisions. Just look at the Rose Bowl and how they won't give that deal up. It's tradition and a heck of a lot of money....and power.

 

All bias aside, if there was a playoff last year LSU likely would've won it. Travel or not, they were deserving.

 

We'll never know. But, the only teams that beat the top 3 BE were in the BE and until they are beat what makes LSU better? LSU was talented yes but that perception is always in their and teams like them favor. It always is...always.

 

What big time teams did those three top BE teams even play? Also, Florida didn't lose to anybody outside the SEC. What makes them any less deserving? Bias often goes two ways my friend.

 

You look in the past 40 years on how many eastern teams with the same record as a SEC, Big 10 or 12 team and finished #1 ahead of them. I can count them on my closed fist but look how many of those teams finished ahead of a team with a better record (1 loss or less) from the east and you won't have enough fingers or toes.

 

Ok, I didn't go back 40 years, but I did go back to 2002. I took Big East and Pac-10 teams (since you've said they're the ones that get screwed the most) that finished in the top 10 right above a "good ole boy team." Here are the results (as per final AP poll):

 

2002 - USC 10-2 rank: 5 K St 10-2 rank : 6

Washington St 9-2 rank: 7 Oklahoma 10-2 rank: 8

 

2003 - USC 10-1 rank: 2 LSU 11-1 rank: 3

 

2004 - USC 12-0 rank: 1 Auburn 12-0 rank: 3

Cal 10-1 rank: 4 Texas 10-1 rank: 6

 

2005 - USC 12-1 rank: 2 Penn State 11-1 rank: 3

 

2006 - Louisville 11-1 rank: 5 Wisconsin 11-1 rank: 6

USC 10-2 rank: 8 Auburn 10-2 rank: 10

 

I'm sensing a pattern here, looking back over the old rankings. It's not so much a southern/midwestern bias, so much as a particular team bias. Michigan, Texas, Miami, Oklahoma, USC, Florida and Ohio State were all mainstays every year in the top 10. That includes 2 midwestern teams, 2 southern teams, 2 southwestern teams and one pacific coast team.