Juan out for season

[reggiemiller rules]

If any of you didnt see it one took a foul ball to the face last night while in the on deck circle. He has fractured bones around the eye and is out for the rest of the season, and his career could be in danger if there is any long term damage.

[SouthSideRyan]

Encarnacion right?

[Keener98]

just means more playing time for Babe Ankiel, great.

[SouthSideRyan]

That was really scary looking.

[CubColtPacer]

I hope Encarnacion recovers well and quickly. That's a scary injury, and I sincerely hope there's no permanent damage.

[Banedon]

Ouchie!!! Seriously the article doesn't make it sound good.

[seanimal]

When I was out last night they kept showing the replay over and over. Brutal. I really feel bad for the guy and hopefully he can come back and play, but situations like this don't usually lend themselves to a guy just picking up where he left off.

[jaydee]

im sure the cards will find some guy to hit .400 for the rest of the year in his place

[seanimal]

im sure the cards will find some guy to hit .400 for the rest of the year in his place

 

I'm actually pretty sure they won't. What could and should happen is Ankiel will get more playing time and hopefully get exposed for the free-swinger that he is.

 

What's with all these posts that say "i'm sure something absurd will happen because it's the cardinals and they have awesome luck". It's pretty lame and tired at this point. Throughout the years the Cardinals have had good teams with good players. Attempting to explain away their success by citing luck is as silly as attempting to explain away the Cubs lack of success by citing bad luck. Luck has very, very little to do with anything.

[illiniguy]

im sure the cards will find some guy to hit .400 for the rest of the year in his place

 

I'm actually pretty sure they won't. What could and should happen is Ankiel will get more playing time and hopefully get exposed for the free-swinger that he is.

 

What's with all these posts that say "i'm sure something absurd will happen because it's the cardinals and they have awesome luck". It's pretty lame and tired at this point. Throughout the years the Cardinals have had good teams with good players. Attempting to explain away their success by citing luck is as silly as attempting to explain away the Cubs lack of success by citing bad luck. Luck has very, very little to do with anything.

That maybe. But admit that Womack is luck.

[seanimal]

im sure the cards will find some guy to hit .400 for the rest of the year in his place

 

I'm actually pretty sure they won't. What could and should happen is Ankiel will get more playing time and hopefully get exposed for the free-swinger that he is.

 

What's with all these posts that say "i'm sure something absurd will happen because it's the cardinals and they have awesome luck". It's pretty lame and tired at this point. Throughout the years the Cardinals have had good teams with good players. Attempting to explain away their success by citing luck is as silly as attempting to explain away the Cubs lack of success by citing bad luck. Luck has very, very little to do with anything.

That maybe. But admit that Womack is luck.

 

Nay! What is usually perceived as luck is Tony LaRussa's ability to strategize and provide his players with the best chance for success. It's not like Womack did anything extraordinary in his time there. Played above his head at times? Sure. Happens with a lot of sub-par players. Lucky? Doubt it.

[illiniguy]

im sure the cards will find some guy to hit .400 for the rest of the year in his place

 

I'm actually pretty sure they won't. What could and should happen is Ankiel will get more playing time and hopefully get exposed for the free-swinger that he is.

 

What's with all these posts that say "i'm sure something absurd will happen because it's the cardinals and they have awesome luck". It's pretty lame and tired at this point. Throughout the years the Cardinals have had good teams with good players. Attempting to explain away their success by citing luck is as silly as attempting to explain away the Cubs lack of success by citing bad luck. Luck has very, very little to do with anything.

That maybe. But admit that Womack is luck.

 

Nay! What is usually perceived as luck is Tony LaRussa's ability to strategize and provide his players with the best chance for success. It's not like Womack did anything extraordinary in his time there. Played above his head at times? Sure. Happens with a lot of sub-par players. Lucky? Doubt it.

Nah, I think Womack was way, way above his career bests in his one year there. Then the next year went right back to being terrible at baseball.

[Fred Hornkohl]

im sure the cards will find some guy to hit .400 for the rest of the year in his place

 

I'm actually pretty sure they won't. What could and should happen is Ankiel will get more playing time and hopefully get exposed for the free-swinger that he is.

 

What's with all these posts that say "i'm sure something absurd will happen because it's the cardinals and they have awesome luck". It's pretty lame and tired at this point. Throughout the years the Cardinals have had good teams with good players. Attempting to explain away their success by citing luck is as silly as attempting to explain away the Cubs lack of success by citing bad luck. Luck has very, very little to do with anything.

That maybe. But admit that Womack is luck.

 

Nay! What is usually perceived as luck is Tony LaRussa's ability to strategize and provide his players with the best chance for success. It's not like Womack did anything extraordinary in his time there. Played above his head at times? Sure. Happens with a lot of sub-par players. Lucky? Doubt it.

Nah, I think Womack was way, way above his career bests in his one year there. Then the next year went right back to being terrible at baseball.

 

This is the definition of luck, no??

[seanimal]

im sure the cards will find some guy to hit .400 for the rest of the year in his place

 

I'm actually pretty sure they won't. What could and should happen is Ankiel will get more playing time and hopefully get exposed for the free-swinger that he is.

 

What's with all these posts that say "i'm sure something absurd will happen because it's the cardinals and they have awesome luck". It's pretty lame and tired at this point. Throughout the years the Cardinals have had good teams with good players. Attempting to explain away their success by citing luck is as silly as attempting to explain away the Cubs lack of success by citing bad luck. Luck has very, very little to do with anything.

That maybe. But admit that Womack is luck.

 

Nay! What is usually perceived as luck is Tony LaRussa's ability to strategize and provide his players with the best chance for success. It's not like Womack did anything extraordinary in his time there. Played above his head at times? Sure. Happens with a lot of sub-par players. Lucky? Doubt it.

Nah, I think Womack was way, way above his career bests in his one year there. Then the next year went right back to being terrible at baseball.

 

This is the definition of luck, no??

 

... or performance enhancing drugs. Just sayin'.

[TruffleShuffle]

I was very high on him and Gabe Kapler. Whoops and whoops. That being said, Juan ended up being a decent big league player and I hope he has a full recovery, just not for the Cardinals this year.

[illiniguy]

im sure the cards will find some guy to hit .400 for the rest of the year in his place

 

I'm actually pretty sure they won't. What could and should happen is Ankiel will get more playing time and hopefully get exposed for the free-swinger that he is.

 

What's with all these posts that say "i'm sure something absurd will happen because it's the cardinals and they have awesome luck". It's pretty lame and tired at this point. Throughout the years the Cardinals have had good teams with good players. Attempting to explain away their success by citing luck is as silly as attempting to explain away the Cubs lack of success by citing bad luck. Luck has very, very little to do with anything.

That maybe. But admit that Womack is luck.

 

Nay! What is usually perceived as luck is Tony LaRussa's ability to strategize and provide his players with the best chance for success. It's not like Womack did anything extraordinary in his time there. Played above his head at times? Sure. Happens with a lot of sub-par players. Lucky? Doubt it.

Nah, I think Womack was way, way above his career bests in his one year there. Then the next year went right back to being terrible at baseball.

 

This is the definition of luck, no??

 

... or performance enhancing drugs. Just sayin'.

No way I refuse to believe that was going on in a Tony Larusa clubhouse with Mark McGwire and Albert Pujols there. Nope.

[reggiemiller rules]

I love how people on this board just blindly accuse Pujols and Fielder of doing performance enhancing drugs just cause they are good and play on teams within the division.

[Cubfan_N_nebraska]

Gosh this a shame, I hate to see a player hurt like this. Injuries are one thing but a freak accident like this is just a shame. Who cares how this effects the Cardinals. This is unfortunate for Mr. Encarnacion an injury that not only sidelines him the rest of the year but possible his career.

[jaydee]

I love how people on this board just blindly accuse Pujols and Fielder of doing performance enhancing drugs just cause they are good and play on teams within the division.

i think its half joking, but both definitely are large bodied hitters, and if its okay to accuse Sosa with no evidence why not return the favor

[reggiemiller rules]

I love how people on this board just blindly accuse Pujols and Fielder of doing performance enhancing drugs just cause they are good and play on teams within the division.

i think its half joking, but both definitely are large bodied hitters, and if its okay to accuse Sosa with no evidence why not return the favor

 

I think there is a pretty big difference in these 2 then Sosa. These guys are both the same size now as when they came in the league, and there has been no large jump in power numbers. Sosa got much larger as his career went on then came back much smaller after a year off. He also had a huge power spike. That is not to say that Sosa did steroids, cause there has never really been anyone come out and say that he did. But all those things raise more eyebrows then anything Pujols or Fielder.

[illiniguy]

I love how people on this board just blindly accuse Pujols and Fielder of doing performance enhancing drugs just cause they are good and play on teams within the division.

i think its half joking, but both definitely are large bodied hitters, and if its okay to accuse Sosa with no evidence why not return the favor

 

I think there is a pretty big difference in these 2 then Sosa. These guys are both the same size now as when they came in the league, and there has been no large jump in power numbers. Sosa got much larger as his career went on then came back much smaller after a year off. He also had a huge power spike. That is not to say that Sosa did steroids, cause there has never really been anyone come out and say that he did. But all those things raise more eyebrows then anything Pujols or Fielder.

I have neevr once accused Fielder of being on the juice. Not once. Sorry if it offends you to think that a kid McGwire took under his wing would possibly have taken steroids.

[seanimal]

I love how people on this board just blindly accuse Pujols and Fielder of doing performance enhancing drugs just cause they are good and play on teams within the division.

i think its half joking, but both definitely are large bodied hitters, and if its okay to accuse Sosa with no evidence why not return the favor

 

Really. No evidence? None whatsoever. Ok.

 

In 1997, over the course of 642 at-bats, he hit 36 HR's.

In 1998, over the course of 643 at-bats, he hit 66 HR's.

 

So, in one year, Sammy Sosa increased his HR total by 83%. This is not natural.

 

I'm a Sosa homer as much as the next guy but, face the facts.

[illiniguy]

I love how people on this board just blindly accuse Pujols and Fielder of doing performance enhancing drugs just cause they are good and play on teams within the division.

i think its half joking, but both definitely are large bodied hitters, and if its okay to accuse Sosa with no evidence why not return the favor

 

Really. No evidence? None whatsoever. Ok.

 

In 1997, over the course of 642 at-bats, he hit 36 HR's.

In 1998, over the course of 643 at-bats, he hit 66 HR's.

 

So, in one year, Sammy Sosa increased his HR total by 83%. This is not natural.

 

I'm a Sosa homer as much as the next guy but, face the facts.

What were his obps for those two seasons? Could the fact he swang at less garbage have added to the jump?

[SouthSideRyan]

I love how people on this board just blindly accuse Pujols and Fielder of doing performance enhancing drugs just cause they are good and play on teams within the division.

i think its half joking, but both definitely are large bodied hitters, and if its okay to accuse Sosa with no evidence why not return the favor

 

Really. No evidence? None whatsoever. Ok.

 

In 1997, over the course of 642 at-bats, he hit 36 HR's.

In 1998, over the course of 643 at-bats, he hit 66 HR's.

 

So, in one year, Sammy Sosa increased his HR total by 83%. This is not natural.

 

I'm a Sosa homer as much as the next guy but, face the facts.

 

People who also did steroids:

 

Roger Maris(39 to 61)

Babe Ruth(29 to 54)

Lou Gehrig(16 to 47!!!)

 

I can't think of many worse ways to determine steroid use than looking at the increase in HRs from one single season to the next.

[seanimal]

I love how people on this board just blindly accuse Pujols and Fielder of doing performance enhancing drugs just cause they are good and play on teams within the division.

i think its half joking, but both definitely are large bodied hitters, and if its okay to accuse Sosa with no evidence why not return the favor

 

Really. No evidence? None whatsoever. Ok.

 

In 1997, over the course of 642 at-bats, he hit 36 HR's.

In 1998, over the course of 643 at-bats, he hit 66 HR's.

 

So, in one year, Sammy Sosa increased his HR total by 83%. This is not natural.

 

I'm a Sosa homer as much as the next guy but, face the facts.

 

People who also did steroids:

 

Roger Maris(39 to 61)

Babe Ruth(29 to 54)

Lou Gehrig(16 to 47!!!)

 

I can't think of many worse ways to determine steroid use than looking at the increase in HRs from one single season to the next.

 

It's not just one single season. Sammy went from being a mid-30's in homerun range for his career to hitting 50+ for four years, three of those being 60+.

 

Roger Maris had one year where he was out of the norm.

Babe Ruth is Babe Ruth.

Lou Gehrig was sort of all over the place as far as homerun totals go.

 

None of these comparisons are valid. Explain away all you want. The dude was on something.

 

The sad part is that people somehow equate the usage of performance enhancers with vaguely taking away from accomplishments. This is not the case. Like I said, I enjoy Sosa, but to hear/see/speak no evil is incredibly foolish. It is what it is, nothing more, nothing less.