Bonds Hits 755 in 2nd Inning

[erik316wttn]

Those of you saying that pitchers are better today are forgetting it works both ways.

 

Yes, pitchers could see film of hitters and have access to better medical care and better conditioning programs, etc, but that would be true for hitters, too. They would have film of opposing pitchers, etc. It's not like one side has a huge advantage over the other one.

 

All things considered, Ruth would still be a superstar today.

 

Ruth would see one 95mph split-finger and drink himself into oblivion.

 

Ruth would see the bandboxes we play in today (and the launching pad that is Coors Field) and faint from giddyness.

[imb]

Those of you saying that pitchers are better today are forgetting it works both ways.

 

Yes, pitchers could see film of hitters and have access to better medical care and better conditioning programs, etc, but that would be true for hitters, too. They would have film of opposing pitchers, etc. It's not like one side has a huge advantage over the other one.

 

All things considered, Ruth would still be a superstar today.

 

Ruth would see one 95mph split-finger and drink himself into oblivion.

 

Ruth would see the bandboxes we play in today (and the launching pad that is Coors Field) and faint from giddyness.

 

Too bad he wouldn't be able to make contact with any of the pitches. I'm sure he'd be great in BP, though.

[Derwood]

 

the best result of any at-bat in any situation is a HR

 

Cobb got a hit 36% of the times he stepped to the plate during his career. Even the best home run hitters of all time only get a home run in 1 of every 11-12 AB's.

 

If he didn't have a home run stroke to begin with, how can you fault a guy for not trying to hit home runs when he's able to get a hit so frequently. I wish the Cubs had a guy who could hit .370 and steal 60 bases.

 

but if he COULD hit HR's and chose not to, that's bad baseball

 

That's why Dave Kingman was the smartest player that ever lived, right? He knew he could hit HR's and the best result of any at bat is a HR so he just swung for the fences every time up.

 

nice try. I'm arguing that the notion that Cobb had home run ability yet chose not to is bad baseball. i never said that swinging for the fences was good baseball. that said, a HR is always the best outcome of an at-bat, and purposely trying not to hit one is bad

[OleMissCub]

Too bad he wouldn't be able to make contact with any of the pitches. I'm sure he'd be great in BP, though.

 

So when does your respect for older players start? 1980 forward?

 

Was Willie Mays also worthless in your eyes? Dimaggio? Ernie Banks?

[imb]

Too bad he wouldn't be able to make contact with any of the pitches. I'm sure he'd be great in BP, though.

 

So when does your respect for older players start? 1980 forward?

 

Was Willie Mays also worthless in your eyes? Dimaggio? Ernie Banks?

 

Those guys were great, just like Ruth, in their era.

[OleMissCub]

Too bad he wouldn't be able to make contact with any of the pitches. I'm sure he'd be great in BP, though.

 

So when does your respect for older players start? 1980 forward?

 

Was Willie Mays also worthless in your eyes? Dimaggio? Ernie Banks?

 

Those guys were great, just like Ruth, in their era.

 

But you act like, as athletes, they wouldn't have been able to have improved their game to match the modern game. If Ruth had the ability to wear body armor, not fear inside pitches, have video previews of a pitcher's pitches, have mechanics instructors to work on his swing, supplements to improve his overall health...I'm sure he wouldn't have been too overmatched by a 95mph splitter like you say. Ruth was by all accounts a born and gifted athlete. They said he would often go into a gym and destroy everyone else at basketball, even though he had never practiced or played it much in his life.

[Derwood]

Too bad he wouldn't be able to make contact with any of the pitches. I'm sure he'd be great in BP, though.

 

So when does your respect for older players start? 1980 forward?

 

Was Willie Mays also worthless in your eyes? Dimaggio? Ernie Banks?

 

Those guys were great, just like Ruth, in their era.

 

But you act like, as athletes, they wouldn't have been able to have improved their game to match the modern game. If Ruth had the ability to wear body armor, not fear inside pitches, have video previews of a pitcher's pitches, have mechanics instructors to work on his swing, supplements to improve his overall health...I'm sure he wouldn't have been too overmatched by a 95mph splitter like you say. Ruth was by all accounts a born and gifted athlete. They said he would often go into a gym and destroy everyone else at basketball, even though he had never practiced or played it much in his life.

 

do you believe that if Hank Aaron had played from 1984-2007 (rather than 1956-1979) he still would have hit 755 HR's?

[OleMissCub]

 

do you believe that if Hank Aaron had played from 1984-2007 (rather than 1956-1979) he still would have hit 755 HR's?

 

Yes. It was harder to hit a home run in his day than it is now.

[Derwood]

 

do you believe that if Hank Aaron had played from 1984-2007 (rather than 1956-1979) he still would have hit 755 HR's?

 

Yes. It was harder to hit a home run in his day than it is now.

 

well, you're probably right, as Aaron would probably have been juicing along with everyone else had he played in the 90's

[OleMissCub]

 

do you believe that if Hank Aaron had played from 1984-2007 (rather than 1956-1979) he still would have hit 755 HR's?

 

Yes. It was harder to hit a home run in his day than it is now.

 

well, you're probably right, as Aaron would probably have been juicing along with everyone else had he played in the 90's

 

Some people don't need the juice to be blessed with great hitting eyes or wonderful swings.

[Derwood]

 

do you believe that if Hank Aaron had played from 1984-2007 (rather than 1956-1979) he still would have hit 755 HR's?

 

Yes. It was harder to hit a home run in his day than it is now.

 

well, you're probably right, as Aaron would probably have been juicing along with everyone else had he played in the 90's

 

Some people don't need the juice to be blessed with great hitting eyes or wonderful swings.

 

like Barry Bonds?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If you watch clips of Aaron, his swing is loooong. Sure he might've been able to shorten up and still hit a ton of home runs in this era, but I think that's far from assumed.

[OleMissCub]

If you watch clips of Aaron, his swing is loooong. Sure he might've been able to shorten up and still hit a ton of home runs in this era, but I think that's far from assumed.

 

He's famous for having some of the quickest wrists in the history of the game. I think he would have been fine.

[OleMissCub]

Some people don't need the juice to be blessed with great hitting eyes or wonderful swings.

 

like Barry Bonds?

 

Yes, like Bonds. The difference is that Aaron managed to have authentic longevity and health. Bonds longevity is artificial.

[Derwood]

If you watch clips of Aaron, his swing is loooong. Sure he might've been able to shorten up and still hit a ton of home runs in this era, but I think that's far from assumed.

 

He's famous for having some of the quickest wrists in the history of the game. I think he would have been fine.

 

i still think he would have juiced. it's awfully easy for him to sit on his high horse about Bonds when he never had the temptation to begin with

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If you watch clips of Aaron, his swing is loooong. Sure he might've been able to shorten up and still hit a ton of home runs in this era, but I think that's far from assumed.

 

He's famous for having some of the quickest wrists in the history of the game. I think he would have been fine.

 

He could have pneumatic-powered wrists, but if he wasn't more direct to the ball there's no way he's catching up to the fastballs of this era.

[imb]

i want robot wrists like luke skywalker

[OleMissCub]

If you watch clips of Aaron, his swing is loooong. Sure he might've been able to shorten up and still hit a ton of home runs in this era, but I think that's far from assumed.

 

He's famous for having some of the quickest wrists in the history of the game. I think he would have been fine.

 

He could have pneumatic-powered wrists, but if he wasn't more direct to the ball there's no way he's catching up to the fastballs of this era.

 

He faced Koufax, Fergie Jenkins, Tom Seaver, Bob Gibson, etc.

 

You act like he was facing highschoolers. This was only 40 years ago.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If you watch clips of Aaron, his swing is loooong. Sure he might've been able to shorten up and still hit a ton of home runs in this era, but I think that's far from assumed.

 

He's famous for having some of the quickest wrists in the history of the game. I think he would have been fine.

 

He could have pneumatic-powered wrists, but if he wasn't more direct to the ball there's no way he's catching up to the fastballs of this era.

 

He faced Koufax, Fergie Jenkins, Tom Seaver, Bob Gibson, etc.

 

You act like he was facing highschoolers. This was only 40 years ago.

 

It's the depth of the pitching. 40 years is quite a long time.

[OleMissCub]

 

It's the depth of the pitching. 40 years is quite a long time.

 

It's all relative. Aaron didn't have some advantages that Bonds has today and vice versa.

[CubbieSouthpaw]

 

It's the depth of the pitching. 40 years is quite a long time.

 

It's all relative. Aaron didn't have some advantages that Bonds has today and vice versa.

 

Either way, Bonds should be vetoed from baseball.

Aaron is still my Home Run king (and should be everyone else's) until someone NOT juiced up pounds more homers.

 

Make that chicken Sh*t Bonds take that big a** pad off his elbow and let him step into a pitch. The worthless jerk would be bailing out on every pitch.

 

He's a loser and a disgrace to baseball at all levels.

[OleMissCub]

Make that chicken Sh*t Bonds take that big a** pad off his elbow and let him step into a pitch. The worthless jerk would be bailing out on every pitch.

 

He's a loser and a disgrace to baseball at all levels.

 

Joe Torre has basically said as much. He says that one of the most unfair advantages that Bonds has is that one of the essential elements of batting (fear of being drilled) is taken out of the equation, because not only does he wear all the armor, but in today's game pitchers are discouraged from pitching inside, much less hitting players.

[Derwood]

Make that chicken Sh*t Bonds take that big a** pad off his elbow and let him step into a pitch. The worthless jerk would be bailing out on every pitch.

 

He's a loser and a disgrace to baseball at all levels.

 

Joe Torre has basically said as much. He says that one of the most unfair advantages that Bonds has is that one of the essential elements of batting (fear of being drilled) is taken out of the equation, because not only does he wear all the armor, but in today's game pitchers are discouraged from pitching inside, much less hitting players.

 

that body armor has helped him get a whopping TWO hit-by-pitch this year, 10 in 2006, and ZERO in 2005

[soccer10k]

If you watch clips of Aaron, his swing is loooong. Sure he might've been able to shorten up and still hit a ton of home runs in this era, but I think that's far from assumed.

 

He's famous for having some of the quickest wrists in the history of the game. I think he would have been fine.

 

He could have pneumatic-powered wrists, but if he wasn't more direct to the ball there's no way he's catching up to the fastballs of this era.

 

He faced Koufax, Fergie Jenkins, Tom Seaver, Bob Gibson, etc.

 

You act like he was facing highschoolers. This was only 40 years ago.

 

It's the depth of the pitching. 40 years is quite a long time.

 

I'm sure they didn't have starters like Glendon Rusch and Kip Wells back when Aaron played. While the elite players may be better now than they were back then, there were also fewer players. The talent pool is much more diluted now than it used to be with so many teams.

[OleMissCub]

Make that chicken Sh*t Bonds take that big a** pad off his elbow and let him step into a pitch. The worthless jerk would be bailing out on every pitch.

 

He's a loser and a disgrace to baseball at all levels.

 

Joe Torre has basically said as much. He says that one of the most unfair advantages that Bonds has is that one of the essential elements of batting (fear of being drilled) is taken out of the equation, because not only does he wear all the armor, but in today's game pitchers are discouraged from pitching inside, much less hitting players.

 

that body armor has helped him get a whopping TWO hit-by-pitch this year, 10 in 2006, and ZERO in 2005

 

It's not about actually getting hit so much as the psychological edge it gives you to be able to stand there and treat an AB like batting practice. Whereas Aaron played with the constant and very real fear of getting smashed in the face with a baseball.